Don McLean's American Pie makes me puke. Sorry Vick... <_<

hahahaha no shit Serge?? You'd ave a hell of a time doing that with me I can tell ya. Me and gravity are very well acquainted. Id give Arnold a hernia! heh heh

spaz[/b][/quote]
well, I had mitigating circumstances....my daughter was 3 days old, just out of the hospital, and I don't even remember now what set me off...

well, I had mitigating circumstances....my daughter was 3 days old, just out of the hospital, and I don't even remember now what set me off...[/b][/quote]
Maybe I should restate what I said
I mean I would like to see that in Theory Only! LOL I dont even wanna think about how pissed I would have to get someone for them to toss me out a door...............and then forget why they did it!!. I would imagine I'd have a lot worse things to worry about then the bump on the ass I'd get when I landed

spaz

Spaz, it was over 15 years ago and the guy is dead now...heart attack
;-((
all kinda irrelevant...

No need to be sorry

That's why there are different flavors of Ice Cream

I throughly enjoy the writing as McLean metaphorically describes how Rock died to him with the coming of the Beatles/the 60's and the end of the 50's era music - no more sock hops :( and many other meaningful things

For me it is an amazing piece of work

People's reactions towards Labret are always entertaining and educational. Labret has excellent debating skills, and I've always enjoyed reading threads involving his thoughts.

These boards would be fairly boring places if they were full of people that shared your opinions.

well said and very true


One thing has occurred to me, Labret is educated but is like ....

.... a man who thinks he is the best sex in the world because he has studied sex for 10 years ......

.... but has never had sex

What Labret has shared here thus far is all (theory) from study and no practical experiences or application

and it's doesn't matter if you studied sex from people who have had the most amazing documented sexual experiences ....

.... it's not the same until you do it yourself


I used sex as an example because it's something everyone can relate to

Hmm.. I have to disagree with you there. I haven't seen any posts by labret that would indicate he has no practical experience. You only say that. :)

edit: bad wording.



Last edited by TeenGodFather at Nov 24 2003, 09:45 PM

I find it interesting how all these Labret threads can manage to be so long and yet are always full of people that declare that they don't care about Labret, his opinions mean nothing, and he lacks intelligence.

In the next "Labret is an idiot" thread, the same people will be back to declare that they don't care about Labret, his opinions mean nothing, and he lacks intelligence.

Why do people make it a habit to repeatedly engage someone they feel is an unintelligent meaningless individual?



Last edited by BRISK at Nov 24 2003, 09:56 PM

TGF - if you read though al the conversations Labret often references studies but never actual field work

- see the top of this thread for an example
Not that he had an actual relationship (which he said he had 2) or interviewed anyone from a relationship

Or 2 references to "Members of Frankfurt School" in This Thread but no evidence of field work or practical experience such as being an A & R person or being chosen as a consultant for his knowledge in the field

TGF do you have any funny pics (or more stories), you're really good with those - like maybe one of you in the Ballerina outfit you mentioned earlier :biglaugh:


BRISK - I'll now say he is educated but lacking in actual experience and see my post above for further thoughts on the subject

Nope. I have nothing :(

I need to pull out my camera soon. I haven't been drinking in months = no funny stuff to post.

TGF- Looking at the face in your avatar and reading the caption below it is classic!

Good night to all
.... and to all a good night

Valid question. Still, it makes me wonder ...

Why does someone who obviously considers himself so much smarter than everyone else continue to bother with us commoners?

Entertainment? :) hehe.. study?

A good question.

If I had to guess, I would say it has something to do with his interest in the social sciences. He enjoys studying why people do what they do, and why people think what they think. Interacting and observing the personalities on these boards could be considered a form of research for him?

I think these boards are a goldmine for anyone who enjoys studying human behaviour and personality disorders.



Last edited by BRISK at Nov 24 2003, 10:48 PM

Entertainment? :) hehe.. study?[/b][/quote]
Study? Study what? The behavior of artificial (internet) personas?

And if it's entertainment, it would seem to be like watching the same episode of the same television show every night.



Last edited by PornoDoggy at Nov 25 2003, 01:48 AM

And just for shits and giggles, just how would I would gain practical experience in applied Marxism and critical theory of the Frankfurt School (which consisted of a small group of German intellectuals in the very early part of the 20th century, it was not a literal educational insititution, but a school of thought)? A revolutionary in some small banana republic?

I suppose fields like philosophy and theology are meaningless as they deal with subject matter they cannot see, touch, or smell. Just how exactly would a philosopher and theologian conduct field work to your satisfaction?

That is some ignorant shit. For someone who claims that their lives experiences are all you need, I from this point on will render any and all statements you make concerning anything at all null and void simply due to the fact that you have not conducted any formal research into the subject matter.

For the last time, and for the sake of brevity, my field studies man and culture. Unless I am somehow removed from society and not subject to the forces of nature, I am immersed in them on a daily basis. Unlike people in this industry, I cannot turn off my camera or monitor. I am in my work environment 24 hours a day.

So let me see if I got this straight. I cannot comment on the kinship patterns of pre-industrial patrilineal cultures, because I have done no formal hands on research pre-1700? Please forgive my limitations.

You truly are an idiot. The foundations of any academic field rests upon the bedrock of others research. Next time any of my professors attempt to tell me about neanderthal burial rituals or feminist Marxist thought, I will simply stand up and proclaim that they are fucking idiots as they have no hands on experience with neanderthals nor can they as a man ever truly understand and critique feminist Marxism.

I really suggest you attend some secondary education, surely your area has a community college.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 24 2003, 11:06 PM

Sung to the tune of "The Family Affair" sitcom....

"NOBODY Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaares

NOBODY Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaares

NOBODY Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaares

NOBODY Caaaaaaaaaaaaares"

Valid question. Still, it makes me wonder ...

Why does someone who obviously considers himself so much smarter than everyone else continue to bother with us commoners?[/b][/quote]

I used to ask myself that all the time.

On one hand its ethnomethodology.

But on the other hand, sometimes I get discouraged and lose touch with why I am doing what I am doing.

You idiots ground me. You make me realize why there is a need for higher education. Without you I sometimes forget the value of an education. Your criticism and your struggle make me fight harder for my goal. I need people like Vick and Amp as examples. Nothing makes me hit the books harder than a day like this.

And again, its not like I came on just swinging my dick. Others call my intelligence into question and I am made to defend myself. And you people hate that.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 24 2003, 11:54 PM

yet they continue to post.

yet they continue to post.[/b][/quote]
I use "NOBODY" in the literary sense that Labret says "NOBODY" wants to have children, of course...

Were you at the last Montreal Expo by chance?

Were you at the last Montreal Expo by chance?[/b][/quote]
No, I couldn't make it. If memory serves, I was busy wallowing in misery and commiting emotional suicide with my wife of 20 years...

BRISK, what an interesting point of view. but your point is more than likely invalid. Your assuming that although someone may state their opinion about Labret, they they do in fact care about what he is saying, whether it is intelligent blah blah blah.
When the obvious observation is that, for the majority of this thread any ways, the other posters care not about him, his perceived intelligence or any of that. But more about the CONTENT of his stated beliefs. I don't have to care about whether or not he would like to see a dirty bomb blow up the Mall of America, it is a hypothetical situation that I do have an opinion on, and may have a desire to state my opinion. If a poster brings up a topic on a board and I feel compelled to address it, don't confuse that with caring or not caring one little bit one way or the other for that person/character, but rather as a stated opinion of the subject matter.


spaz

Yeah, pretty much. Except for entertainment value (they may make one think, but for real world application they are meaningless. You think a factory worker gives a shit about philosophy or theology? If you do, kindly tell me how it effects his daily life)
you show off! :nyanya:
Yeah, DO THAT, then let us know if they get emotional during the ensuing debate. THAT would be an interesting fact to know.
Well, You very welcome. I for one am glad I could help you to hit those books harder young man.

spaz

And why would we care what a factory worker values?

How do theology and philosophy impact you on a daily basis? For one, in case you did not happen to notice, christians run the country. And not just any old brand of bland Jesus worship, evangelicals are in control. If you do not feel the theologians of the conservative christian right have any impact over policy that effect your daily life, you need to pull your head out of your ass. Ashcroft and porn, enough said.

Shall we discuss the impact of militant Islam on your life now?

And you wonder why people want to kill you.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 25 2003, 12:24 AM

Look Labret, I dont have the time, energy, inclination or vocabulary to tell you exactly WHY it matters what a factory worker thinks. Your understanding of REAL WORLD nobility (meaning, the noble acts of the real world, with all its imperfections and uneducated oafs like me) is limited at best. A lot has been said about you isolating yourself in the world of Acadamia. whatver the heck that is. Your distain for average Americans is quite obvious, and has been stated repeatedly by you. I do have the luxury of having met and talked with, even formed friendships with a variety of people from a wide range of socio-economic backgrounds. I can honestly say that I never really noted any huge differences in the 'content of their character' that was due to their education level. When I was digging ditches for Stackhouse Inc did I meet losers? Hell yes, drooling morons that I had no desire to interact with at all, but I also met hard working, honest men who were doing what needed to be done, and for the most part enjoyed what they were doing. You dont have the ability to see beyond your own perceptions and I suspect you have no desire to. Its a shame that someone who claims to have such a keen interest in society and cultures is really so clueless about the very one he lives in. This is the real world education that so many others and myself tried to point out to you.
As for who is running the country, I do have some concerns about Bush and Ashcroft as I have stated on this very board on a couple of occassions, but guess what............tomorrow, people all across this country and going to get up, shower and get dressed and go to work. The exact same as they did during the Clinton admin, and just like they did the days following 9/11. The impact that theology and philosophy has on a day to day basis is limited at best, and in the eyes of many people who still have to work for a living, is more suited for discussion among the intellectual elite while the common man, who in actuality makes everything work, just gets on with the real business of 'running this country'

spaz

Oh, puuuu-leaze.

I've met a number of factory workers with opinions on philosophy and theology that I respect more than any number of academics I've met - mainly because their opinions quite often have a real-world quality that academia cannot seem to grasp.

One doesn't need a graduate degree to understand the politcs of the evangelical so-called Christians, or the fury of the mullahs.

An elitist pig is an elitist pig - it doesn't matter if the elitist is a born-again bozo, an Islamic terrorist, or a self-absorbed self-described Marxist.



Last edited by PornoDoggy at Nov 25 2003, 03:47 AM

:okthumb: :okthumb: THAT was fucking eloquent. No shit. I worked in factories in the past and the ONLY way to get past the mind numbing boredom is to have really good discussions about a wide range of topics with the people around you.
Very well said pornodoggy :wnw:

spaz

And where in my response did I say that someone needed a graduate level education to see the impact of theology and philosophy on the life of your common factory worker?

The fact of the matter is, many many Americans think like Spaz. They pay no mind to such matters. The war on terror that is dictating an asburd amount of policy of this country has theological underpinnings. They do not see it, nor do they want to see it. How can someone like Spaz possibly understand the current war on terror without even a basic understanding of the theological and philosophical foundations of the people involved? I will argue that he cannot understand it, and that he does not understand it.

His initial statement that theology and philosophy do not affect the daily life of the common joe is so freakishly false it almost makes me sick to my stomach, and only serve to further prove any point I make.

I am not a Marxist. That is another thing I never understood about you people. Just because I will use Marxist theory to critique aspects of popular culture, I am now a Marxist? I also agree with the feminist approach to the critique of the nuclear family. Am I a feminist? I agree with neocon arguments about immigration, am I a neocon?

Idiot.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 25 2003, 01:05 AM

BRISK, what an interesting point of view. but your point is more than likely invalid. Your assuming that although someone may state their opinion about Labret, they they do in fact care about what he is saying, whether it is intelligent blah blah blah.
When the obvious observation is that, for the majority of this thread any ways, the other posters care not about him, his perceived intelligence or any of that. But more about the CONTENT of his stated beliefs. I don't have to care about whether or not he would like to see a dirty bomb blow up the Mall of America, it is a hypothetical situation that I do have an opinion on, and may have a desire to state my opinion. If a poster brings up a topic on a board and I feel compelled to address it, don't confuse that with caring or not caring one little bit one way or the other for that person/character, but rather as a stated opinion of the subject matter.


spaz[/b][/quote]
I disagree.

I think these people that continue to engage Labret DO care about what he has to say. His opinions bother them, and they feel they need to score a "win" against him, so they continue to engage in a debate with him. Eventually, out of complete frustration and a realization that they haven't scored a "win" against him, they make the standard post declaring Labret to be an idiot in a last-ditch effort to somehow discredit him and his beliefs.

People are threatened by Labret. They're not secure enough with themselves to be content living in a world where people like Labret exist. They feel that people with Labret's opinions are a danger to their way of life, so they attempt to prove him wrong.

The problem people face when dealing with Labret is not just his opinions, but his knowledge and debating skills, and this is what I think frustrates people the most. He will exploit any weakness in their argument, and soon they'll be scrambling to keep up. Their frustration grows, they allow their emotions to cloud their better judgement, and then comes the desperate attempt to discredit him that I mentioned before.

While there might be some people who participate in Labret threads for the topic of the discussion alone, there are plenty who return over and over again because they have an inner-need to beat Labret at his own game.

People care about him and his beliefs, they're just too proud to admit it.

[LABRET] I’m finding it harder and harder to trudge through your posts. You are quite obviously a very intelligent individual with a unique set of views but I find that the style in which you debate leaves this ex-factory worker bored.

As with Spaz and PornoDoggy I’ve had many political and religious conversations while up to my neck in grease. The difference between those conversations and this thread is they where entertaining, y’see you got to keep us intellectually challenged folks interested or we just switch off and think about “That 70’s Show”.

This just shows how ignorant you are. You fired at Vick for claiming to know you and you capabilities through your board personality yet you do the same with Spaz and people like him!

I’m people like him and I feel I have a degree of understanding about the current war on terror, it might not match up to your over educated break down of daily life but I’ve got one at least.

Sir you are a bore!

I am glad you feel theology impacted policy on such things as abortion, civil rights, assisted suicide, illicit drugs, penal harm, and a myriad of other policy that dictate what I can and cannot do on a daily basis have zero impact on your life. Bravo.

First it was no impact, now it is limited impact.

One nation under God. God bless America. Nah, theology has no impact on a christian nation.

What? Because you so pointedly use my nick as your example do you expect me to come out guns blazing? Using all sorts of profanity? Labret, did you read a post I made earlier about the unit I was attached to in the USMC? Well probably not, so I will paraphrase it here for you.
I was in MCSFB Atl (thats the Marine Corps Security Forces Battalion Atlantic) and more specifically F.A.S.T. Co (That is Fleet Anti-terrorist Security Team Company..........6th Platoon) Ever hear of the Art of War? Yeah, me to. Whats its primary tenant? Again I shall paraphrase it for you, In order to defeat your enemy, you must first know your enemy. Simple. I know a thing or two about terrorism, terrorist and their methods and ideology. I studied that topic because quite litterally, my life depended on it. There you go with a broad generalization about a person you know nothing about. Here is what you knew about me prior to this post
1)I have and love my family
2)I respect the common man
Thats its. I dont claim to have any idea of subjects you are or are not qualified to to render an opinion on. Yet my pointing out to you the REALITY of life has caused you to have a mini-tirade pointing directly at me. Rest assured, it took three days but you ended up amusing me terribly. And I can say quite confidently.............
You are owned dear boy.You are the properety of this high school grad, fat lazy American heh heh
Thank you ever so much for playing.

spaz

And I bet they are quite stimulating. After 10 minutes I would beat you all to death with a hammer.

I was simply pointing out that Spaz feels he has little or no need to understand the impact of theology on his daily life. Therefore he cannot understand the war on terror. It was not a sweeping condemnation of his lack of brains in general. If that is how you take it, I suggest you reread it.

I thought the theological implications had little or no impact on your daily life? Now your life depends and or depended on it?

Make up your mind.

I was waiting for someone to drag out "owned" in their last ditch effort. I am sad it was you who resorted to it.

You were a Marine. All that means to me is you could not make it into any other branch of the military or college. Marines, first to die. I am not impressed. You got ate up by the machine, congrats.

owned. ahahah the word makes me laugh.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 25 2003, 01:30 AM

hehe, now THAT'S entertainment.

I disagree.

I think these people that continue to engage Labret DO care about what he has to say. His opinions bother them, and they feel they need to score a "win" against him, so they continue to engage in a debate with him. Eventually, out of complete frustration and a realization that they haven't scored a "win" against him, they make the standard post declaring Labret to be an idiot in a last-ditch effort to somehow discredit him and his beliefs.

People are threatened by Labret. They're not secure enough with themselves to be content living in a world where people like Labret exist. They feel that people with Labret's opinions are a danger to their way of life, so they attempt to prove him wrong.

The problem people face when dealing with Labret is not just his opinions, but his knowledge and debating skills, and this is what I think frustrates people the most. He will exploit any weakness in their argument, and soon they'll be scrambling to keep up. Their frustration grows, they allow their emotions to cloud their better judgement, and then comes the desperate attempt to discredit him that I mentioned before.

While there might be some people who participate in Labret threads for the topic of the discussion alone, there are plenty who return over and over again because they have an inner-need to beat Labret at his own game.

People care about him and his beliefs, they're just too proud to admit it.[/b][/quote]
BRISK while i respect the points your trying to make, and for some it may very well apply (I do believe this fat lazy American just scored a win) I do take issue with the use of the word 'care' as it applies to the character called Labret. I dont care for him as a person one way or the other. If I met him face to face I would not be inclined to hug or punch him. Talking with him in person would mean no more than not talking to him. However, I do enjoy debate to some extent and he and many others have provided a colorful one here for sure over the past few days and I was hooked from the offset. I enjoy using my mind (I get so few oppurtunities as even the most abismally simple things confouond me so heh heh) That I appreciate a chance to have a little mental sparring from time to time. But to assume I, or anyone else for that matter cares one little iota about him specifically could be considered woefully inaccurate.


spaz

Yes they were very stimulating at the time. As for “beating us to death with a hammer” all I can say is people like you have industrial accidents in the real world, not because you’re clumsy but because you’re condescending. Real people have a way of dealing with people like you.

Yes Labret, my life did depend on it. Does i now? In rural oHIo? I sorta doudt it. My studying of terrorist and their methodology points to the fact that they will go for the biggest bang for the buck. What are they gonna do? Blow up the pig farm down the road? Boy that'll inspire sheer terror in pastures all across this great country.
"oink BOOM splat"
"didya hear what happened to babe?? porkchops everywhere!"
I pay quite a bit of attention to the falacy of the 'war on terror' I watch on average of 5 hours of news programming a day (while I work) and I believe half of it. If i could tap into VOA I would. Bottom line is dear boy you are/were owned by me and here is my justification of it.
You declared how I couldnt possibly understand a topic that YOU chose. I didnt chose it, you did. And right in your face comes the FACT that I pobably have as good, if not better and certainly a more intimate knowledge of that subject than you could ever have. You can call it a last ditch effort, and some may agree with you, but I know the truth as it applies to me, and as you so eloquently stated repeatedly, thats all that matters because in your world only YOUR opinion, or those who think just like you or, dont wanna forget this, those you pay to abuse (oh sorry, I mean challenge) you, are the only opinions that matter

as far as this discussion goes, between you and I.............. I feel no need to continue. I may, because I dont find you a bore at all, but take your seriously? Not for a minute longer.


spaz (no capital in the nick............thanks)