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That's IT! Thank you, Lisa! That one poem helped such an understanding settle on the mind of this confused Catholic brain-washed child. :)

(And no, I didn't misspell "Bibles." I deliberately wrote "bibbles.") :)

Now, I have to go pay up in points! :okthumb:

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Yeah yeah.

I bet when no one's looking you say "aminals" and "ghaspetti". http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/tongue.gif

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No, but I do use one or two choice words in place of "Dravyk."
"Bestial necrophiliac" being one of my current faves. :hmm:

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Gee, whiz.

I remember when you were a nice, sweet, kind person ... :huh:








Boy, did that fucking suck!!! http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/rasp.gif

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*the taking a bow smilie that we don't have thanks to TREV goes here!*

Yes, I am working on my "dark side." I'd like to thank all the "little people" that are assisting me, especially the smallest of all...you. :bleh01:

(I do have to give total props to Dravyk and Boards Scanner for allowing me to totally annoy Trev by posting his name and setting off his inbox! Thanks, Drav! :okthumb: )

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You can be such a little dickens. ;)

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Thankee! :waving:

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OK, I believe this is the question you mentioned in the other thread. *sigh* Once again, I have to confess to doing nothing more than harassing sarettah. It wasn't a comment on the Bible, or religion, or anything other than his intensity with his "bullshit" comment that drew a lot of people in.

*That's* why I spelled it "bibbles." I was teasing sarettah, not making fun of the Bible.

My humor fell flat, as it is oft to do lately.

I, personally, DO NOT believe that the Bible or the requirements of christian behavior espouse the ability to purchase your way into heaven, especially by giving to a church or television program. (What's the "camel, eye of the needle, rich man" quote?) I apologize to anyone who was offended by the mistaken impression I was mocking the Bible. The directives on what God would like from His children contained in the Bible are pretty much the directives contained in everybody's "Big Book."

I still have - and always will have - the Bible given to me as a child. It's a Catholic Bible, and therefore different than the King James Bible used by others...and much different than the flat out silly ones that are supposed to be "easier to understand." (I actually read one where "Ruth went in to make...pancakes...:blink: ) It's not my "instructions for life," it's a momento of my childhood.

Did I elaborate sufficiently, TE? If there are more questions, fire away. :)

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Oh, you aren't going to ever get critisize of offend me by making humor of the bible!! LOL

I was merely commentating on the difference between "church going" believers and spiritual believers. Peoiple that are regular church goers and who subscribe to a particular "brand" of faith take the requirements of the bible as the absolute requirements for entry into heaven. The more extreme of those types do things like push for things like intelligent design to be pushed on your kids. People who are more of the spiriual belief and not regular church goers in nature like, which is what you seem to be, seem to take a more "this is what I believe God would do" appraoch and are much more open minded about those things.

Alas I am somewhat rambling but what I really was asking in a roundabpout way is how you thought, and WHY, that poem answers my criticism of the concept of God and entry into heaven? Because it seems to me that is more a PERSONAL belief on what you think God would do rather than what the bible teaches God does.

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Also, I should make clear I am not talking about purchasing your way into heaven. A man such as Adolph Hitler, I know it's an extreme example, if he truly repented and asked for sincere forgiveness of his sins and embraced God before he died can "earn" his way into heaven but the same thing can't be said for a man who is as good as can be but absolutely refuses to believe in God right up until his last breath of life on this earth.

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What bible did you have as a child, was it the RSV or the NAB? :)

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That poem came to me when I was young. What I liked was reinforcement of my - at the time - belief that any god who'd want people to sit around at his feet worshipping him was kind of a lousy god. A god that wanted people to love other people was a pretty cool god. In the poem, which doesn't mention entry into heaven, it just says that God loves ben Adam best *because* he loves his fellow men.

All of my beliefs about the Goddess/God are personal beliefs. There is no "Wiccan Bible." We keep what is called a "BOS" (Book of Shadows, I have *no* idea why it's called that) that is a compendium of many things: our own beliefs, our own personal rituals, etc. (Heavy on the "etc.") Note: the whole "spell" thing comes from the "Craft," not the religion, and I'm not going there right now.

I mentioned the poem because I love it and I happened to think of it then. I, personally, found it impossible to believe in a "god" that wanted the things that some people have informed me the Bible says God wants. I'm going to have to scroll back after this to read what it was you said that you thought I was "answering." I tossed out more "comments" in this thread than "answers." I don't happen to believe that I have any answers to anything. I have lots of beliefs, and can even explain how they came to be, but as far as answers? Really short on those.

Everybody's religion - I consider the atheist's beliefs a religion, since I never got a good enough definition of the word "religion," I use it as a catch all word that covers just about anything - as their way of making it through life. If my set of beliefs turn out to be totally wrong, in every way, where is the harm? I've had my one and only life in happiness, harmed no one, and turned to dust. Whatever's out there, something or nothing, I doubt seriously it's a big yellow smilie going "neener, neener" because I got it wrong. (However, if a big yellow smilie is currently laughing his ass off because I wrote that, I'll cope with that, too.)

A long time ago I decided what the Goddess wanted from me personally. It's a belief that I'm very comfortable with. Does that mean I know what the Goddess/God/Fred/Whatever wants from you? Nope. It's not my job to know that. I'm in charge of me, and no one else.

How am I doing, TE? Any closer to answering whatever the question was? :)

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drivel drivel drivel............


Bullshit !











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Can I please start deleting Sarettah's posts... pretty please. :yowsa:

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OK...I'm looking at the "St. Joseph Textbook Edition, Confraternity Version." I can't find either of those letter groupings on it anywhere. It was published in 1963. They were given to us because the monks ran an entire "oops" edition, and the pages that were left out/printed wrong/whatever had to be printed and added, so they gave them all out to Catechism kids.

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Go right ahead. Get rid of the little bit of intelligence that remains here.

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At least he admits it's only a little bit! :Crylol01:

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Ah.

OK, I think we're on the same page now.

That isn't my belief. I don't believe that believing in a god would be necessary to get into this place called heaven. I can't believe in a god who would place more value on being worshipped than having people live a good life, doing the best they can with the incredible gift that's been given them.

When you give a gift to a child, sometimes the child is so overwhelmed with the gift he doesn't say thank you and sometimes is so absorbed in the gift he's no longer aware you're standing there. As making the child that happy was the desired result in giving the child the gift in the first place, I'm fine with the reaction.

I have a regrettable tendency to lapse into metaphor and analogy.

My concept of "heaven" is very different from the Christian/christian one, too.

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Thanks for the post Morgan. Guess it's hard to answer because you are the type of believer I "get" so to speak. I don't understand "fundies" and such that are strict bible adherists.

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I can't cope with them, either, sadly. It makes it difficult. I want to scream "stop quoting at me and have an original thought!" Definitely not done when one is visiting for coffee. :(

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Must be a wonderful way to go through life "I don't like how it really is, so I think I'll make something up to believe". why not ? I mean it doesn't hurt anybody does it ?


Straight out escapism all around me. I can't deal with what IS, so I will create a little playground in my mind and stay there...

la dee da... life is wonderful.......


















It's still bullshit.

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St. Joseph Textbook Edition, if it was after 1946 then it should be RSV (Revised Standard Version). Though it is available in NAB (New American Bible) now. :)

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I read some of the front pages and it's revised all over the place, but doesn't seem to say "Revised Standard Version" on it anywhere. It certainly isn't the "New" anything.

It has more than its share of Mass cards for people for whom I still grieve, though. :( My scapular used to be in it, but that got lost in a move. :(

I'll wager you get a lot of that. ;)

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Thanks for the points Morgan. Tho I'm glad it doesn't COST you anything to give them to me. All I did was google what you posted, second search result, there it was! :)

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Shhhh! Make her think you worked your ass off for it! ;)

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It can be set to do that... but if it was no one would get any points... you guys are still too tight to give them away for free. :scratchin



;)

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Yeah, that's right. Call everyone cheap!

Like that won't end up costing you points. http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/tongue.gif

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It's a good job I've got access to stop that happening. :p

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It does need stating again that points given for a post are NOT deducted from one's own points. They're just freebie points you may lavish at will. :okthumb:

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Yes, speaking of religion, Oprano points are the metaphysical realization of the story of "The Loaves and The Fishes". http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/smile.gif

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Oh, for fuck's sake.... :bitchslap

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Go have a Krispy Kreme, you irascible woman. http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/sm...f_tongue01.gif

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Oh, now that was just cold, Dravyk. :mad:
(Luckily, I hate those pretenda-doughnuts.)

However, for good measure:

:nutkick:


LET'S ALL TALK ABOUT THE RELIGIOUS IMPLICATIONS OF DRAVYK'S TESTICLES!

We can start with Book 1, Genitals, the beginning of the "Old Testicles." :)

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:okthumb:


Points for that ;)

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You're on a roll :okthumb:


Points again :)

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Vaudeville didn't die; you murdered it! http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/blink.gif

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Little minds are so easily amused. :p

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Little testicles are so easily kicked. :nutkick:

I'm referring to the smilie of course. *I* certainly would not cast any aspersions against DRAVYK'S TESTICLES. :rolleyes:

I'm also unwilling to take the risk that those honkers are the size of basketballs and he's willing to prove it with a digital pic. Unh-huh. No way. :blink:

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Er, that chap would be known as YNOT Bob. :yowsa:

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Please do not tell me about the testicle size of people that I've actually met. :blink:

I'm funny that way.

See, you were supposed to zip back a zinging retort of some kind, not a real testicle discussion. I'm afraid I'm going to have to send you to your room and request that you reread the rule book on this sort of discussion.