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[Labret] 11-25-2003 07:30 PM

ahahaah started punk rock. That shit is classic.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 25 2003, 04:38 PM

Winetalk.com 11-25-2003 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23@Nov 25 2003, 07:36 PM

You should send them Vic. I'm sure they'll just love his intellectual insight into the Ramones. :rolleyes:

hmmm....taking pot shots at Oprano founding fathers?

good way to get noticed
;-)))

stocktrader23 11-25-2003 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 25 2003, 04:35 PM
stocktrader23 - thanks I didn't know that
I've never had the opportunity to read the Ramones board

and actually I'd like to apologize to you, Labaret and I have been going back and forth for a few days

Most of the time I am not as animated as I have been recently, if you stick around you'll see

No need. I don't get my feelings hurt from message board posts.

Unless they are from Serge.

Winetalk.com 11-25-2003 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Nov 25 2003, 07:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Nov 25 2003, 07:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--stocktrader23@Nov 25 2003, 04:36 PM

You should send them Vic. I'm sure they'll just love his intellectual insight into the Ramones. :rolleyes:

Vicky reminds me of Gilbert Gottfried, I honestly hear his voice when I read Vickys posts.

http://www.topdrawentertainment.com/Media/gilbert.jpg[/b][/quote]
another one looking for a wink from Oprano fopunding father....
very cool,
he is pleased....

stocktrader23 11-25-2003 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 25 2003, 04:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 25 2003, 04:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--stocktrader23@Nov 25 2003, 07:36 PM

You should send them Vic. I'm sure they'll just love his intellectual insight into the Ramones. :rolleyes:

hmmm....taking pot shots at Oprano founding fathers?

good way to get noticed
;-)))[/b][/quote]
Did it sound that bad?

Winetalk.com 11-25-2003 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23+Nov 25 2003, 07:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (stocktrader23 @ Nov 25 2003, 07:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 25 2003, 04:35 PM
stocktrader23 - thanks I didn't know that
I've never had the opportunity to read the Ramones board

and actually I'd like to apologize to you, Labaret and I have been going back and forth for a few days

Most of the time I am not as animated as I have been recently, if you stick around you'll see

No need. I don't get my feelings hurt from message board posts.

Unless they are from Serge.[/b][/quote]
Serge has no time, veryfying all those new IP is a bitch
;-(((

;-)))

Vick 11-25-2003 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Nov 25 2003, 07:33 PM
The ONLY cultural SIGNIFICANCE the Ramones had in punk rock, was they were one of the few who were not influenced by 3 chord blues, a la Chuck Berry the way some were, even admitting that they TRIED to NOT use such riffs or turn arounds.

Again, I won't carry this that far, you obviously do not know anything past what you watched on some VH1 special.

You are so far off and lost you couldn't find your way if I drew you a map, gave you a flashlight and pointed you in the right direction

You don't get the lyrics in the Ramones songs, they stayed away from politics for a long time but spoke to cultural issues and were very witty doing it

Who were the Pistols influenced by?

What did Malcom McLearn own that he first made the Pistols to promote?

Again all you're doing is repeating what you've read and heard. I was there, I lived through the time we're discussing

You're really hard to speak with because you're very bullheaded (nice way of saying ignorant fuck)

You can't show where anyone considered Iggy Punk prior to 1975

I haven't see you back up any of your statements

Winetalk.com 11-25-2003 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23@Nov 25 2003, 07:40 PM

Did it sound that bad?

I dunno, I know NOTHING about punk rock and Ramones
;-)))

Winetalk.com 11-25-2003 07:35 PM

and with that said, I am out of this thread...
Vick, you won the bet we made 18 months ago..
you DIDF get me involved in music discussion..
what's next? football???

:barfon:

Fletch XXX 11-25-2003 07:35 PM

This guy is deranged, and I wont be the donkey to follow his carrot.

Time for some online gaming.

You sit at home old man, let us youngsters LIVe punk rock, you go make theories about who started it.

:bwave:



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Nov 25 2003, 04:43 PM

stocktrader23 11-25-2003 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 25 2003, 04:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 25 2003, 04:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--stocktrader23@Nov 25 2003, 07:40 PM

Did it sound that bad?

I dunno, I know NOTHING about punk rock and Ramones
;-)))[/b][/quote]
Me either. And I've never seen a discussion this long on the cultural impact of them either.

To each his own.

Vick 11-25-2003 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 25 2003, 07:38 PM
ahahaah started punk rock. That shit is classic.
What's even more classic is ......

You didn't know it because your teacher never told you :awinky:

Nickatilynx 11-25-2003 07:38 PM

Quote:

Who were the Pistols influenced by?

What did Malcom McLearn own that he first made the Pistols to promote?

ME!!! ME!!!

I know :)









....................now :)


(I didn't know either Serge until I was educated privately) ;-)))

[Labret] 11-25-2003 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vick+Nov 25 2003, 04:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Nov 25 2003, 04:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 25 2003, 07:38 PM
ahahaah started punk rock. That shit is classic.
What's even more classic is ......

You didn't know it because your teacher never told you :awinky:[/b][/quote]


It is such an absurd argument I cant believe you are even attempting to debate it.

http://www.fastnbulbous.com/punk.htm

Just read and educate yourself.

Your whole argument is that punk rock is just a sound. Which could not be any farther from the truth. Using your argument, Greenday and Blink 182 are punk rock. Go ahead, attempt to make that argument.

Fletch already said it, you have done nothing but prove you know jack shit about what punk rock even is.

Quote:


The word "punk" first made an appearance in music journalism in a 1970 essay, "The Punk Muse: The True Story of Protopathic Spiff Including the Lowdown on the Trouble-Making Five-Percent of America's Youth" by Nick Tosches in Fusion. He described a music that was a "visionary expiation, a cry into the abyss of one's own mordant bullshit," its "poetry is puked, not plotted." That same year, Lester Bangs wrote a novella titled Drug Punk, influenced by William Burroughs' book, Junky, in which there is a line, "Fucking punks think it's a joke. They won't think it's so funny when they're doing five twenty-nine on the island." Dave Marsh used the phrase "punk rock" in his Looney Tunes column in the May 1971 issue of Creem, the same issue that introduced the term "heavy metal" as a genre name. Marsh wrote, "Culturally perverse from birth, I decided that this insult would be better construted as a compliment, especially given the alternative to such punkist behavior, which I figured was acting like a dignified asshole." Tosches, Bangs, Marsh, Richard Meltzer, Greg Shaw and Lenny Kaye used the term to define a canon of proto-punk bands, including the Velvets, Stooges, MC5, the Modern Lovers and the New York Dolls (DeRogatis, Let It Blurt, 118-119).

Ironically, the band that actually inspired the magazine called Punk came from upstate New York -- a bunch of leather-jacketed wise-guys called The Dictators. They formed in 1973 and established a small following in a club in Queens called The Coventry. They found American music pompous at the time, so they took the succinct, hooky songs of British glam bands like Sweet, Roxy Music, Slade and T. Rex, and added their own brand of tongue-in-cheek, loutish humor and American junk culture in songs like "Teengenerate" and "(I Live For) Cars and Girls." Singer Handsome Dick Manitoba completed the image with a pro-wrestling star persona. Joey Ramone attended many Dictators performances, soon to take a couple of the ideas and run with it.


What was that again about Joey Ramones influence?



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 25 2003, 04:51 PM

Vick 11-25-2003 07:47 PM

Time for closure

Serge - :awinky: :agrin: thanks

Nick - can't beat private education :agrin:

Labret - now you know ......... and it fits in your studies

Fletch - next time I get to NO if you're around we'll go out and drink and continue this discussion in person

stocktrader23 - I could really go on for pages about the actual cultural/social impact of the Ramones and Punk Rock but I was trying to be brief (didn't suceed)

Vick 11-25-2003 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 25 2003, 07:49 PM
Your whole argument is that punk rock is just a sound.
thought I was done

You're lost again
Punk is an attitude, not just a sound even thogh the sound and attitude are tied together

Now go google off something else

[Labret] 11-25-2003 07:50 PM

And again, NOBODY is denying the influence and importance of the Ramones on punk rock. But to claim they invented it... cmon.

Off to bed for me.

Vick 11-25-2003 08:03 PM

you can find anything on the internet

Quote:

Which seems like a weird thing to say about a bunch of guys for whom a show, in 1974 or '75, could be six songs in a quarter of an hour.

The Ramones were also first:
The first band of the mid-'70s New York punk-rock uprising to get a major-label record contract and put an album out; the first to rock the nation on the road and teach the British how noise annoys; the first new American group of the decade to kick the smug, yellow-bellied shit out of a '60s superstar aristocracy running on cocaine-and-caviar autopilot.

http://alternativemovement.bizland.com/stu...uff/ramones.htm

Diamond Jim 11-25-2003 08:05 PM

And here I had aways thought Punk started with Clint Eastwood....

[Labret] 11-25-2003 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 25 2003, 05:11 PM
you can find anything on the internet

Quote:

Which seems like a weird thing to say about a bunch of guys for whom a show, in 1974 or '75, could be six songs in a quarter of an hour.

The Ramones were also first:
The first band of the mid-'70s New York punk-rock uprising to get a major-label record contract and put an album out; the first to rock the nation on the road and teach the British how noise annoys; the first new American group of the decade to kick the smug, yellow-bellied shit out of a '60s superstar aristocracy running on cocaine-and-caviar autopilot.

http://alternativemovement.bizland.com/stu...uff/ramones.htm

"The first band of the mid-'70s New York punk-rock uprising to get a major-label record contract and put an album out"

Oh boy, the first corporate punk rock band.

Go back and read my opinion of corporate music. Pringles and Doritos nigger, pringles and doritos. Corporate punk rock is nothing more that top 40.

Thank you for your post. Like I said all along, you already got my response to whatever corporate crap you would throw out jackass.

I go to bed laughing. You are fucking classic.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 25 2003, 05:17 PM

Vick 11-25-2003 08:14 PM

Labret you may be the most ignorant person on the face of the earth

When bested you still try to sidestep and deflect the issue

Why don't you just admit it?


Quote:

Although all punk rock bands might be related to each other, some are directly related to The Clash. The most well known bands are: Ramones, Sex Pistols and Rancid. Ramones and Sex Pistols were not influenced by The Clash's sound, since The Clash appeared later in the music scene, but they make part of the roots of punk rock. The first punk rock band is told to be the Ramones. There were other bands that appeared first, but only the Ramones had the punk qualities altogether to become the first one. As Joe Strummer said once, Ramones' first album (released in 1976) was the only punk rock album they had by that time until The Clash and Sex Pistols came.
http://www.angelfire.com/on/clash/misc.html


Quote:

The Ramones are the first punk rock band. There were other bands, such as the Stooges and the New York Dolls, that came before them and set the stage and aesthetic for punk and bands that immediately followed, such as the Sex Pistols, that made the latent violence of the music more explicit, but the Ramones crystallized the musical ideals of the genre. By cutting rock & roll down to its bare essentials -- four chords, a simple, catchy melody, and irresistably inane lyrics -- speeding up the tempo considerably, the Ramones created something that was rooted in early '60s, pre-Beatles rock & roll and pop but sounded revolutionary.
http://www.abc.net.au/rage/guest/2001/ramones.htm

Diamond Jim 11-25-2003 08:14 PM

Doritos.....mmmmmmm....

Nacho Cheese, beeyach! Bow before the power of a Master Chipper...

Julene 11-25-2003 08:21 PM

I was curious as to who the Stooges where !

http://www.geocities.com/mnennoburke/stooges.html



"Iggy Pop (b. James Osterberg) formed the Stooges in 1967 after witnessing a Doors concert in Chicago. Adopting the name Iggy Stooge, he rounded up brothers Ron and Scott Asheton (guitar and drums, respectively) and bassist Dave Alexander, and the group debuted at a Halloween concert at the University of Michigan student union in 1967"


The Doors was an influence. :rokk:

Julene 11-25-2003 08:24 PM

"the Stooges were hailed as one of the first punk rock bands, and there was legions of underground groups replicating their sound, as well as several others -- such as Sonic Youth and Mudhoney -- who expanded and updated that sound, making it one of the cornerstones of alternative rock. Meanwhile, the Stooges lived on in countless semi-legal releases and repackagings of live shows, demos and outtakes, all of which were consumed avidly by a still-devoted cult. AMG "


Mudhoney ! Now, that's a cool name !

spazlabz 11-26-2003 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 25 2003, 04:57 PM

Now go google off something else

does ANYONE use Yahoo any more? :nyanya:

Last post for awhile friends. Laptop is getting packed right after i click send. Look for me sometime between Sunday & Tuesday.

Everyone have a great Thanksgiving, enjoy the gams, stuff yourself, post boring threads (I dont wanna miss anything) and generally connect with those ya love...........as for me, I am gonna do terrible things to my dog with a fork!! (DAMN! kidding PETA, lighten up)


spaz


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