http://www.msnbc.com/news/945559.asp?0si=-
HOLY FUCK! Who knew spam could be detrimental to a long life!



Another interesting article. http://www.msnbc.com/news/941040.asp?0cb=-112171549

This is the kicker:

Only a few months earlier than the FTC forum, the Pew Internet and American Life Project released its own e-mail and spam study, and it included this startling pronouncement: Spam isn’t that big a problem. A noisy, wired minority, the report said, has overexaggerated the spam jam-up. In fact, only 15 percent of workers surveyed say they have to deal with more than 50 e-mails a day. And nearly three-quarters said “only a little” of their work e-mail is spam.

This one time in Vancouver, I almost got killed!


By spammers!

hahahahaha

you gota be carefull these days B)

Only a few months earlier than the FTC forum, the Pew Internet and American Life Project released its own e-mail and spam study, and it included this startling pronouncement: Spam isn’t that big a problem. A noisy, wired minority, the report said, has overexaggerated the spam jam-up. In fact, only 15 percent of workers surveyed say they have to deal with more than 50 e-mails a day. And nearly three-quarters said “only a little” of their work e-mail is spam.
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This is a pearl!! The anti-spam zealots, the spam-nazis are the big danger. These guys are the people who think they own the internet. Back in the day a few people who managed the big networks, and universities could control the internet - As the internet became more commercial these people started looking for ways to try and keep control!

Of course the Anti's don't want you to know that.

I belong to quite a few List Serv anti spam Lists. It's generally the same 30 people who do nothing but complain and search out for spam.

It's sad really.

But that article said it the best, if no one was clicking, there wouldn't be any emails sent out.

Ant you are right the Spam Nazis search out and look to get spammed... morons!

You can make stats paint any picture you like.

Spam IS a real problem. Hell, I get on average about 2400 spams a day now. SpamAssassin takes care of most of them. A significant number still slip thru. What's worse is I occasionally miss a legitimate email that gets filtered and thrown out with the trash because I cant really manually scan 2000+ messages.

I'm unusual in that I have keep email addresses forever, my oldest is over 10 years old. Some are posted publicly too, so I get absolutely slammed.

Spam is unavoidable if you want customers, clients and/or friends to be able to easily find your email address. Spam is also an infrastructure challenge for major providers and ISPs. A provider such as Earthlink or Comcast has to maintain twice the SMTP and POP3 capacity that they would need for legitimate mail just to handle all of the unwanted spam.

I hate to add government involvement to anything though. Government is already too big. Spam ultimately needs to be addressed with technology. A good step toward solving the problem would be simply requiring email authentication and making the system spoof proof so the sender could always be identified and accountable.

Are you saying you know better than the the Pew Internet and American Life Project and their study?

I'd like to see your research and findings as well.





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Brad,
_almost_ is a key word.....

Alex you pissing with is Russian and _almost_ is not the part of Russian vocabulary
;-))))

..if you were in Brooklyn,
you'd be next by Hoffa by now
;-)))

I recently opted out of over half of my junk mail and guess what? I get half the mail so to get 2400 emails a day there must be a reason
1 What have you signed up for
2 what do you do that your email is so exposed
3 do you belong to newsgroups
4 do you do all of your shopping on the net?
5 or did you signup for lots of "free things" on the net and now its so out of control that your pissed

I know a lot of people who use there computer daily as we do all and 2400 e mails sounds like a bad joke not a reality.

Marketing is how our captalistic society turns I personally hate tv commercials is there an anti tv commercial group?
What about those ads on the sides of buses I am offended that i cant look at a bus on the road and not have to see an advertisement WTF?
Delete it and move on

That being said and email should state what its about and who its from
no spoofing or fake headers.
As far as unsolicited email when car dealers and cc corps stop pre-approving me my mailbox will get less wear and tear

Still 2400 a that you didnt ask for?

I had to rant but you are right both sides need to play fair and we need the tools to do so

Serge, only mafia I worry about is the Aussie Porn Mafia!

Brad,
99.99999% of Russians do NOT belong to mafia....they just use their methods on their own, that's all
;-)))

a few months ago a nigerian politican was shot by some one that got ripped of by the nigerian spam/scam that goes around.

Oh, of course there's a reason. I'm not pretending not to understand where they come from and why.

I gave you the two key reasons. First off, I have email addresses mapped to my inbox that have been around over 10 years. And second, I do not actively hide my email address. And although I do not opt-in to lists or go for obvious gimmicks like contests, etc, I do buy stuff on the web. And we all know that whether they say they do or not, there are plenty of businesses, processors, etc who sell every address they obtain.

If you do not want spam, you have to protect your "real" address and not give it to anyone. However, it's tough to do business on the Internet if you make it tough for people to contact you.

Are you saying you know better than the the Pew Internet and American Life Project and their study?

I'd like to see your research and findings as well.[/b][/quote]
I'm still collecting data.

Help me out, how many billion spam messages have you helped contribute to the net in the past few years? :biglaugh:

You give me way too much credit dude. Billions?

I am a lowly program operator. I don't deal with that email stuff.

It makes no money.

Nothing is safe any more!

There is no mafia! :)

:awinky:
a little fear is healthy!


Brad, good book - you'd probably enjoy it, and its only small with not too many big words ...

The Mafia Manager

This is my favorite chapter ...

Capos

I'll lend you my copy with the notes in the margins :okthumb:

Aint that the truth. The anti's blow things way out of proportion.

I believe many abuse desk workers will tell you the antis are a bigger problem than the spammers.

Shotgun spammers will loose long term, simply because there is more money in the anti-spam business, then in spam itself...

I agree that in the long term spam will probably become too expensive or too difficult to send to make it worth the effort.

Your reasoning does not make any sense at all though.

Ok - I will give you a reason :)

MS will include anti-spam, anti-virus etc. into their OS, and ISPs/companies will filter/monitor all mail traffic for spam and virus... They will do this, because it will have a positive impact on customer loyalty, and increase sales vs. products/services which do not have these features.

Ofcourse spammers will still be able to send spam, but the "good" mail address will be hard to mass mail.

From Microsoft:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/feature...-28antispam.asp

Apparently that must be true.....ask Mr. Cash.

:awinky:
a little fear is healthy!


Brad, good book - you'd probably enjoy it, and its only small with not too many big words ...

The Mafia Manager

This is my favorite chapter ...

Capos

I'll lend you my copy with the notes in the margins :okthumb:[/b][/quote]
Thanks CJ - I just went and bought that book after looking at your links

Microsoft doing anti-spam software is laughable. All you will have to do is go read their RFC's to see how to beat it. Microsoft security is an oxymoron.

Apparently that must be true.....ask Mr. Cash.[/b][/quote]
Don't be a hipocrite now!

Don't be a hipocrite now![/b][/quote]
No hypocracy here at all.

Im just reitertating my policy of Pay up or pack up.

If one cant pay I must conclude that they aint making any mon-ay.!

Come to think of it, you DO look a bit like Johnnie Cochran in your avatar picture.... B)

Come to think of it, you DO look a bit like Johnnie Cochran in your avatar picture.... B)[/b][/quote]
Dont get too used to that avatar....

Dont get too used to that avatar....[/b][/quote]
:bjump: :cdance: :bwave: :bdance: :yowsa:

I still dont think you have the balls to do it

BUT

I hope you dooooooooooo

:bjump: :cdance: :bwave: :bdance: :yowsa:

I still dont think you have the balls to do it

BUT

I hope you dooooooooooo[/b][/quote]
Trust me...its on!

By this time tomorrow the shoot will be over.

Trust me...its on!

By this time tomorrow the shoot will be over.[/b][/quote]
well I figured i push you in public to do it

egg you on some more

:P

Oh geeze - am I going to have to add you to the ever growing (pun intended) list of people "from work" whose weenies I've seen??!! :blink:

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Oh geeze - am I going to have to add you to the ever growing (pun intended) list of people "from work" whose weenies I've seen??!! :blink:

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Peaches

MUCH funnier than that!!!

:lol: :bdance: :bwave: :bjump: :cdance:

I'm afraid....especially if the two of you are involved. :awinky:

I'm afraid....especially if the two of you are involved. :awinky:[/b][/quote]
smart girl

:biglaugh:

Oh geeze - am I going to have to add you to the ever growing (pun intended) list of people "from work" whose weenies I've seen??!! :blink:

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I aint spilling the beans Peaches. You will just have to wait and see.
I do need to talk to you about some biz though.
Ill email you my home number ...I dont reckon its long distance from Ellijay to GonZoland is it?

(tapping foot waiting patiently......)

It's certainly not long distance ENOUGH! :nyanya:

Yes, it's LD, but I have one of those fancy 2 cent a minute calling cards. I'll just take the cost of the call and apply against the lunch I owe ya. :agrin: Wait, did I say 2 CENTS a minute? I meant $2 DOLLARS a minute...yeah, that's it... :rolleyes: