There may be hope for you after all. :awinky:

There may be hope for you after all. :awinky:[/b][/quote]
Quiet in the peanut gallery.

PD, one example is all it took to refute that jackass' ridiculous statement that there is a checks and balances system which makes academic fraud impossible. That's all my intention was.

I can give you numberous examples of right-wing ideologues fabricating and distorting statistics in academia too.

He says academic fraud doesn't exist, I say it is rampant. I believe it's more rampant in some areas than others, and those areas are the ones controlled by agenda-driven leftists, but that's my opinion, it would be hard to prove; whereas, proving that fraud exists is much easier.

Summary: Idiot made stupid claim. I proved claim false with one example.

I never said "all leftist academics" do anything. I had two exceptional neo-Marxian (their word) Philosophy Profs, Dr. Vogt -- an Austrian guy and Dr. Mu, a Chinese woman, who used were as biased as the day is long. Yet, they were/are great teachers and completely academically honest. They exposed me to post-modern thought.

PD, Labret is a jackass, why would you want to take up for him?[/b][/quote]
Please consider it more a defense of my humble public school education.

I find the idea that private school education is automatically of more value than that from a public school patently absurd. Of more value on a resume, and of great value in networking - of course.

Frankly, the condescending arrogance that [labert] maintains in most of his posts isn't much different from yours in regards to public schools. Had I not read his posts I would have suspected private schools, perhaps Jesuits.

ok, "hmmm's" are fine by me.

Doubting is GOOD for the Mind.

and if I put a "hmmm's" in you and you look for MORE answers than the stats you posted and find the TRUTH yourself,
I will NOT steal your pleasure of correcting the "academia"
;-))

LMK if you need my help in research,
I have a few sources in mind, in Rusian, and I can help with translation.

cheers!

Quiet in the peanut gallery.[/b][/quote]
:wnw:

not for us, divorcees, who'd go EXTRA mile to keep poor children away from their stupid mothers
;-))))

;-))

Reading what's posted is excellent for discussion, which is what I thought we were doing..... :unsure:[/b][/quote]
no, youre going on about if i do or dont think reading equates blah blah blah and that knowledge is not found in books.

when all i did was say that i like to read a book more than once to make sure i grasp it, and in case i missed something.

i find it hard to communicate with someone who couldnt read the Divine Comedy more than once.



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Dec 2 2003, 10:58 AM

I have never heard of social justice. Stop making things up. Wait, look who I am asking.

I said you will not find rampant fraud "within" academia. Had his book gone before a review, as in an academic journal, it never would have made it to market and you wouldnt be able to dance around with it. He was a dumbfuck that thought because he was not subject to the checks and balances he would receive within academia he could further his agenda. Academia smoked him out.

If I started raping goats could you make the conclusion that goat raping is rampant in academia?

This is becoming redundant.



Last edited by [Labret] at Dec 2 2003, 11:01 AM

Heck, imagine how confused I am - I went to private kindergarten, public school from 1-4th grade, private school from 5-11th grade, then graduated from a public school. :zoinks:

And then we have my poor son who went to public school until HS and then graduated from a Charter school.

We're lost souls - we don't know where we fit on the graph. :(

Tell me about it! I went to an English public school and English public schools are private!!! ;-))))

A wiseman said :

"" A man who never admits making an error ,never needs to apologise. He also will never learn.""

;-)))

I see you obviously wanna cut "like serge" stage from 5 years to 4
;-)))))

Heck, imagine how confused I am - I went to private kindergarten, public school from 1-4th grade, private school from 5-11th grade, then graduated from a public school. :zoinks:

And then we have my poor son who went to public school until HS and then graduated from a Charter school.

We're lost souls - we don't know where we fit on the graph. :([/b][/quote]
I went to a suburban public school that had two-hour comprehensive finals each semester. I had friends come back from their first couple of year at Princeton and MIT swearing that none of their finals to that point had been as difficult as what we had in our senior year in high school.

My daughter graduated from an urban magnet school (in a class of 64) that sent about one-third of its graduates to Ivy League schools.

Are these typical? Nope. But when you get right down to it, I firmly believe that you were right in an earlier post when you said that there are illiterates who have a far better grasp on reality than many of the most educated people I know.

I've always operated under the (Mark Twain?) idea that I never let school interfere much with my education.



Last edited by PornoDoggy at Dec 2 2003, 02:11 PM

4 hours and 4 pages, you can take my check and buy Buff an Amazon.com Bookstore gift certificate.

Off to get some Hunan Beef. Back in a bit.

I see you obviously wanna cut "like serge" stage from 5 years to 4
;-)))))[/b][/quote]
One wonders what kinds of checks and balances are inherent in the system to receive a PhD in goat fucking....

"Did you tickle Betsy's udders while thrusting from behind, Mr. Labret?"

Please consider it more a defense of my humble public school education.

I find the idea that private school education is automatically of more value than that from a public school patently absurd. Of more value on a resume, and of great value in networking - of course.

Frankly, the condescending arrogance that [labert] maintains in most of his posts isn't much different from yours in regards to public schools. Had I not read his posts I would have suspected private schools, perhaps Jesuits.[/b][/quote]
The public schools are too politicized and buried under too much bureacracy to be as effective as private schools.

Besides, PD, I mostly use it as a barb -- I'm not nearly as elitist as I act like here.

One wonders what kinds of checks and balances are inherent in the system to receive a PhD in goat fucking....

"Did you tickle Betsy's udders while thrusting from behind, Mr. Labret?"[/b][/quote]
out for lunch
;-))))

fish!
no heart attacks for me with beef and cholesterol!
;-)))))

when we get back,
I'll tell you how that GOAT really was
;-))))

I have never heard of social justice. Stop making things up. Wait, look who I am asking.

I said you will not find rampant fraud "within" academia. Had his book gone before a review, as in an academic journal, it never would have made it to market and you wouldnt be able to dance around with it. He was a dumbfuck that thought because he was not subject to the checks and balances he would receive within academia he could further his agenda. Academia smoked him out.

If I started raping goats could you make the conclusion that goat raping is rampant in academia?

This is becoming redundant.[/b][/quote]
Dipshit, if he's making up shit and he teaches in the classroom, he's in violation of your claim. Period. How much longer are you going to argue this?

I fail to see what gives you the right to project your moral compass of "helping those less fortunate" on to other people (taxpayers). Therein lies the double standard of the liberal (just like the idiotic double standard of the conservative).

Logically, how do you disregard the moral standards of the conservative right while embracing those of the liberal left? You don't want the conservative right reaching into your life and telling you how you can access porn, who you can sleep with, what a woman can do with her body, etc....YET...you have no problem reaching into those conservative pockets to gather funds to "help the less fortunate"...even though they may disagree with YOU...

The theory that YOU (liberal YOU) know what's right for society and that your OPINION that someone shouldn't lose everything over a "mistake" or "choice" they have made, and that taxpayers who may not share this same view should shut up and pay anyway, is in complete contradiction to the ire expressed at the conservative right.

When you don't see anything wrong with one group of society FORCING their ideals on you ("I see no societal problem with helping our less fortunate" - Sykk), yet you moan and complain incessantly at the unfairness of the OTHER side trying to force THEIR morality on you, you walk the slippery slopes of a contradiction you can't escape from.[/b][/quote]
As Sykk appears to be unavailable for response at this time, how about another liberal taking a stab at the above? If you agree with Sykk that it's okay to force others into your ideals (helping the less fortunate thru the forced taxation of others), how do you logically admonish the conservative right for wanting to do away with porn? Both sides believe they are doing what's best for society in general (how convenient for them). There is no difference in either argument. How do you justify the contradiction?

PD? Alex? Todd?

I totally fucking disagree....

Words are words. They are used for particular emphasis, and in the appropriate forum (HERE), they are not only appreciated for their color, but for their ability to convey strong meaning....

"You are an imbecile" is not nearly as powerful as "you are a FUCKING imbecile...."[/b][/quote]
:okthumb:

As Sykk appears to be unavailable for response at this time, how about another liberal taking a stab at the above? If you agree with Sykk that it's okay to force others into your ideals (helping the less fortunate thru the forced taxation of others), how do you logically admonish the conservative right for wanting to do away with porn? Both sides believe they are doing what's best for society in general (how convenient for them). There is no difference in either argument. How do you justify the contradiction?

PD? Alex? Todd?[/b][/quote]
Why is it only the left who are into "forced" taxation?

How much is this war costing again? Who is paying for it? Where is the money coming from?

Joe, what exactly do you know about America and American politics/problems?

wanna hear MY opinion about municipal government of Brisbaine?

Joe, what exactly do you know about America and American politics/problems?

wanna hear MY opinion about municipal government of Brisbaine?[/b][/quote]
I'll bet I know more about your political system than 90% of Americans.

And yes, feel free to give me your opinion on how the Brisbane City Council are doing, but learn to spell Brisbane first. ;)

I'll bet I know more about your political system than 90% of Americans.

And yes, feel free to give me your opinion on how the Brisbane City Council are doing, but learn to spell Brisbane first. ;)[/b][/quote]
excelent! now we talking!

HOW MUCH are you willing to bet?

excelent! now we talking!

HOW MUCH are you willing to bet?[/b][/quote]
Okay, I'll bet $50.

Australian dollars.

:nyanya:

the sewr taxes are OUTRAGES, and 90% of brissies agree with me!

I don't contend that only the left is into forced taxation. The right is equally slimy in principle, but in action, their ideology is to steal LESS.

Why do you use "forced" as if it's really not by force?

Bah. Everyone knows more about America in general than most Americans.

you won,
it ain't worth my time to work my ass off for 50 $AU
;-)))


wanna parlay those money into the next bet?
;-))

http://www3.niu.edu/newsplace/castaway.jpg

yep.

P.S. if you rather preffer $50 AU cash-
just send me $20AU for shipping expenses
;-))))

good idea, Fletch!

so, Joe, who have won the last Presidential elections and why?

hold on to your $50, another bet is coming
;-)))

Don't forget, I'm dumb. B)

Quite honestly, I rarely read books to "learn". While there ARE some which I enjoy learning from, I almost always read for strictly for entertainment. My attention span is short so magazine, newspaper, internet articles hold my interest better and teach me more than reading a book would do.[/b][/quote]
Even reading for entertainment purposes I often read things twice. Hell, I have books I've read 15-20 times because I enjoy them so much.

I don't contend that only the left is into forced taxation. The right is equally slimy in principle, but in action, their ideology is to steal LESS.

Why do you use "forced" as if it's really not by force?[/b][/quote]
Because it's no more "forced" than me being "forced" to pay for something that I walk out of a store with.

In Australia my taxes go towards lots of things I like - parks, roads, medical care for all, libraries, art galleries etc. I am getting something for my money. Hell, I don't even mind paying for welfare. What do I get out of that? I don't have to see people with styrofoam coffee cups begging for money on the streets of my city.

Sure I end up contributing to things I don't like but I'd still rather pay for welfare than warmongering.





Last edited by Joe Sixpack at Dec 2 2003, 12:33 PM

:rokk:

Bah. Everyone knows more about America in general than most Americans.[/b][/quote]
It's not difficult.

My son can read books, watch movies, TV shows, etc. tens and tens of times. I just can't. I need something to really hold my attention, and when I already know what's going to happen, I lose all interest. :(

There are a handful of movies I can watch more than once - Shawshank and Princess Bride are two I can think of off the bat, and I can watch repeats of West Wing for some reason, but the vast majority just bore me after the first time. I can't read ANY book more than once and I've tried.

Because it's no more "forced" than me being "forced" to pay for something that I walk out of a store with.

In Australia my taxes go towards lots of things I like - parks, roads, medical care for all, libraries, art galleries etc. I am getting something for my money. Hell, I don't even mind paying for welfare. What do I get out of that? I don't have to see people with styrofoam coffee cups begging for money on the streets of my city.[/b][/quote]
Wow!

What happens if you don't pay your taxes in Oz?

I know who won the last presidential election.

Why? Well that'll just be my opinion won't it, Serge?

You can't win a bet based on my opinion versus your opinion.

Youve never picked up a book that held your attention?

What about books of essays?

Did you go to college at all?