Barring anything unforseen, this election will guarantee that the US president or vice president has had a Yale degree in every term since 1980.
Heading to 28 years in a row.

Yes, government by the privileged for the privileged.

You don't have to be "privileged" to be accepted at Yale. As a matter of fact, admissions is "needs blind". What you do need is a 4.0 or close, high SAT's, a great essay, a good interview and a record of achievement.

How the hell do you know?





Oh wait .... running for Pres any time soon Colin? You better make sure your porn past will look damn sweet :nyanya:

You don't have to be "privileged" to be accepted at Yale. As a matter of fact, admissions is "needs blind". What you do need is a 4.0 or close, high SAT's, a great essay, a good interview and a record of achievement.[/b][/quote]
Care to point out any of those Mr. C average had to be able to get into Yale?

George W. was a legacy student. I think somewhere around 10% of admissions. Do you think it makes sense to judge the majority by the vast minority? Would you judge me to be from a privileged background because of where I went to school?

Of course, it helps to be "privileged". It helps to be able to afford good tutors, it helps to have parents that went to a good school, it helps to have parents that are motivated, it helps to have parents that know how to succeed, it helps to be able to afford good stationery for resumes, it helps to have parents who care to speak the king's english, it helps to have parents who take an interest in us. Know what? It helps to have good parents, period.

And part of the reason some of us aim to achieve such things is to pass these advantages down to our children. I hope you do too.

You'll get my vote! :P

I disagree though. I think within the next few elections you'll see someone with less education and political experience be voted in. Witness Aah-nold in CA.

Kerry and Bush both went to Yale. Their term will end in 2008. 28 years. ;-)

I've wondered for a while what role the internet could play in electing a President .....

A real grass roots campaign (that's how it's wrapped on the face) with a powerful website backed by serious bulk emailing campaigns

A US President elected by spam .......

Am sure there are other pieces to the puzzle but it's interesting

Colin, would you work hard to help your kids go to Yale? Would you push them?

I have always wondered about this. I went to a public university, then to Loyola for Law School. I have done fine, but there is something about an Ivy League school that could open up big doors.

Apparently, Kerry and Bush are both in that super secret Yale fraternity skull and bones or whatever it's called. Gay.

George W. was a legacy student. I think somewhere around 10% of admissions. Do you think it makes sense to judge the majority by the vast minority? Would you judge me to be from a privileged background because of where I went to school?

Of course, it helps to be "privileged". It helps to be able to afford good tutors, it helps to have parents that went to a good school, it helps to have parents that are motivated, it helps to have parents that know how to succeed, it helps to be able to afford good stationery for resumes, it helps to have parents who care to speak the king's english, it helps to have parents who take an interest in us. Know what? It helps to have good parents, period.

And part of the reason some of us aim to achieve such things is to pass these advantages down to our children. I hope you do too.[/b][/quote]
Nope but we weren't talking about the general Yale population only the Presidents and Vp's that have gone there. Don't get me wrong a Yale education for the vast majority of people is hard earned earned but I would be interested to see how many of those former presidents and Vp's were legacy/money admissions.

Question. How hard was the LSAT in your opinion?

I thought about law school, still do every once and awhile. Did you practice prior to smut?

There are people that doubt that Bush got in on money and name recognition alone?

http://www.georgewbush.org/bios/yale-transcript.asp

Is it me, or is there a whole lot of c's and b's? And is that a 71 in Poli Sci?

I see Skull and Bones on his transcripts.

Cool question.

I will encourage them in the direction of their interests. When I wanted to be a rockstar, my parents encouraged me. When I wanted to be a physicist, my parents encouraged me. When I wanted to be a pornographer, my parents encouraged me. I admire that in my parents and plan to do the same.

I want for my daughter to be happy - whatever she chooses to do. Same goes for my sister, who is now 16. My sister is a straight A student. She was president of her elementary school for a number of years. She was in student government for years. She's not showing much interest in college. She will find her way.

I had a great experience at Yale but not everyone does. What I liked most was the intensity of the environment, being surrounded by students who were valedictorians and some of the best in the world at their age. You also have access to some of the most published professors in the world. I was a little disappointed that Yale professors were not, on average, better teachers than their non Ivy league counterparts. I attended Syracuse University for a year first so I do have a good base of comparison. The competitive environment more than compensates for that though. Most classes are graded on a curve with maybe one or two students in a class getting an A. Some of the texts I had in the undergrad courses was being used as grad level texts in some other Universities. One of my professors. who published a popular textbook on Quantum Mechanics, distributed his rough draft of his new book to the class to use as that semester's textbook.

The connections you make in academia and in corporate America are worth it for most people. The largest corporations in the world recruit Yale heavily and many students that I knew took this route. I was a physics major and yet one of the first jobs I was offered was at Dean Witter. One of my friends got a great job at Motorola landing a managerial position at one of their Asian offices.

Some of my professors were on the selection committees for academic journals and they were easily approachable. They would be more than willing to guide one in preparing a paper for acceptance.

I loved the experience. It was one of the defining periods of my life and probably the one that I look back upon with the most pride. As with most things in life, you get out of it what you out in.

Question. How hard was the LSAT in your opinion?

I thought about law school, still do every once and awhile. Did you practice prior to smut?[/b][/quote]
For someone of your intellegence, brainiac, I'm sure the LSAT would be easier than memorizing Western Hemisphere poverty statistics. Plus, your sociology degree will carry a whole lot of weight during admissions, what with the critical thinking and logic aspects of that discipline.



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for once we agree...

FINANCING A YALE EDUCATION

The Estimated Cost of Attendance
Tuition and fees: $28,400
Room and Board: $8,600
Books and personal expenses: $2,620
Cost for one academic year: $39,620

good luck getting grants/loans to cover 160 grand for a BA/BS...you won't see to many crack babies, even with perfect SAT's, hanging out on campus.

best of luck -
aeon

College isn't for everyone.

Well, it's not that many. The Bush dynasty makes up almost all of it and then there's Clinton.

College isn't for everyone.[/b][/quote]
you don't need to spend that cash to get a top tier education...the quality of education you get isn't dependant on whether a school is "ivy league". That's just over-privaledged white kids with a few minorities thrown in to keep up the PC appearance...

You want an engineering degree, science - purdue, university of michigan, rose hulman, USC, MIT - want religious studies - University of Chicago (hands down) (philosophy as well a top tier school - notre dame another top philo school - so's IU), film school (UCLA) etc., etc.,

The type of discipline you're pursuing should mandate the school's you're interested in.

best of luck -
aeon

My family was dirt poor. They didn't even contribute $1 to my education.

Have you seen the size of the Yale endowment? Trust me. Plenty of poor kids get the grants and loans to attend Yale. I attended when I was married and had my 2 year old daughter living with me. My living expenses were above and beyond what most students were. On a number of occasions, I petitioned the committee for extra funds and always received them. Sometimes as loans, sometimes as aid. I even managed a $7000 summer living expenses grant to continue my senior project research.

I was very worried that if I were accepted at Yale, I wouldn't be able to afford to go. Once accepted, the Yale financial aid office does an amazing job of making sure people get the loans and aid necessary to attend. They pride themselves on it.

This from someone who can't even spell correctly.

for once we agree...

FINANCING A YALE EDUCATION

The Estimated Cost of Attendance
Tuition and fees: $28,400
Room and Board: $8,600
Books and personal expenses: $2,620
Cost for one academic year: $39,620

good luck getting grants/loans to cover 160 grand for a BA/BS...you won't see to many crack babies, even with perfect SAT's, hanging out on campus.

best of luck -
aeon[/b][/quote]
how many crack babies do you normally expect to see hanging out at ivy league schools?

Have you seen the cost of MIT or University of Chicago? It's no less expensive than an Ivy. "Ivy League" is just that, a league. Some of the schools you mentioned are every bit as elite as the Ivy League schools and just as expensive.

What makes Yale elitist and not Chicago or MIT?

The "Ivy League" was just a name for schools that played each other in sports. Like "Big Ten" or "ACC". This dates back to when Harvard and Yale were actually winning National Championships in football.

you don't need to spend that cash to get a top tier education...the quality of education you get isn't dependant on whether a school is "ivy league". That's just over-privaledged white kids with a few minorities thrown in to keep up the PC appearance...

You want an engineering degree, science - purdue, university of michigan, rose hulman, USC, MIT - want religious studies - University of Chicago (hands down) (philosophy as well a top tier school - notre dame another top philo school - so's IU), film school (UCLA) etc., etc.,

The type of discipline you're pursuing should mandate the school's you're interested in.

best of luck -
aeon[/b][/quote]
Some would argue that college is the worst place to work on an education.

Yeah, those people are called Buff, Peaches, and Carrie.

Consider the source.

Yeah, those people are called Buff, Peaches, and Carrie.

Consider the source.[/b][/quote]
My degree is in Economics and History. What is yours going to be in? Sociology. You think you're educated?

What a glorious day it will be when you expatriate. France needs a few more worthless bitches.

I'm not slamming on Yale - it's a great school...was pointing out that some people look at Ivy League as the end all be all as a rule...when the determining factor should be what you're intended discipline is.

With all private schools tho...there's an economic factor involved - some private schools are incredibly generous with their grants/fin aid - but as with everything else...one's ability is not the sole determining factor in who can actually afford to attend a particular school.

best of luck -
aeon

I'm not slamming on Yale - it's a great school...was pointing out that some people look at Ivy League as the end all be all as a rule...when the determining factor should be what you're intended discipline is.

With all private schools tho...there's an economic factor involved - some private schools are incredibly generous with their grants/fin aid - but as with everything else...one's ability is not the sole determining factor in who can actually afford to attend a particular school.

best of luck -
aeon[/b][/quote]
There's a reason why the top schools are really expensive. The funds are pushed back into expanding the schools, purchasing equipment, and so on.

As an undergraduate physics major I was able to perform experiments on a particle accelerator. There are few schools in the world that have that level of resources available to students.

Don't forget about all the undeclareds in the world. Some people don't have a clue what they will major in. Some schools won't even permit you to declare your major until your junior year.

There are people that doubt that Bush got in on money and name recognition alone?

http://www.georgewbush.org/bios/yale-transcript.asp

Is it me, or is there a whole lot of c's and b's? And is that a 71 in Poli Sci?

I see Skull and Bones on his transcripts.[/b][/quote]
Hmm mid to low 70's were always D territory in any school I've ever been in. 69 and below were F's.

Not saying other schools, and occasional professors on their own, don't have lower scales. Just not that common in my experience.

Colin was trying to destroy the Earth!

http://manytruths.com/bigbang.htm

My take...

Correct.

But it certainly is the critical factor at least in the UK.

However without a doubt Private schools give you an advantage , in the UK possibly more so.

The CEO of HAMBRO offered me a senior position , because I went to the same School (not College) as he did.

So you see labret,
a working class hero is something to be...but your still fucking peasants , as far as I can see - John Lennon ;-)))

There's a reason why the top schools are really expensive. The funds are pushed back into expanding the schools, purchasing equipment, and so on.

As an undergraduate physics major I was able to perform experiments on a particle accelerator. There are few schools in the world that have that level of resources available to students.

Don't forget about all the undeclareds in the world. Some people don't have a clue what they will major in. Some schools won't even permit you to declare your major until your junior year.[/b][/quote]
To some extent...yea - but there's public schools that have those types of facilities as well...I know IU has a cyclotron, and some of the medical research facilities in state schools are unreal.

A lot of it come down to name branding...and people yanking their own chains - and rich family traditions...(which is associated with a lot of other schools too: daddy went to UNC, it's expected Jr. will...).

best of luck -
aeon



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To some extent...yea - but there's public schools that have those types of facilities as well...I know IU has a cyclotron, and some of the medical research facilities in state schools are unreal.

A lot of it come down to name branding...and people yanking their own chains - and rich family traditions...(which is associated with a lot of other schools too: daddy went to UNC, it's expected Jr. will...).

best of luck -
aeon[/b][/quote]
Hell, UNO has a paint-mixer machine thingy, and that school doesn't cost dick!

In the mid-1990s when I was there all grades were "on a curve". So pure numerical averages don't mean anything. Most Yale profs like to bomb the hell out of the students, giving them more material than they could likely master in a semester. This was true even in classes like foreign languages where you might be given 200 German vocab words to be learned overnight. Test tomorrow. (That happened to me my second week of class and I still remember it).

They also like to give super-nasty tests than no one will likely score an 80 or higher on. It was not uncommon for average tests scores to be in the 60s and 70s in physics and math classes.

The curve is inflated though so an average student would get low B's. You have to really fuck up to get a D or an F.

In the mid-1990s when I was there all grades were "on a curve". So pure numerical averages don't mean anything. Most Yale profs like to bomb the hell out of the students, giving them more material than they could likely master in a semester. This was true even in classes like foreign languages where you might be given 200 German vocab words to be learned overnight. Test tomorrow. (That happened to me my second week of class and I still remember it).

They also like to give super-nasty tests than no one will likely score an 80 or higher on. It was not uncommon for average tests scores to be in the 60s and 70s in physics and math classes.

The curve is inflated though so an average student would get low B's. You have to really fuck up to get a D or an F.[/b][/quote]
Exactly -- it's not like they want mommy and daddy pulling junior out of school because they're spending $30,000/year on C's and D's. University is a business and they need customers.

Awww top prime cut of meat
I'm your choice
I wanna be elected
A Yankee Doodle Dandy in a gold Rolls Royce
I wanna be elected

We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make

Still fucking Pheasants??!!
is that Pheasants under glass

Can't we all just get along and let the bestiality thing die :biglaugh:

This from someone who can't even spell correctly.[/b][/quote]
I'm not writing a dissertation here - grammatical critiques aren't nearly as witty as little yellow bus comments in this particular arena.

bste fo lcuk -
aeon

Lots of schools do. Can undergrads use it? Yale has two of them. One for grad students and the older one for undergrads. If you are an undergrad physics major you are required to do an experiment on it. That's the point. What are normally graduate level resources are routinely made available to undergrads.

Sure, lots of schools have good resources. It's just that the schools with really high endowments tend to have the better resources. That needs no explanation. A school with an $11 billion endowment that spent half a billion last year is able to provide resources that - with only a few exceptions - other schools can't match.

You can go on and on about name branding and privilege but what's the point? By attending Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Stanford and so on you are attending schools with great libraries, paleontology collections, art museums, science equipment, and the list goes on and on. THAT is the point. At most schools you study Kandinsky from a book. At Yale, you stroll on over to the art collection and look on the wall.

This is not to knock any school. Certains schools have more to offer and if you have the ability, the grades, and a little good fortune and are willing to pay and borrow more for to attend those schools so be it. If you don't, that is a choice too.

For the most part you do receive a better education at an "elite" school than a non-elite one. Having attended a pretty good college (Syracuse U) and Yale, I can make a comparison. The schools are a world apart. The ability of the average student is a world apart. The environment is incredibly different. When students are reading their books while walking down the street you know you're in a pretty intense place.