Wow!

What happens if you don't pay your taxes in Oz?[/b][/quote]
You get in trouble.

Not paying for services I want and use that are provided by the government is theft I guess.



Last edited by Joe Sixpack at Dec 2 2003, 12:39 PM

If you choose not to buy something at the store, the shopkeeper will not come to your house with a gun and force you to buy it.

Should you choose not to pay the percentage of taxes that goes to fund abortions because you are morally opposed to them, the government WILL come and get you.

Your illusions of force and choice are interesting...

What about people that might like to see homeless people on the sidewalk and more money in their bank account? You feel it is your right to impose on them YOUR desire not to see styrofoam coffee cups, through taxation for programs YOU believe in. Therefore, the religious right and you are on the same moral ground. Congratulations for joining them in their piety.

Not the after reading them the FIRST time, which I believe is what the discussion is about. Of course books catch my attention - I read all the time. B)

Sadly they do not accept 3rd grade dropouts like me. :cryin:

You get in trouble.

Not paying for services I want and use that are provided by the government is theft I guess.[/b][/quote]
You don't pay your taxes... they send you a bill.

You still don't pay... they issue an arrest warrant.

You refuse to be arrested... they force you to comply using a gun if necessary.

Get it?

I understand.

Joe...I seeded ONE "hmmm.." today,
and I had a late lunch. I usually don't have lunches, they exhaust me.
I had lunch because this "hmmm..." wasn't a walk in the park.

do you mind if I recouperate a little BEFORE I attempt to put the second "hmmm.."?

I'm sure you'll use this break to analyze the difference between your
"I KNOW" and "My Opinion"

Second leaves room for debate,
the first assumes the possession of the undisputable FACT.

so, what is it, KNOW which is undisputed or Opinion which can be changed?

If you choose not to buy something at the store, the shopkeeper will not come to your house with a gun and force you to buy it.

Should you choose not to pay the percentage of taxes that goes to fund abortions because you are morally opposed to them, the government WILL come and get you.

Your illusions of force and choice are interesting...

What about people that might like to see homeless people on the sidewalk and more money in their bank account? You feel it is your right to impose on them YOUR desire not to see styrofoam coffee cups, through taxation for programs YOU believe in. Therefore, the religious right and you are on the same moral ground. Congratulations for joining them in their piety.[/b][/quote]
So according to your logic, when Bush uses the tax money of those who are opposed to war to fight a war he is stealing from those people?

One wonders what kinds of checks and balances are inherent in the system to receive a PhD in goat fucking....

"Did you tickle Betsy's udders while thrusting from behind, Mr. Labret?"[/b][/quote]
man you have been posting some gems in this thread!! Both serious and funny! :P

I understand.[/b][/quote]
I can die happy now! :bjump:

Joe...I seeded ONE "hmmm.." today,
and I had a late lunch. I usually don't have lunches, they exhaust me.
I had lunch because this "hmmm..." wasn't a walk in the park.

do you mind if I recouperate a little BEFORE I attempt to put the second "hmmm.."?

I'm sure you'll use this break to analyze the difference between your
"I KNOW" and "My Opinion"

Second leaves room for debate,
the first assumes the possession of the undisputable FACT.

so, what is it, KNOW which is undisputed or Opinion which can be changed?[/b][/quote]
Are you telling me there are no undisputable facts, Serge?

I can die happy now! :bjump:[/b][/quote]
Good woman, I feel sympathy like Yeshua did for Magdalene ;)

:okthumb:



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Dec 2 2003, 12:48 PM

My son can read books, watch movies, TV shows, etc. tens and tens of times. I just can't. I need something to really hold my attention, and when I already know what's going to happen, I lose all interest. :(

There are a handful of movies I can watch more than once - Shawshank and Princess Bride are two I can think of off the bat, and I can watch repeats of West Wing for some reason, but the vast majority just bore me after the first time. I can't read ANY book more than once and I've tried.[/b][/quote]
Hmmm.. I know people like that. My dad is the same way.

You're comparing yourself to Jesus and me to a prostitute? :unsure:

You're comparing yourself to Jesus and me to a prostitute? :unsure:[/b][/quote]
comparing? not at all.

relating feelings, possibly.

prostitute?

Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute, she was a pagan priestess.

no prositute was given 2 names in the old days.





Last edited by Fletch XXX at Dec 2 2003, 12:52 PM

Whew - another 3rd grade dropout like me? Forget about me sleeping with you, I need to start hanging with your Dad! :P

One of the legitimate uses of tax money is national (or local) defense. The military, police, fire, etc....are universally absorbed in cost (but not equally). Your question begets the question, is the war in the security interests of the nation? If the answer is yes, you have your answer. If the answer is no, you have your answer also.

I think you could make a legitimate argument that YES, paying taxes for a war that was not strictly defensive in nature would be theft from people who did not support attacking another nation.

Consistency is a bitch.....people should try it some time.

True, she was a referred to as being "demon possessed" but many believe she was the prostitute referred to in the Bible who washed Jesus's feet with her hair.

Arguing about the Bible isn't something I plan to pursue. IMHO, the Bible means different things to everyone and for every reference you can show that says one thing, I can more than likely you find you another reference which will completely dispute it. :awinky:

True, she was a referred to as being "demon possessed" but many believe she was the prostitute referred to in the Bible who washed Jesus's feet with her hair.

Arguing about the Bible isn't something I plan to pursue. IMHO, the Bible means different things to everyone and for every reference you can show that says one thing, I can more than likely you find you another reference which will completely dispute it. :awinky:[/b][/quote]
Really, i cant argue with someone who doesnt really know anything about this subject.

Ive read books solely on Mary Magdalene, and am also into the history owhat she practised.

Here's a starting point.

http://www.thewhitemoon.com/mary/magdalene.html

If you can even read the whole thing.

I have EVEn read the texts called "Gospel According TO mary Magdalene"

Some more books on her?

http://bookstore.religionbooks.us/subject_...y_magdalene.htm

I have read i think over 7 books on her alone.

I will NOT waste my time arguing about if she was or was not a prostitute with someone who clearly has no knowledge of the subject.

go read and then we can have an intelligent discussion about Mary.

One of the legitimate uses of tax money is national (or local) defense.[/b][/quote]
See this is the problem, what is a legitimate use of tax money is something that is personal opinion.

As far as I am concerned, socialised medicine is a legitimate use of tax money. I also support things like government funding for the arts. Here in Australia we have an entire television network (ABC) that is taxpayer funded and I don't know ANY Australian who wants to see that change because it is well worth the money.

Legitimate use of tax money? Depends on what you believe.



Last edited by Joe Sixpack at Dec 2 2003, 01:02 PM

One of the legitimate uses of tax money is national (or local) defense. The military, police, fire, etc....are universally absorbed in cost (but not equally). Your question begets the question, is the war in the security interests of the nation? If the answer is yes, you have your answer. If the answer is no, you have your answer also.

I think you could make a legitimate argument that YES, paying taxes for a war that was not strictly defensive in nature would be theft from people who did not support attacking another nation.

Consistency is a bitch.....people should try it some time.[/b][/quote]
Diamond Jim,

My feeling on the matter is that government is evil and should be disbanded, but if I am going to be robbed, I want the proceeds going toward 2 things:

1) Investigating and destroying the lives of politicians

2) Killing people who are trying to kill me

See this is the problem, what is a legitimate use of tax money is something that is personal opinion.

As far as I am concerned, socialised medicine is a legitimate use of tax money. I also support things like government funding for the arts. Here in Australia we have an entire television network (ABC) that is taxpayer funded and I don't know ANY Australian who wants to see that change because it is well worth the money.

Legitimate use of tax money? Depends on what you believe.[/b][/quote]
Unfortunately, those of us who don't believe there are any legitimate uses of tax money don't get to opt out of paying taxes.

First of all, while the idea that taxation=theft may SOUND nice, in reality it's bogus. I don't even consider the money Bush is sending to the so-called faith based groups as 'stolen" from me. I sure as fuck don't like it - but it's not being stolen.

And I have never heard that Magdaline was a pagan princess, but I have heard that much scholoarship has been done on her in recent years, and it seems that the whole "Magdaline as prostitute" story may be a papist concoction from the 3rd century.

Unfortunately, those of us who don't believe there are any legitimate uses of tax money don't get to opt out of paying taxes.[/b][/quote]
If you don't think you should pay taxes then you should stop using government services and infrastructure.

You can start by not driving on the roads or using the toilet because the sewerage system is government funded. For someone who is as full of shit as you are this may be difficult.





Last edited by Joe Sixpack at Dec 2 2003, 01:09 PM

Well, by diggity, you're just SO much more "Magdalene" informed than I am - I'm very impressed! :)
Yeah, I'll get right on that - reading books so I have what YOU consider an "intelligent discussion" about one person on a webmaster message board. :rolleyes:

Nah, in keeping with my 3rd grade dropout education, I'm headed out to see "The Cat in the Hat" at the movie theater. :okthumb:

What would a group of guys do to a weoman who was held over them by jesus?

They labeled her a prostitue to kill her name and what she did.

After christs death, the disciples fought for control, and this should be of no surprise.

As I have said, read, then we can discuss it.

I have been fascinated with the Black Madonna for years, even painting virgin mary statues black for friends as gifts.

putting on sped helmet, its gonna be a bumpy ride.

Go read those books, dammit! That's the only way you can hope to have an "intelligent discussion" about her with the resident expert. :o

:awinky:

Well, if you want to have a discussion you should at least know something about the topic.

Spouting off she was a possessed prostitute right off the bat to someone who has is genuinely interested in the topic isnt really going to get you far, or impress anyone.

So now, not even the bible and its charachters can be intelligent discussion, this is why we could never have an intelligent discussion.

You couldnt be part of an intelligent discussion.

Youve made this quite obvious.

Peaches, from now on, I wont even try to talk to you.

It ALWAYS brings my IQ down when I do.



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Dec 2 2003, 01:13 PM

Didnt claim to be anything but prepatred for the topic.

You seem to be threatened by your own ignorance of the topic.

Not my fault.

Actually, I agree with you....it IS my opinion only.

I am willing to entertain the concept that you can opt-out of any social safety net, including something as basic as police or fire support, just as I think you should be able to opt out of funding liberal arts. If you don't want to pay, no liberal television network for you! Similarly, if you don't believe in the concept of paying for the police dept, they don't come to your house if needed and don't investigate if you are robbed or shot in the face.

As I've stated before, we have the unfortunate task of choosing between philosophical ideals and practical reality. My question has been, and continues to be for the purpose of this thread, HOW do people come to the conclusions and contradictions that they do? What force acts upon them to help them determine that THEY are right and others are wrong?

Go read those books, dammit! That's the only way you can hope to have an "intelligent discussion" about her with the resident expert. :o

:awinky:[/b][/quote]
I'm sorry ... I'm in the middle of DeGaulle's memoirs, 2/3rds of the way through a book on the Civil Rights movement from 1963-1965, am re-re-re-reading "The Cardinal and The Kremlin", and anxiously awaiting tonights' episode of NYPD Blue.

I will, however put it on my to-do list, with at LEAST as high a priority as you do.

Really, i cant argue with someone who doesnt really know anything about this subject.

Ive read books solely on Mary Magdalene, and am also into the history owhat she practised.

Here's a starting point.

http://www.thewhitemoon.com/mary/magdalene.html

If you can even read the whole thing.

I have EVEn read the texts called "Gospel According TO mary Magdalene"

Some more books on her?

http://bookstore.religionbooks.us/subject_...y_magdalene.htm

I have read i think over 7 books on her alone.

I will NOT waste my time arguing about if she was or was not a prostitute with someone who clearly has no knowledge of the subject.

go read and then we can have an intelligent discussion about Mary.[/b][/quote]
ahahahhahahahaha Phuleeeze your primary reference is written by :-

""Amy Topham (Lotus Moonwise)

Amy Topham is 25 years old and lives in Beaverton, Oregon with her husband, Keith (who she met online) and her three children, Cameron (7), Duncan (6) and Shannon (3). She unschools her children year-round. She has been a spiritual seeker all her life, and her current focus is on teaching others through her experiences and through writing, and is currently attending school to become a licensed massage therapist. She follows an eclectic Pagan path and is currently going through a course of study to become a High Priestess. She also is interested in working with highly aware children and creating a "freeschool" for them in her local area. Her dream is to open a Mind/Body/Spirit Wellness Center and to create a loving community."""""""


Classic!!!

I'm convinved!

primary reference?

what are you talking about Nick, i simply gave the woman a place to go find info on the subject, did I argue any points of which of those books ive read?

nope.

keep digging people.

You have some interesting beliefs , fletch. :-)

Just out of interest why do you assume that the ABC is a"liberal" television network?

beliefs?

nah, i just took a lot of Theology in college.

forgive me for expaning my knowledge in subjects i am genuiniely interested in.

some like sports, i read books on religion.

isnt it obvious?

:groucho:

Mary Magdalene was a communist!

Discuss amongst yourselves..

Torone, logging in under somebody else's name is a no-no.

Just out of interest why do you assume that the ABC is a"liberal" television network?[/b][/quote]
I don't assume that. I don't know anything about it. I was typing liberal too many times and don't have a tendency to go back and edit my posts.

You're a fraud and don't know shit!

(Sorry....all debates turn to arguing over the posters credentials and abilities rather than the things being discussed. Was just trying to get a jump start on it this time.)