"A brief overview of the situation is always valuable, so as a service to all Americans who still don't get it, I now offer you the story of the Middle East in just a few paragraphs, which is all you Really need.

Here we go:

The Palestinians want their own country. There's just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians. It's a made up word. Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years. Like "Wiccan," "Palestinian" sounds ancient but is really a modern invention. Before the Israelis won the land in the 1967 war, Gaza was owned by Egypt, the West Bank was owned by Jordan, and there were no "Palestinians".

As soon as the Jews took over and started growing oranges as big as basketballs, what do you know, say hello to the Palestinians," weeping for their deep bond with their lost "land" and "nation."

So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word "Palestinian" any more to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone points out they're being taped. Instead, let's call them what they are: "Other Arabs Who Can't Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death."

I know that's a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN. How about this, then: "Adjacent Jew-Haters." Okay, so the Adjacent Jew-Haters want their own country. Oops, just one more thing. No, they don't. They could've had their own country any time in the last thirty years, especially two years ago at Camp David. But if you have your own country, you have to have traffic lights and garbage trucks and Chambers of Commerce, and, worse, you actually have to figure out some way to make a living.

That's no fun. No, they want what all the other Jew-Haters in the region want: Israel. They also want a big pile of dead Jews, of course --that's where the real fun is -- but mostly they want Israel.

Why? For one thing, trying to destroy Israel - or "The Zionist Entity" as their textbooks call it -- for the last fifty years has allowed the rulers of Arab countries to divert the attention of their own people away from the fact that they're the blue-ribbon most illiterate, poorest, and tribally backward on God's Earth, and if you've ever been around God's Earth, you know that's really saying something.

It makes me roll my eyes every time one of our pundits waxes poetic about the great history and culture of the Muslim Mideast. Unless I'm missing something, the Arabs haven't given anything to the world since Algebra, and, by the way, thanks a hell of a lot for that one.

Chew this around and spit it out: Five hundred million Arabs; five Million Jews. Think of all the Arab countries as a football field, and Israel as a pack of matches sitting in the middle of it. And now these same folks swear that if Israel gives them half of that pack of matches, Everyone will be pals..

Really? Wow, what neat news. Hey, but what about the string of wars to obliterate the tiny country and the constant din of rabid blood oaths to drive every Jew into the sea? Oh, that? We were just kidding.

My friend Kevin Rooney made a gorgeous point the other day: Just reverse the Numbers. Imagine five hundred million Jews and five million Arabs. I was stunned at the simple brilliance of it. Can anyone picture the Jews strapping belts of razor blades and dynamite to themselves? Of course not. Or marshaling every fiber and force at their disposal for generations to drive a tiny Arab State into the sea? Nonsense. Or dancing for joy at the murder of innocents? Impossible. Or spreading and believing horrible lies about the Arabs baking their bread with the blood of children? Disgusting. No, as you know, left to themselves in a world of peace, the worst Jews would ever do to people is debate them to death.

Mr. Bush, God bless him, is walking a tightrope. I understand that with vital operations in Iraq and others, it's in our interest, as Americans, to try to stabilize our Arab allies as much as possible, and, after all, that can't be much harder than stabilizing a roomful of supermodels who've just had their drugs taken away.

However, in any big-picture strategy, there's always a danger of losing moral weight. We've already lost some. After September 11th our president told us and the world he was going to root out all terrorists and the countries that supported them. Beautiful. Then the Israelis, after months and months of having the equivalent of an Oklahoma City every week (and then every day) start to do the same thing we did, and we tell them to show restraint.

If America were being attacked with an Oklahoma City every day, we would all very shortly be screaming for the administration to just be done with it and kill everything south of the Mediterranean and east of the Jordan.

Please feel free to pass this along to your friends

(To our knowledge, Mr. Miller is not Jewish. He is more supportive of Israel than some of our fellow Jews.)

Good rant. Misguided but still entertaining. Isn't he the football guy / expert on anything middle eastern?

what makes you more qualified that him to comment on the issue?

what makes you more qualified that him to comment on the issue?[/b][/quote]
Not much. I lived there for a couple of years and met most of the players of the day. Lived and breathed middle eastern politics and have seen the results of what you only read about. I guess Mr. Miller's football experience would make him eminently qualified to comment. He seems to really know his stuff.

Ahhhhh... I love the smell of bullshit in the morning!

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/miller.htm

We would have expected nothing less! :lol: :lol: :lol:

(To our knowledge, Mr. Miller is not Jewish. He is more supportive of Israel than some of our fellow Jews.)

So if this is important....is he?

Joe, I lived with "palestinians"..there are NO Palestinians

Joe, I lived with "palestinians"..there are NO Palestinians[/b][/quote]
Ergo, their are no Israelis.

Ergo, their are no Israelis.[/b][/quote]
and what were King David and King Solomon's nationalities?

Joe, I lived with "palestinians"..there are NO Palestinians[/b][/quote]
I wasn't commenting on the material, just that Dennis Miller didn't author it.

I wasn't commenting on the material, just that Dennis Miller didn't author it.[/b][/quote]
he is a comedian,
I doubt he writes his own material
;-)))

and what were King David and King Solomon's nationalities?[/b][/quote]
Ah the chicken or egg IsraelITE argument.

Not much. I lived there for a couple of years and met most of the players of the day. Lived and breathed middle eastern politics and have seen the results of what you only read about. I guess Mr. Miller's football experience would make him eminently qualified to comment. He seems to really know his stuff.[/b][/quote]
Can you explain what " met most of the player of the day" means?

Can you explain what " met most of the player of the day" means?[/b][/quote]
What explanation is necessary? Is that not plain English? BTW, no response to those informational links I posted? You know the ones that kind of sink your compassionate American position. Or did they actually give you pause for thought as I hope they should?

Ah the chicken or egg IsraelITE argument.[/b][/quote]
IOW,
they were Israelites, correct?

IOW,
they were Israelites, correct?[/b][/quote]
Yeah and Italians were Romans and the Indians were.....American?

What explanation is necessary? Is that not plain English? BTW, no response to those informational links I posted? You know the ones that kind of sink your compassionate American position. Or did they actually give you pause for thought as I hope they should?[/b][/quote]
Name names.

Put up or shut up.

J', can you do me a favor and stop using quotes post ALL the time?
the posts grow so big it's hard to follow

Name names.

Put up or shut up.[/b][/quote]
Mikey, you never put up and you never shut up, so why should I be any different. You never lose an argument, because you never finish one because you usually get creamed by somebody. I have already "put up" here before and Serge had no idea who I was talking about even though Mossad tried to blow him up a few times. If you had been paying attention and knowledgable enough about the region (not) you would know as well.
I will give you two names if you like, but I am not going down a freekin list for someone who is clueless about the middle east. Only because you might have heard of them. Maybe.
Yassir Arrafat and King Hussein...trust me, there are more. Now you asked so don't you go getting all precious on me again. I am tired of getting chased around this board because I answer people's questions.

QWERTY


Hey I just wanted to pin you down on 2 of the people you claimed to have met. I have called you out other times and you wanted me to find the posts, so now I have marked this thread with QWERTY, so I will be able to find it again.

It may be easier to compose a list of the people you have not met....

:lol:

J', can you do me a favor and stop using quotes post ALL the time?
the posts grow so big it's hard to follow[/b][/quote]
OK...sorry about that. I actually didn't mean to quote that.



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QWERTY


Hey I just wanted to pin you down on 2 of the people you claimed to have met. I have called you out other times and you wanted me to find the posts, so now I have marked this thread with QWERTY, so I will be able to find it again.

It may be easier to compose a list of the people you have not met....

:lol:[/b][/quote]
No it would not, Mikey. Does that bother you? You still haven't responded to the other posts. Do they make you uncomfortable as an American? Like I said, the vote is a dangerous weapon in the hands of the uninformed.

Actually, maybe I should make a note of all the posts MikeAI ducks and dives and dodges the bullet on. Nah.....they happen just about every week.

I do not dodge questions, that is your MO. Which I understand since you are a pathological liar, it is hard to keep up with all the lies you tell so you just ignore questions.

So you have met Yassir Arafat, the former King Hussein, Jimmy Carter, and at least one Sec of State.

Very impressive.

Care to add any more to the list?

Nice try Mikey. You dodged the bullet again. It is not my MO . It is yours. Case in point today. I don't lie, but you apparently do. Now here is an assignment for you. Since you just called me a liar, plsease post some examples. No over to you. Put up or shut up.
BTW, you are going all precious on me again and I asked you not to. Maybe you can't help it.



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I'd also like to know in which capacity you have met them,

professionally. I am surprised after all this time you have not put two and two together. I guess it is easier to sling shit and accusations than to think about it. You aren't too bad, but that wally Mike has not freekin clue about anything but business and cubic inches. I am still awaiting Mikey's reply. But mostly when he is cornered he folds, so I am sure it will not be forthcoming.

professionally. I am surprised after all this time you have not put two and two together. I guess it is easier to sling shit and accusations than to think about it. You aren't too bad, but that wally Mike has not freekin clue about anything but business and cubic inches. I am still awaiting Mikey's reply. But mostly when he is cornered he folds, so I am sure it will not be forthcoming.[/b][/quote]
professionally what?
interpreter? body guard? tourist?

what is obvious to you is NOT obvious to me.
care to eleborate?

professionally. I am surprised after all this time you have not put two and two together. I guess it is easier to sling shit and accusations than to think about it. You aren't too bad, but that wally Mike has not freekin clue about anything but business and cubic inches. I am still awaiting Mikey's reply. But mostly when he is cornered he folds, so I am sure it will not be forthcoming.[/b][/quote]
stop baiting M ike and try TALKING to him instead like a normal person.

aren't you tired of the childish bullshit?

we are.....we've been at it since 1996
;-))))

stop baiting M ike and try TALKING to him instead like a normal person.

aren't you tired of the childish bullshit?

we are.....we've been at it since 1996
;-))))[/b][/quote]


Serge you cannot even engage the guy in a worthy piss, he starts rambling about things and ends up on his own planet.

Someone who has met so many people in a "professional" capacity who finds time to debate with mere pornographers is very unique!

Mike you are a moron (i mean that very closely to to the literal definition) not worth the time. You have not responded to anything that makes you uncomfortable. You are a redneck. If you had not gotten really lucky with the internet, you would be living in a double wide. I hate stupid people and you are. You may be devious, clever and successful at earning doche but you are without a doubt stupid. The only way you will ever do anything in life is to pay for it. You are morally bankrupt. Good thing you are "wealthy". So enough about you.

J', is your attack on Mike is your way to avoid the question I asked you?

why are you ducking the question?

You make no sense at all. I suggest you consult with Arafat and find out the success of building a nation!

Obviously you do not know the defition of luck, its preperation meeting opportunity. Some people make their own luck.

I know you think by calling me names you will get a response, but you know nothing about me at all. You take snipits and extrapolate on stereotypes that leak out of your deranged mind.

It is OK to be envious, maybe one day you will be "lucky" too!

stop baiting M ike and try TALKING to him instead like a normal person.

aren't you tired of the childish bullshit?

we are.....we've been at it since 1996
;-))))

I am tired of the childish bullshit. I have been at it since 1997. I am not sure what your point was about that.
I would talk to mike like a normal person and have tried in the past. I even tried to engage him on his car at one point. Something we have a mutual interest in. He had no desire to respond. But since then, I have come to believe the man is not worthy of respect. So why would I bother.





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Mike, I don't wanna engage him in piss...I find DISCUSSION and exchange of ideas more stimulating.

I REFUSE pissing on the high school level,
and in order to raise the bar, I'd rather echange the IDEAS/info first,
and I have no problems making the first step myself.

You make no sense at all. I suggest you consult with Arafat and find out the success of building a nation!

Obviously you do not know the defition of luck, its preperation meeting opportunity. Some people make their own luck.

I know you think by calling me names you will get a response, but you know nothing about me at all. You take snipits and extrapolate on stereotypes that leak out of your deranged mind.

It is OK to be envious, maybe one day you will be "lucky" too![/b][/quote]
Mike, you have called me way more names than I have ever called you. But the bottom line is, you still have not responded to any posts that make you look like the moron you are. I have given you a ton of chances and still nothing. You should consider politics. Your lips move and you say nothing. Now....dude...dude....post the lies you accuse me of. Serge....this is what I mean.

J's, past is PAST, we are going back to what once was, bury the "past", I did.

as for your journalism background...no, it was NOT obviuos,
I once fucked journalist, I never had a pleasure reading her work
;-)))

"J's, past is PAST, we are going back to what once was, bury the "past", I did."
Ok, then promise never to mention King David or the Temple again. It is a tired old argument.

As for journalists; I have fucked tons of them. Not quite sure what the point is.

the point was:
I can recognize their genetalia better than their work or profession
;-))))