mistake.

He learned from the best (Kevin) how to deal with "confucies"


...and when he drops the bomb on your stupid head,
I want you think about and look at yourself in the mirror.
Make a pic of this moment for Oprano.

Gonzo, good job, mano!
;-)

If I lived in a glass house I would not be pissing Gonzo off.

Hooper send him a few dozen KrispyKreme donuts and maybe he will call the dawgs off!!

some fat hairy nut convinced he runs a cartel is worrying me?

our business is crumbling as we speak. it's terrible.

Why would you be worried?

I thought the sarcasm was evident.

Me too.

<_<

I'm sure oprano radio will be large and in charge like never before over this.

*edit. i'm going to watch big fish. hope it's as good as the reviews say. dont quite understand where all the recent hostility from the oprano crew came from.. you know where to find me :P



Last edited by Hooper at Apr 28 2004, 11:39 PM

Hostility?

Not from me.

I am a big fan of yours Hoop. I have told you this face to face.

The spyware stuff is a big concern for me. It effect my business. Not only my adult business, but also my non-adult ones. There is a lot of issues that many people overlook. My posistions on these issues have always been clear.

Hooper, the hostility directed towards you from webmasters who have had your stupid shit installed on their machines is just a small portion of the hostility your surfers, the ftc and a number of other people who you can't continue to laugh off are feeling towards you.

Imagine, if you piss of people this much who DO know how to remove your shit from their machines, the surfers must really LOVE your product!! Because aren't you providing them with a helpful *service* by redirecting their searches to your sites?!

Oh and Oprano Radio won't be talking about you *much* - we will simply be using you as an example of 1 of the companies that pushes self installing products - after all, you are the only one who brags about it! And being that you'd prefer to be on DOKK'S show, I suggest you go do just that - we've got enough 'guests' who have something to say on the subject ...

... & Gonzo & I are still actually in business :okthumb:

Good luck on Dokk's show!!

well now i missed the start of big fish and i'm gonna have to wait til another day.

i would suggest that oprano radio have it's ducks in order when it decides:

1 - what to call our products (e.g. "spyware")
2 - what to call us an example of (e.g. "scumbags")
3 - what you claim our products do (e.g. "redirects searches")

unfortunately cj, you, your fuzzy nut boyfriend, and whatever comical roster you have planned are are part of the growing crowd of novice computer users who cant tell a feature laden toolbar from an ad delivery mechanism or a damaging virus. If you can, you must be doing everything you can to mask your intelligence.

Hoops, you are threatening to sue me if I speak the truth?! wow, you must be really scared of what we are going to say!!

Your lawyers have more important things to worry about sweet cheeks, I'd be saving their time for defending your 'feature laden toolbar' in court :okthumb:

I am stunned - I thought you were smarter than this ... but no, you are just another greedy clown who blames the dodgy elements of your product on 'idiot surfers'.

You seriously can't be calling me a computer idiot ... because if I am one, what category do my parents (and all of the rest of your customers) fall into? my parents have been using a computer for 2 years, don't want the 'feature laden toolbar' on their machines, and yet IT ENDED UP THERE. Its THEIR computer, not yours ... if they want a toolbar (why would they!??!?!), i'd find them one that is much better than the crap you offer.

Go on hooper ... insult my parents too ... they are only your potential customer base after all ... WHAT THE FUCK WOULD THEY KNOW HUH?

i didnt threaten to sue anybody... i suggested you keep your facts straight rather than making up things that sound good because they are popular buzz words.

let somebody else ride the high horse cj. we all know where you've been.

no you don't hooper, you just think you do :rolleyes:

but by all means ... use what you think you know to try to avoid the truth about your own business ... I've been slammed by people whose skidmarks are more important to me than you - and i'm still here.

we all have periods in our life we aren't proud of, maybe you'll look back at this as one of yours ... or maybe you'll continue down the same road and end up a 30 year old divorcee whose wife won't let you see your children with debts piled up around your ears and a black mark against your name with the ftc ............. all because you got greedy.

and like you said yourself ... i'd know :awinky:

Hooper,

Please dont take this as an attack because that is not the spirit in which I intend this. But I have a couple of serious questions for you...

1) What exactly does the toolbar product do?

And dont insult our intelligence here please. I'm not talking about the feature set the users see. It's a free product, so what's in it for you?

2) Where's the line at for you personally?

Seriously, I'm curious. I know easy money is like a drug. Everyone in this industry has compromised western society's typical view of principles by selling porn. Why do we do it? It's an easy way to make money.

The "line" is different from almost all of us though. I know several people in this industry who do not even deal with hardcore. For others they draw the line at spam. The majority wont touch kiddy porn, but I wonder how that would change if it were legal and selling like crazy.

Where's the line at for you? Now I'm not talking about what's legal, or what you can get away with. Let's assume there were no boundaries other than your own sense of right and wrong. How far would you go? How much money is enough? Lets say you could automatically drop a piece of code on a surfer's computer and have them click OK to some T&C's you know they'd never read. Upon clicking "OK" you could draw $5 a day off his credit card til he figured out how to jump thru your hoops to make it stop, would you do it?

From the no spin zone

My guess from the outside looking in is that the porn business isn't making the $ it did and things are being done to supplement that income (or perhaps to increase overall earnings)

So a "Spyware"/"Scumware" product is being promoted is an interesting/questionable fashion with potential to be damaging with regards to potential surfer spending or at least the surfers overall internet experience

So Hooper can you tell us exactly what this new toolbar does and how it is installed?

Is it an automatic download, installed in a forced/no choice fashion?

If so why did you choose this approach and did you know they may be a backlash from this procedure?

Does the toolbar provide an easy way to uninstall?

How much of what is being said on GFY is true?

Are you losing any appreciable business from webmasters claiming to be removing links to the programs you are associated with?

Here's an opportunity for you to tell your side of the story Hooper

BTW Hopper, did you ever make the move to NYC?


I'll admit when I saw the I-Download program I thought to myself here's a company selling things that some of could be gotten for free, if they can get $ for it, great

Hooper,
have your lawyer check the law suits filed in Utah against spyware distributors. How could you miss CNBC show? It was quite educational
;_)))

Gator has been sued repeatedly. So far they haven't been willing to test the legality of their adware in court and have instead settled each case. And they at least provide a dialog box prior to install...

A cartel?
Oh Hooper you take things way too serious.
Ive repeatedly said I am a Fat Fucking Nobody.

And I know that you gots more of an IT background than I do with 17 years in the biz. Thats why you try to lecture all of us on spam and spyware...symantics and such ya know.

So since Im a dumbassed country boy and you won't answer any questions about what this thing does [its none of your bizness] Ill leave that to them impartial IT experts.

We present facts. What people decide after they've been presented is up to them. Im sure DOKK will love have you on his rebuttal show as CJ said.

But really...Id figure you can come up with some better insults.
I shaved though my man....my nuts aint hairy. It makes it asier for me to jack off to your poster on the wall. Its ok your married I wont tell her.

Tell you what Ill put up a site and all yall have to do is enter your credit card info and you can watch for free. Dont mind that verbage way at the bottom about joining my computer club for 29.95 a month or the note where I send you the CD at an additional $10 per month.

Then you 2 can sit back and have some free entertainment on me.

Remember your the one that asked me to get my facts straight. Im taking your advice!

At least she hasnt been in the Max Cash booth chasing around reps while she was drunk trying to get em some of that "easy pussy".

Let me see if I can find you a pic of my shaved nuts. I was too po to have it lasered off like you did for momma.

At least she hasnt been in the Max Cash booth chasing around reps while she was drunk trying to get em some of that "easy pussy".[/b][/quote]
how do you know :unsure: it sounds vaguely familiar <_<

how do you know :unsure: it sounds vaguely familiar <_<[/b][/quote]
Ask Hooper....

You're too easy gonzo. nuts? wives? whats next? nanny nanny boo boo? or are you gonna go "confucy" on my ass? lol

Hell Puppy & vick, to answer some of your questions, our toolbar is designed primarily to help build the iSearch.com brand and we have millions of active & perfectly happy users. We have letters of thank you telling us how much they like our popup blocker and the results that we provide. The zoom feature is very helpful to people with bad vision (or people with good vision on bad web pages). I encourage friends and family to use it, because it is what it says it is.

The uninstall is easy and automatic. we make money off of it from the dropdown menu that says "Hot Offers" next to the zoom tool and from the searches that are made from the toolbar. We also occasionally inject an advertisement into their web browser, but it is not contextually or behaviorally targeted, which is the sacrifice we make in order to avoid being defined as "spyware" because I believe that spyware will become regulated very soon.

There are more nuances to the toolbar that I wont go into because they really aren't worth discussing, but some of the things we DON'T do include harvesting email addresses, bundling other people's software with our software, changing dns servers, redirecting searches from other sites, highlighting key words, changing link codes, taking affiliate credit away from affiliates, wrapping users media in DRM, and on and on and on. We have chosen to take a VERY high road with our toolbar.

Despite all the whining and complaining we keep hearing, we have managed to do the virtually impossible and turn worthless shit adult traffic into very profitable non-adult traffic.

Am I on a quest to become a "player" in the search and software markets? You bet. Judging from the Alexa charts that Oprano is so fond of, I'd say we're doing just fine. Vick, watching the monkeys on GFY jump around hasn't impacted our business in even the slightest, yesterday was a fantastic day for every program/product I am involved in and today is looking to be even better. Real businessmen and women care most about their bottom line.

Hell Puppy, Gator/Claria is spyware, it tracks your surfing habits and builds behavioral profiles of you and advertises to you based upon your patterns and what sites you are currently surfing. It is also adware. gator/claria has been sued repeatedly by companies who dont like gator's contextual advertising. they have yet to be sued by a user or in any way sanctioned by a governmental body. keep your eye on the ball though (read: http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,...w=wn_story_top5 ). I dont think they or their underwriters really care what anybody *thinks*.

Serge, i was working at 4pm yesterday. if you taped it i'd be interested in seeing it, but my experience is that just like shows on "porn" or shows on "spam" the media likes to sensationalize things to appeal to their audience. jmho.

CJ, we aren't "bragging" about anything, if you think responding to people's rants on boards is bragging then so be it.

Gonzo, if you have 17 years in IT experience you should have had the time to pull your head out of your ass long enough to re-read my explanation of the difference between spyware and adware. Talk to cj about hidden billing and lifetime memberships. If you'd like to bring that up, she knows more about it than almost anybody.

I'm not going to spend my days posting and pissing with you on this subject, i think you're a sad man because you have nothing to do with your day except spam and focus on what other people do for a living.

I'll give you a free business lesson though, if you want to make money, start doing something (anything) rather than just being a loudmouth and whining to people on icq about how you wish you'd done things differently. You're am embarassment to Oprano and your ridiculous little tiffs with "confucy" are 99% of the reason that I and most of the readers will always think you're an idiot.

Hooper gots 2 be Russian a Jew

no, it's me, you mixed it all up....

no, it's me, you mixed it all up....[/b][/quote]
K

I love the line " Feature laden toolbar"


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Tony Soprano is a businessman in waste mangement with an Italian heritage.

:yowsa:

Aww Hooper you sneaky bastard. Youve found out that Im easy. Can you send me another one of your posters? The one you sent me from last week is pretty crusty from me jacking off to it. Have you told your wife yet?
I dont mind.

Do you still have those cool colored glasses you used to wear when you were pitching Conversion cash to them AWE webmasters? Those always made me so HARD. It almost distracted me to become transfixed and not realize that no one could understand a word you were saying. You are a master!

But your right...Serge and Mike I am sorry its true I am an embarrassment to you and Oprano. Can you make my punishment be that Hooper spanks me? We could use his toolbar and wrap it into a DRM locked piece of media that times out and asks for that credit card number right when it gets a real close up!

Nick I needs me some Paxil cuz Im a really sad sad man. Can you send me a link to buy some?

In the meantime Hoop is gonna give me a lesson on spamming vs optin.

Could all of you that are ready to jump up and say what Hooper is doing is right do me a big old favor? Can you wait till I get my lesson from the Master?

If Im real lucky I can be the guy that squeels in his next QuickBuck banner!

You sexy savage I am all yours!! Please can we have a bottle of vino from your vinyard to go with that pan roasted sea bass that you whip up for us afterwards? Ill fold the napkins into cool entertaining shapes while you cook.

yeap, tomorrow is his last day,
I can't stand thsi screamer!

halleluya,
"read my lips, no more screaming hooper"
;-)))

Hmmmmm..... I'm not fully versed in the software

While Hooper chose what to address and not, and did spin some

My superficial opinion (until I learn more) would be if you can walk away with a few mils ........ and control traffic

- I don't see why the ads aren't maximized by behavior, hell you're forcing a download of a bar (which is a topic Hooper avoided) WTF is a little creative ad exposure

and yes the adult industry was killed by um ... interesting practices and saturation

Like I've said the internet has such great potential and we've turned it into a cheap, sometimes amusing flea market
(.... Serge, I know Rome wasn't built in a day ;-) so I'll still hold out some hope for future developments )


Edit - Bottom Line ... if you're fucking (surfers) for $ please have the courtesy to admit it and don't spin in the no spin zone

and that's the way it is according to Vick April 29, 2004 - subject to change he he he



Last edited by Vick at Apr 29 2004, 11:08 AM

This is a pearl.

The internet is going to eventually be worthless.

Just as we in this industry killed the golden goose, the internet will be killed by huckster shim-sham men.

This is a pearl.

The internet is going to eventually be worthless.

Just as we in this industry killed the golden goose, the internet will be killed by huckster shim-sham men.[/b][/quote]
Greed, one of the STRONGEST human emotions
;-))

only to be trumped by...fear.

So hooper, let me get this straight:

Your product does none of the following:

- redirects surfers at any time from any page entered, address typed, or link clicked
- requires / requests / collects email addresses and resells or reuses them in any manner
- tracks, follows, or otherwise maintains a list of pages visited by surfers
- includes any software that would trigger an alert by any major scanning product, such as adaware.
- does not add, remove, or otherwise change items in the hosts file on PC
- does not provide alternate listings, misleading listings, or redirects surfers based on searches or addresses typed
- does not perform webmaster / track code substitution at any time
- does not track user activity
- cannot be installed without permission and full disclosure of ALL software and it's functions?

Think carefully.

Alex

Serge - can I see your greed and fear and raise you a PASSION ;-))


RawAlex - Not sure it matters
If you could walk away with a few mils so what if what you're doing can be seen as sketchy

Everybody has a price and to paraphrase that infamous sage

"We all have the morals we can afford"




Edit - that's a PASSION, without the christ



Last edited by Vick at Apr 29 2004, 11:43 AM

did i say all of those things alex?

if you know the answers then post them. but also be aware that adaware also flags things like cookies from major advertisers. i believe several people are suing adaware (and it appears quite succesfully) for encouraging users to remove software based on false claims. bottom line is that while it may be a useful tool, they are full of poop.


Correct - redirects surfers at any time from any page entered, address typed, or link clicked
Correct - requires / requests / collects email addresses and resells or reuses them in any manner
Correct - tracks, follows, or otherwise maintains a list of pages visited by surfers
This is a moot point. See above. - includes any software that would trigger an alert by any major scanning product, such as adaware.
False 1 - does not add, remove, or otherwise change items in the hosts file on PC
Correct - does not provide alternate listings, misleading listings, or redirects surfers based on searches or addresses typed
Correct - does not perform webmaster / track code substitution at any time
Correct - does not track user activity
False 2 - cannot be installed without permission and full disclosure of ALL software and it's functions.

1 - Our ability to monetize our toolbar and provide accurate estimates to our advertisers relies upon accurate statistics about toolbar installation and removal rates. As well, when users begin downloading tools that remove our software incorrectly, they can/do/have cause(d) damage to their system.

If we find a web site who's sole purpose is to encourage users to remove our toolbar utilizing non-standard methods. We block that web site both in the interest of the surfer getting a full and complete uninstall, as well as for our own ability to maintain accurate statistics. Some people dont like that part, but then again we dont like people interfering with our tracking software either.

2 - No software on the world discloses all functions. From QuickBooks to MS Windows to Norton AntiVirus, all software has additional and undocumented features. If somebody wants to install our software, we let them.

Vick,
passionate traders falling in love with the stocks DIE
;-))

Passion is very hazardous to trader's health
;-))

Hooper, so your software has additional and undocumented features?

Which ones make you money? Which ones change the surfers net experience?

Come on... quit weasling!

Oh yeah, lensmansworld people are truly having fun with this.

Alex

I've answered your questions when you were not in fact in any way "entitled" to those answers. I could just have easily have said "none of your business".

So say "Thanks for answering my questions hooper" and go back to your peta rally.

In my best soup nazi voice... "No more answers for you!"

I really dont care what goes on at that tgp that people call gfy, nobody who matters to me cares what goes on their either.



Last edited by Hooper at Apr 29 2004, 12:08 PM

Vick,
passionate traders falling in love with the stocks DIE
;-))

Passion is very hazardous to trader's health
;-))[/b][/quote]
Yes Passion can be a dangerous emotion
(See Romeo and Juliette)

But sometimes (with the exception of stock trading and extreme sports) for me it's well worth it and a driving factor

Can't image a life without Passion, whether it be for sex, food or any number of things

:)



Edit - Can someone attempt to sum up this entire thread, that will be interesting



Last edited by Vick at Apr 29 2004, 12:14 PM

Vick, as long as you are not RULED by your passions -
you'll do fine
;-)))

I do my best to keep mine under control
;-)))

:okthumb: :okthumb: