no pisses ANYWHERE before convention....

that sux!
;-)))

i think all the pissers have lost the "fire" that they had inside and all the newbies are either too afraid that they might invoke the wrath of someone like yourself serge or they dont know the value of some bad pr.

you're both shaving, cheating, dirtbags.

Let it be known. :lol:

What is there to piss about?

That and everyone is working.....


Plus its the Holidays....

Dying or maturing industry?

Like Mike said.. whats there to piss about?

Everyone is feeling the same 'heat', and it's evident that everyone has informally agreed, that the 'big dick' displays of shows past are not effective nor do they have an ROI worth persuing.... hence a limit on the 'parties' being thrown...

Maybe the industry finally IS maturing, as ulfie said... and it's time...

The one thing I've noticed is the newer young crowd attending conventions now. There has been quite a turnaround of our marketing webmasters, many of whom now seem to only be in this industry to party at the various conventions.

We all used to be there... in varying degress. I myself have toned it down considerably in the past couple of years, focusing more on business at shows.

Proff you are becoming an old man!!

:P

Proff you are becoming an old man!!

:P[/b][/quote]
Indeed!
Becoming a father had nothing to do with it... lol

I would love too see pissing with VISA and MasterCard and/or their acquiring banks, however they are too scared to post - they are only lurking at boards... :ph34r:

Though ARS has always taken the low-key approach I'm glad we're the ones around with the continuing tradition of low-key business effective parties, both the Gameworks party in the past and the newer Webmaster Poker Tour (2nd incarnation in Vegas) are great opportunities to talk to webmasters without 150 decibels of dance music kicking in your ear.

And Old Fold, I feel like I missed out on the tradition last year, I'll have to join you and the Gravel Voice at the door along with our new blood John V :)

Toolz,

Looking forward to more of your wisdom....the learning never ends. Oh yeah, and don't forget about our black-ops plan either :ph34r: lol

So many ninja plans, so little time :)

Eh, there's till next week Serge ;)

Ever the optimist eh KK? :P

Ever the optimist eh KK? :P[/b][/quote]
But of course

I await your presence and the company....
:agrin:

I await your presence and the company....
:agrin:[/b][/quote]
He lives and breathes!

Good to see ya Fold....

I await your presence and the company....
:agrin:[/b][/quote]
hey mike, how's the knee? you ready for some more pool at 3am :) tell rb to bring his game. :ph34r:

:)

still kicking....
just had some strange sciatica related probs sharpie
all those years of sitting on my ass at the monitor

pool is good....you're on!!

and at a Noritsu... :P

Serge, I try, but there are no worthy opponents anymore. Just sad losers like amp and steve jones who accept defeat out of self pity.

Hell I just posted on GFY that I heard Steve was suppying his models under 21 with booze and or drugs.

I saw Steve's new house and car - I think you are just jealous Brad!

:P

Toolz,

I think there are a few places you should take John for some training..

Your bathroom after a Tequila and Raw Steak dinner?

Toolz taught me the secret to going to strip clubs is extra pairs of pants.... never know when you will need them!

Your bathroom after a Tequila and Raw Steak dinner?[/b][/quote]
Uhhhhhhhhh, I've been involved with some of Toolz training missions, but none like the one mentioned above ...thank god :grrr:

that's what's killing this more than visa...there will always be alternative billing solutions - where there's a demand...a supply will be provided. It's the idiots slinging galleries for 50 bucks a day so they can brag they sell porn and sponsors dealing with razor thin margins to keep those puppies happy that are flushing it all down the toilet...

free hosted galleries, free hosting, free content, free blah blah blah - free this, free that...

kill all of them...disembowel them publicly at the convention and I consider it worth attending.

best of luck -
aeon

Toolz taught me the secret to going to strip clubs is extra pairs of pants.... never know when you will need them![/b][/quote]
hahaha:

Lest you be caught walking through the Venetian at 4am with snail trails.

In 2004 we will see more sponsors not letting every moron signup to push their sites - this should halt many of the newbies, which is yet to enter the industry. Also since margins are getting razor thin, then people with bad traffic will need to find new places to send it. And with legal and processing issues also, then we will be less one year from now.

Maybe we should make a "what do you predict for 2004" thread - naahh, better wait until after Internext :rolleyes:

I could probably find a thing or two to piss about....

But probably won't be in Vegas, so, wouldn't be able to finish it up by kicking whatever assfuck I pissed with's ass from the venetian all the way to the boardwalk as I would have ended up at some point promising to do....

Other than that, I'm in a pretty pissy mood as a matter of fact....

:yowsa:

Sare the neighbor's yard is always an excellent place to do some late-night pissing.
Or so Serge and Forest claim. :P

Carrie,
now MikeW has the same problem with his neighbor and invited me and Forest to do the deed....

we'll let you know how it went
;-)))

agreed.

there's a certain sponsor currently who must be having a competition with a few other programs to see who can give the most free pics to webmasters ... it looks like around 30 new galleries every week are being added ... that adds up to several hundred if not more pics ...

why give away so much of what you are trying to sell?

why are there still companies giving away content at all, let alone in such a huge quantity and then expecting someone to pay $30 a month for it plus a bit more?!

i don't see the point currently in investing a heap of money or time into an industry where the profit margins are becoming less than they are in most industries - when the reality is most of us got into this biz for the money anyway, not because we are proud that we sell smutty sex to desperate wankers ...

although i still have porn paysites and will until visa hammers the final nail, i've done a full turn about and am back to doing what I started with 6 years ago, quality online magazines with a reasonable monthly rate - and not 'porn'. no more $30 40 or 50 a month sites, no more $30+ payouts to webmasters etc ... someone else can spend the money, and i'll watch & learn from their mistakes, because guaranteed EVERYBODY IS MAKING THEM RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS DICK ABOUT DICK NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY!!!!

The sooner boards like gfy with 'beer money' webmasters go bye bye, the sooner the biz can get on with fixing itself ... but until that happens, sit back with some popcorn & prepare to be amazed at how moronic & amusing some people will behave as their future, livelihood, dreams & egos come crashing before their eyes!!!!!!

*evil laugh*

i cant vait for zat vun!


sorry folks, saturday afternoon & i'm waiting for a load of washing to finish :biglaugh:

I can only hope and pray



Note - I'm an Atheist - Swear to God I am :D

I can only hope and pray



Note - I'm an Atheist - Swear to God I am :D[/b][/quote]
well.....this is where the "Jewish History experience" comes handy...

after Romans conquered the Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple,
the Jewish scientists and Theologists went to Jaffa and for generations they preserved the culture and religion...
something similar happened in Greece after the Turkish occupation.

Let's hope we preserve Oprano as a "think tank" to make life easier for future generations...

and in Vick's tradition,
don't beleive a word I say,
Forest's Russian vodka with red wine, spicy rum and Averna,
make my fingers a bit frisky today
;-)))

well.....this is where the "Jewish History experience" comes handy...

after Romans conquered the Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple,
the Jewish scientists and Theologists went to Jaffa and for generations they preserved the culture and religion...
something similar happened in Greece after the Turkish occupation.

Let's hope we preserve Oprano as a "think tank" to make life easier for future generations...

and in Vick's tradition,
don't beleive a word I say,
Forest's Russian vodka with red wine, spicy rum and Averna,
make my fingers a bit frisky today
;-)))[/b][/quote]
Mr. Oprano


I've been reading this board for the last week and I've been to others too. I noticed the last 3 days more and more webmasters talking about no sales. I see the bottom coming near.


What if I told you that I can help make you and your crew here to get back(or never left) on top? I'm shaking just typing this to you because this is my one shot to present you something I know can make money and I don't want to fuck up. I've been around the boards out there and it seems I can't trust any one. The stuff I grew up in and saw made me very street smart. I see that here, so I know your guys are real players. I turn 30 years old in 12 days.I'm not getting any younger. Everyone here at this board impressed me. The only reason I've held back is always worried about getting my ideas taken. I think there's alot like me out there that see things that others can't but never go thur with the process of doing biz. All I want is to be able to work with no distractions and not having to worry about next months rent or shit like that. And of course a little piece of the pie. There is enough money to be made for everyone for a long time. It just takes the commitment of everyone involved to do what they say they are going to do.


Serge, I am for real and I saw your post where you said you don't have a plan B and hard for you to even get up in the mourning to go make money. I know I could get you that desire again to make mad cash.I've been doing research every waking hour i've had for the last 45 days and I know the internet world is going to have a shake-up and the ones left will reap the awards.


We'll I got thur that o/k. let's see what's next. Balls in your court.


Much Respect

P

P, my problem is little bit different...having VERY modest desires and a nest egg I can't outlive even if my desires increase,
is a LOUSY motivator to make a mad cash and I hope you not talking about getting me broke to get that desire
;-)))

Jokes aside,
if you have a "magic formula" you wanna share with Opranaughts-
I am much appriociated in advance,
if you beleive you sharing your idea will hurt you,
like it did MANY innovators before you-
keep it under your sleeve and think of yourself and your family first...

from my experience, appreciation of the people generally 1 feet long, even though at Oprano it few feet above the average.

now you have food for YOUR thoughts,
"To be or NOT to be..."
;-))))

My sales have never been better, this month has been very good.

Vegas should be fun.

There is nothing to piss about, life is good. :)

The sky only appears to be falling for those who have seen the sky.... the ants who crawl don't know when the sky is falling.

Everything is relative.