I didn't google anything -- I wrote an essay about the anti-gun nuts, specifically the frauds.

When you come back this evening, I hope you tell us something about animal rights or better yet, environmentalism. Maybe you can explain to us how the Imperial US is trying to destroy the environment by not signing the UN Kyoto Pact or something.

You fucking leftists -- this is like Alexandr Karelin fighting the Star Wars Kid.

I bet you're one of the 15 people who believed Bill Clinton when he said he tried pot a few times but didn't inhale.

You lost. But I hope you know why you lost. You didn't lose because the leftism is just wrong (it is, but that's not why you lost).

You lost because you're an ignorant little bitch who thinks a masters in sociology means something.[/b][/quote]

I swear, of all my favorite irrational board whores, you make the top 5 of all time. I love you. You try so hard god bless your fat heart. Your posts never fail to make me smile, which is more than I can say for your compatriots.

Case in point.

Yeah, thats what I said. All academics are frauds. There you got me. hehe

All I said was is the claims made by Peaches that academia is rampant with made up stats and kook science is bullshit in that we have checks and balances. What some dick does outside the classroom is all him.

For example, you on this board with your made up econ theory. You can spout it off all day on here, I would looooove to see you get before some econ professors. checks and balances. Because you make shit up outside of academia, should all econ academics be punished?

Of course not, but we already know this. You are just prone to flights of fancy to illustrate your brainfarts.

I don't want for shit, Labret. I command respect because

1. I am smarter and more educated than the vast majority of people you look up to, and

2. I can beat the fuck out of people.

How you like them apples?

Interesting that some people like to pretend there is Conservative "logic" (conveniently forgetting Liberal "logic")....when really, there is only logic itself.....

There are conservative and liberal AGENDAS, and both of them are so contradictory that any attempt to make them "logical" is doomed to failure.

The deluded wish that either side is more intelligent, educated, logical, emotional, whatever; is hysterical.

:wnw: I wanna be Buff's friend!! :yowsa:


spaz



Last edited by spazlabz at Dec 2 2003, 09:27 AM

:okthumb: :okthumb: :okthumb:

I totally fucking disagree....

Words are words. They are used for particular emphasis, and in the appropriate forum (HERE), they are not only appreciated for their color, but for their ability to convey strong meaning....

"You are an imbecile" is not nearly as powerful as "you are a FUCKING imbecile...."

My posting record speaks for it's self

again I lead you to first principles. Simplicity. Read Marcus Aurelius

- all facets of learning

Nothing like a discussion where everyone can get on the same well worn soapboxes as always, and bleat the same sheep-ish comments.

However, getting back to DJ's original question:

Each person grows up in a collection of circumstances, many of them beyond their control. They grow up in a conservative area, a liberal area, a communist area, a one party state, a democracy, or any other flavor in between all of those. Some people live in the city all their lives, others have never visited a place with more than a few thousand people living in it.

When you grow up, you learn to either like or dislike the situation you are in. You are exposed to certain "solution sets" by government and your local "environment" and you are able to see them as good or bad in your eyes based on the results.

In the end, I suspect that political leanings have way more to do with what worked and what didn't during key times of your life. I suspect that a large number of USA conservatives on this board, example, were in their formative years during the Reagan era, which was a high water mark for a very pure brand of conservatism. The negatives of that presidency didn't come out until long after the president was gone. So basically the good impressions of "America in Charge" were instilled.

I was born and raised during a very "liberal" time in Canadian History, the first Prime Minister I can really remember is the late Pierre Elliott Trudeau, who ran Canada on and off over for maybe 15 years. Canada seemed better when he was there, and the conservative governments that got into power in between seemed never to be quite in tune with what Canada really wanted. When the Conservatives under Brian Mulroney (a good friend of Bush sr) caem to power with a huge majority, they did what they felt was right, and were rewarded with the biggest drop off in Canadian history the next time around, going from ruling party to essentially no longer existing, now down to being nothing more than a third ranking party. The liberal party of Canada is pretty much the only national party at this point.

Am I a "victim" of upbringing? Yes, almost without a doubt. I have lived in a place where conservative policies have "failed", and where the Liberal party and it's policies have ruled the roost for a large part of my lifetime. So far, I have yet to see the process or ideas of conservativism put into action in a way that was beneficial for the people overall in the long run. There was always short term benefits, but the costs of those benefits came back to haunt us all later.

I don't intend to "discuss" this back and forth on the board, I think we all know that there are some people here who enjoy nothing more than destroying a discussion with a stupid name calling back and forth that isn't productive for anyone. I just wanted to add my experiences and you can all take them for what it's worth (and some will think they aren't worth much!).

Alex

Have you resorted to lying about what I said in order to prove your points? :unsure: Here's a refresher course:

Quick - play like Fletch when I point out his errors and say you don't really bother reading my posts. :P But if you're going to refer to them, at least get the facts straight, OK? :)

My name comes up when I am NOT even invlved.

I have BRANDED myself well.

:moon:

I totally fucking disagree....

Words are words. They are used for particular emphasis, and in the appropriate forum (HERE), they are not only appreciated for their color, but for their ability to convey strong meaning....

"You are an imbecile" is not nearly as powerful as "you are a FUCKING imbecile...."[/b][/quote]
powerful yes, convey intelligence? Not very likely. While i agree words like 'Fuck' are versatile and can eloquently convey a whole host of subtleties, they are most certainly out of place during an intelligent debate of facts. As appropriate as bopping someone on the nose because you cant think of a workable argument to their statement


spaz



Last edited by spazlabz at Dec 2 2003, 09:41 AM

John, send him a bill!

(give 10% discount for cherrylula's sake)
;-)))

They say bad attention is better than no attention at all. :P

They say bad attention is better than no attention at all. :P[/b][/quote]
remember proverbs peaches:

'curses cannot hurt you unless you deserve them. they are like birds that fly by and never settle.'



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Dec 2 2003, 09:44 AM

?????

While I didn't know you at 32 (which I believe is Labret's age) and you would know better.......

....... I don't see the similarities of you both at 32

How often do you see this?

Is it a recurring dream? Or a daily fantasy while showering?

:awinky:

I fail to see what gives you the right to project your moral compass of "helping those less fortunate" on to other people (taxpayers). Therein lies the double standard of the liberal (just like the idiotic double standard of the conservative).

Logically, how do you disregard the moral standards of the conservative right while embracing those of the liberal left? You don't want the conservative right reaching into your life and telling you how you can access porn, who you can sleep with, what a woman can do with her body, etc....YET...you have no problem reaching into those conservative pockets to gather funds to "help the less fortunate"...even though they may disagree with YOU...

The theory that YOU (liberal YOU) know what's right for society and that your OPINION that someone shouldn't lose everything over a "mistake" or "choice" they have made, and that taxpayers who may not share this same view should shut up and pay anyway, is in complete contradiction to the ire expressed at the conservative right.

When you don't see anything wrong with one group of society FORCING their ideals on you ("I see no societal problem with helping our less fortunate" - Sykk), yet you moan and complain incessantly at the unfairness of the OTHER side trying to force THEIR morality on you, you walk the slippery slopes of a contradiction you can't escape from.

How often do you see this?

Is it a recurring dream? Or a daily fantasy while showering?

:awinky:[/b][/quote]
Duh ....

ah ha ha ha ha ha


I shamefully hang my head for missing that joke

How often do you see this?

Is it a recurring dream? Or a daily fantasy while showering?

:awinky:[/b][/quote]

Im telling you man, nearly everything he says to me has homosexual overtones.

Thanks for sharing Bible verses with me - that's very....interesting. :)

?????

While I didn't know you at 32 (which I believe is Labret's age) and you would know better.......

....... I don't see the similarities of you both at 32[/b][/quote]
there is...I was an arrogant prick with attitude than...less the audience
;-))

the only respectable audience I could get at that age was Lubavitchie synagoge during my circun=msission procedure
;-))))

Thanks for sharing Bible verses with me - that's very....interesting. :)[/b][/quote]
I bet ive read the bible more than most christians.

in fact, I ALWAYS have a copy of it on my desk.

Going to catholic school for 10 years and having to read the bible extensively has given me a deep understanding of it, regardless.

theres a lot of good stuff in there.

How often do you see this?

Is it a recurring dream? Or a daily fantasy while showering?

:awinky:[/b][/quote]
I shower only once a month*...he comes MUCH more often
;_)))

*-water is TREMENDOUSLY expensive in Florida
;-)))

Im telling you man, nearly everything he says to me has homosexual overtones.[/b][/quote]
oh, c'mon, be a real man and step out of the closet...I did
;-))))

me too!
which is your favorite part?

me too!
which is your favorite part?[/b][/quote]
take a stab serge, i bet you could guess.

hmmm...why don't we discuss the USSR vintage statistics about the homosexuality in the USSR?

take a stab serge, i bet you could guess.[/b][/quote]
I can't...I went to Soviet School, we haven't studied Bible for 10 years
;-))

Mine is Ecclethiastes.

Ultimately, intelligence is conveyed by the idea set forth, not the manner in which it is delivered. I don't see a Pulitzer in Serge's future, yet he knows how to cut to the quick of most matters.

Telling someone the "words" they used in a debate makes their argument weaker, as opposed to attacking the ideas themselves, puts you in a deep hole. Stick to the substance of the issue and not the delivery mechanism, and your ability to stay in the debate will grow.

me too!
which is your favorite part?[/b][/quote]

I like the part where the Jews destroy an entire community and rape the female children.

Now thats my kinda God!

I bet ive read the bible more than most christians.

in fact, I ALWAYS have a copy of it on my desk.

Going to catholic school for 10 years and having to read the bible extensively has given me a deep understanding of it, regardless.

theres a lot of good stuff in there.[/b][/quote]
Many congrats to you! I've read it but as with other books (and movies) can't make it through more than once.

Now if I could convince you to correct the spelling in your sig, my life will be complete. B)

What annoys me most about you Alex, is your constant confusing of your own perceptions with absolute facts.

"I believe what i believe because i happen to be right... not because i happen to be biased towards the left"

You are VERY Liberal... you percieve the world, politics and economic and social issues as a Liberal. Then you can't admit that your views are opinion, not fact and that your "opinion" is only shared by 50% or so of the population... which leaves you with the need to constantly attack the other 50% while claiming to be objective but coincidentally right all the time.

Its fine you know to say "I typically side with Liberal issues". You dont need to make up alleged facts to justify it. You dont need to twist reality to rationalize it. Your not alone you know. There is another 50% of 260,000,000 people in the US who share your views. It's ok to be you.



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Most intelligent post in this thread.

I like the part where the Jews destroy an entire community and rape the female children.

Now thats my kinda God![/b][/quote]
keep alive for yourselves."
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doesn't mean "rape".
They took them as slaves...
kinda like Stalin used prisoners to build USSR after the revolution, without reporting them into statistics your professor quotes...
;-)))

Many congrats to you! I've read it but as with other books (and movies) can't make it through more than once.

Now if I could convince you to correct the spelling in your sig, my life will be complete. B)[/b][/quote]
How can you even understand a book or a movie for that matter just one time?

I am one of those who underline passages on nearly every page i read in every book.

all my books are filled with place holders and underlined parts with notes on the side.

i dont read, i study a book when i pick it up.

how else can you learn from it?

keep alive for yourselves."
******************************
doesn't mean "rape".
They took them as slaves...
kinda like Stalin used prisoners to build USSR after the revolution, without reporting them into statistics your professor quotes...
;-)))[/b][/quote]

Uhm, if they wanted slaves they could have kept alive the male children. Females dont make good "slaves". That is unless they are sex slaves. *wink wink nudge nudge*

I got more quotes of silly Jew exploits. Loving people they were.

I can't...I went to Soviet School, we haven't studied Bible for 10 years
;-))

Mine is Ecclethiastes.[/b][/quote]
Revelation.

'Do not be afraid of anything you are about to suffer.'

But we all know christ had nothing to do withrevelation, doesnt it trace back to Syria MANY moons before the nazarene even walked?

Most intelligent post in this thread.[/b][/quote]
exactly. agree 100%

people defend their bias as being an objective decision. thats crazy. you are not objective if you are biased and you are not making objective decisions if you are biased.

i wish people would just stick to saying "this is what i am" without bizarre and horrbly inconsistent rationalizations for it.

if you are biased, you are not objectively deciding that you are liberal or conservative. you are instead percieving issues through the windows of that bias and intepreting everything consistent with that bias.

I dunno...I couldn't force myself to go past 2 chapetrs of New Testament
;-)))