Mike , I hate to say it but I agree with you 100%.

I did not think the criticism was that marked anyways.

I am so fucking glad I no longer have a board and do not have to worry about these dramas anymore. ;-))))))

I used to get 2am calls commencing "Have you read the board?...."

Because someone had taken affront from someone and had spat the dummy.

;-)))

Since no one will say it I will

I'm the villain, I chased Shemp away (again this is all business/board bullshit and has nothing to do with anyone or anything personally)

How did I do it? By raising points, asking questions, voicing discontent, not being satisfied with the statue quo, poking into what I consider to be a terrible business model, posting numbers - nothing personal, only business

What happened to Oprano - more Ideas than a Think Tank?
That doesn't happen with just one side of any issue

I don't want to go back to the past, I want to move into the future and consider ways in increase profits

Many seem to want to suck the TGP tit, fine that's on you but what happens when that tit goes dry? It's drying up now and many keep trying to suck it. Obviously from my point of view it's one of the worst business models ever in any business - read through this entire thread - I've stated the whys over and over

Many say it's what is going on in the industry, sorry you feel content to accept that

I really wish many in this business had balls to innovate and not follow the crowd.

An all text link site would be beautiful (I have one), let the sponsors do what they do best, sell and convert and affiliates move the traffic.

Afraid to lose the bookmarkers you get from 50,000 free pics a day? - do you think they really buy or just waste time, efforts and bandwidth. Have some balls and find out, get rid of the freeloaders.

TGP is at the point of diminishing returns, you're going to keep getting less on your returns so one day you'll have to do something else - now is a great time to start
Cut down your time spent and do other profitable things!

I have no remorse over anything I posted here, I do feel bad that Gonzo put effort on getting a poster here (of some renown) who felt they needed to leave when their business model was challenged
Maybe someone should have posted treat with kid gloves, allow to post anything without questioning, suck up and treat like a demagogue (ok I'm overstating the issue here)

In closing the immortal words of Axl Rose
"You get nothing for nothing if that's what you do"

or
"Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen"

Vick I think you have raised some good points, and I read your posts as something useful - a different perspective, while I do not agree with all of the conclusions (ex. that it will be the end of the industry), then I do agree with your opinion about which direction we have been going with the TGP model.
I also agree with Shemp´s view on mass produced hosted galleries, and with his remark about too much being free/easy for the average webmasters to start new TGPs. However we can not make either go away, but we can try and change them to the better. If we look at TGPs from a business view instead of an emotional view, then we can improve many areas at tgps, paysites and affiliates - these are the areas I would like to discuss... if we do nothing, then change will still come, however question is, if we want to be a part of it. I would like to be part of it - would you?

Oh my, all this because this masterp guy tried to take a stab at KC?

KK, masterp might have thrown a stone at KC, but accendently it landed into the think tank, and soon it caused rings in the water, which were headed away from the original point without looking back... maybe the next time we do not need to throw stones into the think tank to cause movement, prehaps we just need someone to make a belly flop into the tank with her/his thoughts/ideas/concepts :awinky:

It appears the bellyflop contest had a casualty this time already.

Vick, yes I noticed you posted your point over and over and over and over .... and you are still posting it over and over and over ... how many of the responses did you actually read and accept as someone else's valid opinion without trying to prove your point over and over again? You were hell bent on proving a point which was patronizing, insulting and assumed that shemp is a moron who just hasn't figured out you are right yet.

We all know how you feel about tgp's because we've all shared the same thoughts at 1 time or another ... but one of the princes of this industry was just brought into this community so that perhaps we could learn to understand HOW we can work an overall industry change for the future. If anyone can do it its the webmasters at this board combined with a bit of outside knowledge.

But sometimes it disgusts me how closed minded the old timers have become. "My Way or the Highway" ... its a real shame.

Shemp has a successful tgp. Gonzo put in a lot of work to make a plan for the future.

But thanks to a few who were so hell bent on proving their point to themselves, we no longer have a tgp expert.

Why should a successful person need to prove themselves to any one of us? Nobody here has anything to offer shemp he doesn't already have, but the same doesn't apply in reverse.

Mike, your attitude surprises me most. Of all the people who should have their ears open more often than their mouth in shemp's presence, its purecash. But you must know all about tgp's already ...

*shaking head*

I'm still shocked by this thread ... i really thought when it came down to it we were mature and intelligent enough to open our minds long enough to hear someone else's opinion.

I guess not.

yeah, thick skin helps, when doing bellyflops :)

I actual feel the opposite - like I posted earlier, than I didn´t see a negative trend in the debate... I saw questions, which might have needed more than a "one line answer" - this might have been overwhelming for one person who also have other things to take care of, and throwing in the white towel was the fast way out of a possible long exchange of thoughts.

There were no personal attacks (well beside the masterp/KC exchange), and I think its fair for Shemp to decide his time is better used elsewhere. But that doesn´t mean that the TGP subject is now dead at Oprano - it just means we need to move on - maybe Shemp will return, when he has more time.

In the meantime the TGP experience on Oprano is not newbie, so CJ do not panic - we should able to put 2+2 together ;-) (I actual think Shemp already gave 90% of all the wisdom behide present TGPs in one of his first posts).

KK, you know more than well 2 months ago. KC went over to J----B---M and accused me of having spywareon my poker shit. Guess what, I didn't have any. So Fuck him for trying to ruin my name. . He took the first stab at me. I am showing him by having this thread, karma is a bitch :matey:







Plus, The title of the thread is true and it came from a very powerful voice in this industry. Patrick from the hun.

I actual feel the opposite - like I posted earlier, than I didn´t see a negative trend in the debate... I saw questions, which might have needed more than a "one line answer" - this might have been overwhelming for one person who also have other things to take care of, and throwing in the white towel was the fast way out of a possible long exchange of thoughts.

There were no personal attacks (well beside the masterp/KC exchange), and I think its fair for Shemp to decide his time is better used elsewhere. But that doesn´t mean that the TGP subject is now dead at Oprano - it just means we need to move on - maybe Shemp will return, when he has more time.

In the meantime the TGP experience on Oprano is not newbie, so CJ do not panic - we should able to put 2+2 together ;-) (I actual think Shemp already gave 90% of all the wisdom behide present TGPs in one of his first posts). [/b][/quote]
so repeatedly telling someone their business model doesn't work and is the downfall of the industry is not negative?

ok, silly me.

carry on!

Vick, yes I noticed you posted your point over and over and over and over .... and you are still posting it over and over and over ... how many of the responses did you actually read and accept as someone else's valid opinion without trying to prove your point over and over again? You were hell bent on proving a point which was patronizing, insulting and assumed that shemp is a moron who just hasn't figured out you are right yet.

We all know how you feel about tgp's because we've all shared the same thoughts at 1 time or another ... but one of the princes of this industry was just brought into this community so that perhaps we could learn to understand HOW we can work an overall industry change for the future. If anyone can do it its the webmasters at this board combined with a bit of outside knowledge.

But sometimes it disgusts me how closed minded the old timers have become. "My Way or the Highway" ... its a real shame.

Shemp has a successful tgp. Gonzo put in a lot of work to make a plan for the future.

But thanks to a few who were so hell bent on proving their point to themselves, we no longer have a tgp expert.

Why should a successful person need to prove themselves to any one of us? Nobody here has anything to offer shemp he doesn't already have, but the same doesn't apply in reverse.

Mike, your attitude surprises me most. Of all the people who should have their ears open more often than their mouth in shemp's presence, its purecash. But you must know all about tgp's already ...

*shaking head*

I'm still shocked by this thread ... i really thought when it came down to it we were mature and intelligent enough to open our minds long enough to hear someone else's opinion.

I guess not. [/b][/quote]
CJ - this is another time we have difference of opinion :inlove:

Different strokes for different folks

and so on and so on and scoobie doobie doobie

and a shit sandwich is always going to be a shit sandwich no matter how you dress it up

Oh and I don't think that anyone who does over $300,000 per year is a moron (my lowball good guestmate), I may think more could be earned though - by everyone

so repeatedly telling someone their business model doesn't work and is the downfall of the industry is not negative?

ok, silly me.

carry on! [/b][/quote]
I never said it didn't work

I did say it may be hitting the point of diminishing returns and it is one of the worst business models I've ever seen anywhere (very short sighted, but if you can earn your millions and get out, more power to you)

I still love ya C.Jayne :inlove: :awinky:

what if you earn millions and ...... keep earning millions? you made an uneducated assumption.

you can't fix the problem from outside in Vick ...

and i still luv u too :inlove:

If we were talking about recurrings, xsales, mailings, traffic country filtering etc. all those things paysites do to make money, which many webmasters find a harm to the industry, then I wouldn´t take it personal, if someone told me that those things were a negative to the industry. If I disagreed with the comments then I would say so, if they gave good comment/views/ideas etc. then I would listen. There is no correct way to run a business - its always changing, and the way you find out is when income/profits drops, however there are usual warning signs before this happens - one of them being comments/ideas/concepts from others, so it often pays to listen.

You could try and convince me that my person was the downfall of the industry, and then I might take it personal, however saying that the way business is done will be the downfall, well thats just business - nothing personal.

I have seen too many people loose part of their personality, because their business failed in which they had invested so much of themself... all business will eventual fail - everything is on time.. what you got today, could be gone in 1 year, so do not take it personal in business - it will only end up hurting more than its worth.

KK, you know more than well 2 months ago. KC went over to J----B---M and accused me of having spywareon my poker shit. Guess what, I didn't have any. So Fuck him for trying to ruin my name. . He took the first stab at me. I am showing him by having this thread, karma is a bitch :matey:

Plus, The title of the thread is true and it came from a very powerful voice in this industry. Patrick from the hun.[/b][/quote]
Actually, I asked you if there was any truth to the thread at 2+2. Thanks for reminding me about that issue. So any updates on that??

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthre...=5&o=14&fpart=1

I also questioned your judgement about infringing on the World Poker Tour's trademarks and copyrights. I see you took half of my advice and came up with an original logo.

On at least 3 seperate occasions you've told me you've moved on... Yet you continue to come back and take new stabs at me.

In this thread you call the Hun " very powerful voice in this industry"... but on the SAME DAY you post in a GFY thread titled "thehun sucks for sales (but we already knew that)" and you said:

Maybe you should spend more time trying to get a sale and less time flapping your gums? Just a suggestion! :wacko:

CJ, Rolo
You have a very good point about working from the inside
Thanks :)

KK, you know more than well 2 months ago. KC went over to J----B---M and accused me of having spywareon my poker shit. Guess what, I didn't have any. So Fuck him for trying to ruin my name. . He took the first stab at me. I am showing him by having this thread, karma is a bitch


Plus, The title of the thread is true and it came from a very powerful voice in this industry. Patrick from the hun. [/b][/quote]
Haha, Patrick isn't from the Hun, he IS the Hun.

I'd be careful counting my karma before it hatched in some situations. I've known KC for a long time, one day less than I've known MikeAI as a matter of fact, and he's been a good friend and a good person to do business with over the years.

Actually, I asked you if there was any truth to the thread at 2+2. Thanks for reminding me about that issue. So any updates on that??

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthre...=5&o=14&fpart=1

I also questioned your judgement about infringing on the World Poker Tour's trademarks and copyrights. I see you took half of my advice and came up with an original logo.

On at least 3 seperate occasions you've told me you've moved on... Yet you continue to come back and take new stabs at me.

In this thread you call the Hun " very powerful voice in this industry"... but on the SAME DAY you post in a GFY thread titled "thehun sucks for sales (but we already knew that)" and you said:

Maybe you should spend more time trying to get a sale and less time flapping your gums? Just a suggestion! :wacko: [/b][/quote]
Yo dickhead, I posted about havving no sales at all.(not at the hun) are you really that stupid? I think not.

Haha, Patrick isn't from the Hun, he IS the Hun.

I'd be careful counting my karma before it hatched in some situations. I've known KC for a long time, one day less than I've known MikeAI as a matter of fact, and he's been a good friend and a good person to do business with over the years. [/b][/quote]
good for you KK, to me he is a bitch and I don't need bitches in my life.

Masterp74: 13th All Time Poster at Oprano.com

at least KC has done something, built something and has a name in the biz. what do you do besides being the "13th all time poster on oprano".

I don't think you should be allowed in the room when the grown ups are talking.

I consider KC to be a great friend, and a wonderful business person.

I am fortunate to have friends like KC!

This thread is a major train wreck. Everytime I look at it I am disgusted on several levels.

I'm not gonzo. I'm about to hit the 200 replied mark. Only a few elite have done that here at oprano.com

and only a few morons think that it means something.

grow up. shut up. read. listen and learn.

Thats a bit harsh JR!!

Are you saying Confucy and Brad are not an elite group to be a part of?!?!!?!

200 REPLIES!!!!!!!!! Thats the meaning of life right there!!!

that's for helping CJ. don't forget it's going to be a 2000 views thread as well(without any pics in it.) :okthumb:

that's for helping CJ. don't forget it's going to be a 2000 views thread as well(without any pics in it.) :okthumb: [/b][/quote]
congratulations.

i think you won a 96' Camaro

congratulations.

i think you won a 96' Camaro [/b][/quote]
Actually, it takes 3000 views to get the '96... 2000 only wins an '86 Camero covered with Bondo and primer!

:agrin:

Thanks mike... You and Katie are great friends too. :)

mho...

as the crooked bastard of Oprano.

Serge , do not make people join your own vendetta. (but I will) they may be yr friend..,....
Brad...you are a gutless dickless peice of shit who is fortunate to have classy people on yr side.
MasterP...you are nothing...until you accept you are the peon you are...fuck you...

Greenguy , I count as a friend...class all the way...fuck you, maserp, He has been a guest in my house and was a perfect gentlemen.


KC...(I met him once ...class he added MEAT to my soup)...class guy...you , masterp do not have the right to swell the wind from his ass

Masterp , you pick fights with people who you are not worthy to even mention...fuck you...beeeeeeyatch!!!!!!

In vino veritas....

fucking absinthe.... ;-))))

Serge , as an old friend...masterp is the biggest cunt in christendom...lose him!!!!

..ok wheres the green fairy.....


;-))))

I am a crook...but I am.......

well , masterp , I take solace in the fact...

I am not you...

fuck off...

now THAT is how you do a drunken rant folx!

:wnw:

If you think thats something you should hear Nick on the radio LIVE!

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....


all I did was tell the truth .....


;-))))

My future drunken rants on radio will be exclusively for Oprano radio LOL

But seriously......

wtf is headless's claim to fame?

Oh yeah someone at Netpond radio hired him LOL

(hic)

Nick,
that was one of the best posts I read from you in a while,
the sincerity of it went 11 on the Richter scale
;-))))

I *think* what Nick just said was fuck off masterP?!

LMAO

:wnw:

cj,

You are correct :)

Masterp IMHO is a terd on the toilet bowl of Oprano that needs to be flushed. :)

cj,

You are correct :)

Masterp IMHO is a terd on the toilet bowl of Oprano that needs to be flushed. :) [/b][/quote]
why? he doesn't bother anybody....

why? he doesn't bother anybody.... [/b][/quote]
precisely ;-)))))))

cj,

You are correct :)

Masterp IMHO is a terd on the toilet bowl of Oprano that needs to be flushed. :) [/b][/quote]
I'll leave anyday Serge wants me too. but for you. I guess you'll always be a scammer