Go on....

We have time....

:)


( pulls up a chair and grabs :popcorn: ) [/b][/quote]
long story, short

He used to live in a town not far from where I grew up

we talked about hiking in the mountains and canyons of that area and were talking about various people we grew up with in the area over some beers and he mentioned agal he had dated/fucked...and it happened to be my stepsister...

odd thing about my stepsister...she was my gradeschool crush and evena girlfriend for a brief amount of time...then my dad married her mother...it was a very uncomfortable household when I moved in with my dad and stepmother as my mother moved to Arizona...

I recently caught up with her after years of not talking to each other (our parents divorced and we had never bothered to keep in touch) and I happened to mention the story to her and she went oddly silent...basically an admission of guilt ;-)

I know Andy was looking at gettting back into the business a couple eyars ago, but haven't heard anything further about it

Somebody start from the beginning, who is Andy edmonds?

started sextracker with shawn boday, under flying croccodile innovative product for its time, had PK in his corner, which i am sure helped his launch.

was normal in the beginning. started to lose it when money started coming in, way overspent.

lost it

danced naked with other men in the mud.

boday took over

fucked over a lot of people and broke laws.

to be continued.

Didn't he have a site where he went into detail his expirmentation with various drugs?

Andy had ties to Lycaeum.org (an online entheogen encyclopedia). No biggie really, Andy is/was something of a psychonaut.

Andy Edmonds was hired by Kelly Kampen in 1996 to code Sexlist, he pulled Ross into the project. They exited out of that deal by breaking into Kelly's office and stealing their employment agreements. When they left they swiped Kelly's IP as well and out of that assfuck came...Sextracker!

Shawn came on board a couple months into the Sextracker project. Shawn was not a founder, programmer, or anything else other than a really smart marketing/advertising/biz dev guy.

Andy got caught up in the times and started to believe his own PR. Too bad because he was a bright individual. Andy was one of the quickest intellects I've had the opportunity to work with in this business. Unfortuantely he had an ego to match. That ego (and hard drugs) got us all in alot of trouble.

he was, but he also came from i believe, Macromedia.

Amen to the ego and hard drugs.

ive liked the site Lycaeum.org for a long time. good drug reference, exellently put together. Before you take that next presription from your doctor or dealer, its an excellent reference to see what you are ingesting;)

Andy worked at Real (Real Player).... Before ST I believe.

-KC

Thats it, Real. that was a long time ago:) Andy went under the nick Nero, didn't he? thats kinda ironic. especially if you replaced "fiddled" with "danced around with naked dudes in the mud"

:D

I agree I always checked it out too.

"He stole about 400,000 hits a day from us and our clients which equates to alot fo money in lost revenue and it caused secondary problems as well, we will never repcoup from him what he fucked us for but again we will have the pleasure of a judgement and the bbest reward from that case is when we hand the evidence over to FBI and he winds up in jail for rest of his life.

If you guys new how much sextracker had stolen from you, im sure most of the adult internet companies would be filing suit against him also." -Meat on ST and Shawn Boday

You don't know the half of it.

I seriously doubt that they were "stealing" 400,000 hits from you/yours per day. What Shawn and his crew are doing is much, much worse. They are taking the few hits that DO convert by means of inserting their own affiliate id's as well as redirecting join pages to their own MoneyTree program. This practice is detrimental to the entire industry. Affiliate programs (some are/were actually moneytree clients) are damaged when conversions drop and webmasters move to another program. Webmasters suffer damages in more direct ways, their joins are stolen from them.

"Shoulda used QuicBucks....owwwwwwwwwwwwww"

shit shit ... ruin beat me to it :-)


I will slip this in ... andy is working as a programmer at the seattle office of F5 last I heard :-)

So it can rewrite an affilate code with theres or change the traffic away from that program to one of their choosing?

Eric,

No, I don't have the tape - Jeff has it

Was it the same thing that Charlo Barbosa was rumoured to be doing?

Hey Nick- Please bear in mind that I've been out of the loop over there for a couple years but as of the time I left they could (and did):

Redirect/pop based on keyword, URL, etc.

Insert/replace affiliate id's. If a end user maciacally dropped on a paysite without being referred then Bode added his own affiliate ID, or redirected to his own sites. The latter is the case pertaining to ifriends. Shawn had serious issues with ifriends and was determined to steal as much of their traffic as possible for Tricams. Another target was KC's counter which Shawn wanted to hit so he could buy at a more favorable (for him) price.

Hey Bama, re: the tape. I don't think Jeff has it. I'll ask him just in case. I believe I have it. It is in storage in the states. Unfortunately I am not at liberty to return right now. I will see what I can do about having someone go throught the boxes and find it. That tape is very important in that Bode, Ross, and Scott are all on there discussing how to commit one of the greatest crimes ever committed online.

Holy fucking shit!!!

Trouble is , it sounds like an evil wicked program , but It is without a doubt a really brilliant program . LOL ;-)))

KC will be pissed to hear that info.

thanks for the interesting inside views in the history of adult internet.

good info here at oprano

Only the best here , that is for sure!!!! :okthumb:

Err uhh - moneytree as in mtree.com?

The $25 free cam program?

Congrats to Meat and Aga for taking a stand!

Sometimes lawsuits are the only recourse for a business to resolve a problem once and for all.

I just hope more will follow suit (pun pretty much intended). I won't be happy until all the thieving scum are driven from the industry.

Thought a bunch of folks came from HitBox (aka WebSideStory), before ST, no?

"Was it the same thing that Charlo Barbosa was rumoured to be doing?" -Nick

Yeah, but with one key difference. Charlo was merely rumored to have been up to this kind of bullshit and has since been vindicated. Shawn, Ross, and Scott were all definately redirecting joins and stealing traffic from competitors to grow their own properties, something Charlo deffinately did not do.

Mr Celebrity is here!!!

Far L long time no see. Wheres the love?

Have to agree with you on that one, seems like that was just a bunch of hype, as we hosted them at the time. Nobody ever contacted us about such instances, let alone proved it! Nothing was siezed, nothing happened at all really...un-necessary drama I guess

Hey Hey Gonzo!

I am not a celebrity... just another webmaster that wants justice in this world!

Hehe your got to check out Jenna up close for more than 2 seconds so you must be a celebrity. Or she saw your giffy girls pics!

As you know I personally like to see jutice and I as many share your zest to see the "trash taken out of the business".

Glad to see you made it back over here and Nick and I hope to see more of you as well as your brother and the rest of the Homegrown crew.

Far-l,

You should check out the other threads here on Oprano concerning FM's part ownership of a scammy webmaster board...its interesting.

Can't understand why FM got involved with it.

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index...howtopic=16140

Hehe your got to check out Jenna up close for more than 2 seconds so you must be a celebrity. Or she saw your giffy girls pics!

As you know I personally like to see jutice and I as many share your zest to see the "trash taken out of the business".

Glad to see you made it back over here and Nick and I hope to see more of you as well as your brother and the rest of the Homegrown crew. [/b][/quote]
Gonzo: Thanks for the welcome and count on seeing me here more!

I have some vague recollection of pissing off someone and being discouraged from posting here for some reason.

OH YEAh!

That was R_N who screamed at me about posting on here and told me to never again!

Oops... :rokk:

Oh really..... ?!?!


Hey Far-l can ya icq me?

8042030

Nickatilynx: Thanks! I wish I could respond more to that but it won't be a good idea at this time. However, know my gratitude is great.

Oh really..... ?!?!


Hey Far-l can ya icq me?

8042030 [/b][/quote]
Sorry.. I don't have icq... is messenger by any chance an option? hgtimlake at hotmail.com

Anyone looking to sue Shawn, Ross, or Scott? Would you like to have an impromptu webmaster get together and discuss what they've been doing? Want to see the nice cars and toys they've bought with YOUR money? Go to

11301 Lakeside ave NE
seattle WA 98125

You can serve these fucks at this address as they all live there. Nice house.

http://www.oprano.com/satmapseattle.jpg


Only 100 yds from Lake Washington?

Nice area....

Yeah it is nice. Kurt Cobain used to rent it, he actually still get mail there, or used to at least.

Word of caution: Scott Perkins is a bitch made prick who is scared of his shadow. This is a bad thing as Scott carries pistols on him.

Hey Scott, what's up Jesse James? You write checks your body can't cash? Gotta stay strapped you twirpy thug? Ha! You're still a bitch ass victim. What happens when you're in the pen? Better start paying more attention in your Tai Bo classes, maybe take some fencing classes...with a toothbrush.

We woke up one morning to a 30% drop in traffic and revenue.. at the time we were handling all of a MAJOR players non US traffic. millions of hits per day. They basically redirected all hits that were meant for our domain.. to the moneytree dialer.

I bought a new pc.. infected it with thier shit and videod the evidence.. we even flew our Lawyer over the Atlantic to England to help out.

Everyone says that there was no way that they could make a 30% dent in revenue.. but most of our revenue came from UK traffic.. and they had been installing spyware on UK surfers for years.. I would imagine they have infected a huge amount of UK pcs..

Sounds realistic to me. Especially in light of some information I've been provided by former FCI (not Avenue Media) employees that worked on this project. They were distributing via illegal methods (cracks), nevermind uploads to the dialers.