ROADTRIP!! [/b][/quote]
Just an FYI, Gabe is a licensed commercial truck driver.... B)

Sorry cleared some space up lol.

Fireaway :)


(What can I say , I like pming people..I'm a chatter box LOL)

You know.. I'm here to take advice to improve Internext and AVN, NOT to sit and defend them! You're really not helping out by making statements of fact that are factually incorrect! LOL..

As I mentioned before, Internext is currently slated around the same time as AEE and CES because there is a cross-over between the shows that is seen as beneficial to Internext exhibitors and attendees. It doesn't save AVN money particularily... well, maybe a few airfares saved I suppose.

Hope you find someone with the balls/ organizational skills to assist you in your evil plans for global domination... I just hope they don't interfere with my own. B)

Yeah... The lines were ridiculous. But big, huge kudos to you for making the best of the situation as always! You're so damn good..! LOL.. Love proactive people. :wnw:

Maybe theres a communication breakdown here Aly.

You guys maintain that theres a benefit to the crossover.

What I think people are telling you is that its not a benefit to most of us.

And I have to call bullshit on the attendee statement. Maybe in the beginning you had surfer attendees at Internext.

Given the $200 price tag... less and less scantilly clad bunnies and even less valuable trinkets I dont think the average street rube is coming in off the street to see what the porners are doing.

Quite frankly I see it as a huge mistake if AVN is marketing to surfers for Internext.... dont you?

She didn't spend all those years playing Dungeons and Dragons and not learn a little something about courage.

Trapped people? Now I see that as an opportunity.

Above, two of the best ideas I've heard so far.

If AVN is afraid of tickets being counterfitted, fine; don't blame them. Still take a tip from the airllines we all take to these shows and adapt an e-ticket thing. Something where the preregistered people can present a card (they got in the mail) to a person or machine and get their ticket printed out at the show near instantly. There is NO reason anyone should stand in line two or three hours, but more so anyone who PREregistered. If that's the case, see preregistrations (aka the money you need before the show to help put it on) go to a drop in the bucket.

Ditto, one person to pick up all the tickets for their company.

Treat attendees like this and then wonder why next show or next year's event has a drastic drop in attendance is plain insanity.

Bottom line, these are easily remedied items.

hehe Thought the same thing! Told my partner, if we could only have gotten a few hundred bottles of water and a laptop with a sticky-label printer ... :yowsa:

You know.. I'm here to take advice to improve Internext and AVN, NOT to sit and defend them! You're really not helping out by making statements of fact that are factually incorrect! LOL..

As I mentioned before, Internext is currently slated around the same time as AEE and CES because there is a cross-over between the shows that is seen as beneficial to Internext exhibitors and attendees. It doesn't save AVN money particularily... well, maybe a few airfares saved I suppose.

Hope you find someone with the balls/ organizational skills to assist you in your evil plans for global domination... I just hope they don't interfere with my own. B) [/b][/quote]
Numbers dont lie.

Do you have any? What's the cross section of exhibitors and attendees that actually do both shows? What's the percentage?

I have to think it's small based on what I see with my eyeballs.

And there's threads on every board I read this week with people wishing the show were moved away from the holidays and CES to a week or so later in the month.

You save EVERYONE a ton of money by not making the ideal arrival and departure day coincide with CES. We paid out the ass to stay Thursday night, and neither AVN or the exhibitors saw a penny of that extra money. What I spent extra to stay Thursday night could've paid for nearly half a booth.

I think Vancouver would be a great place for show.

I agree, Vancouver would be a great place for a show...

since Las Vegas lost Comdex, why not move InterNext to November?

...I'm beginning to see your point. :rolleyes:

Numbers dont lie.

Do you have any? What's the cross section of exhibitors and attendees that actually do both shows? What's the percentage?

I have to think it's small based on what I see with my eyeballs.

And there's threads on every board I read this week with people wishing the show were moved away from the holidays and CES to a week or so later in the month.

You save EVERYONE a ton of money by not making the ideal arrival and departure day coincide with CES. We paid out the ass to stay Thursday night, and neither AVN or the exhibitors saw a penny of that extra money. What I spent extra to stay Thursday night could've paid for nearly half a booth. [/b][/quote]
I've seen those posts and heard that opinion too... and the preference is definitely noted. I just picked on you because it doesn't have anything to do with AVN saving (or not saving) money... well, that and I quit smoking yesterday. LOL..

Do you see a benefit to coinciding with the AEE/ AVN show? (without CES in the equation.) No, I don't have CES cross-over stats, just word-of-mouth from exhibitors and attendees (wish I did have them).

YES... the lines were ridiculously long, and the processing time FAR too long.

While Internext can't control the age of the employees who sit rather unfamiliarly behind the computers at registration (it's all unionized and there's no control over that), there clearly needs to be a contingency plan for that kind of problem. Next year, there will of course be a larger number of old ladies with computers; pre-registration stations set up away from the melee; fewer details for the old ladies to key in... and other solutions.

However.... the issue of having to show ID to pick up badges, or being able to pick up multiple badges at once, or mailing badges ahead of time... isn't something that is likely change. Internext is now legally required to check ID for each badge handed over. It's an adult show... they don't want kids in there. I agree it was a hell of a lot easier when I could swing by and pick up the 25 badges I'd booked for my group in the past, but those days are gone. Now you've got to show ID.

The lines/ wait will not be so long next year.

So the rediculously inappropriate timing of January Internext that is inconvenient for most attendees and exhibitors has absolutely nothing to do with trying to fill up the 5000 attendees list with horny businessmen who are eager to spend $200 to see a porn star up close?

If that's what you are saying .... as much as I value your opinion and abilities, I just don't believe you ....

but if it is the case, we are all business people and we can appreciate things we don't necessarily agree with, and I thank you for your honesty and for the effort you are putting in to make things better.

I loved the first few shows in Vegas - I came over early and spent new years in various cities and used it as a 'kind of holiday' ... but back then it was all a novelty and I spent the entire time wide eyed and drunk so I didn't notice as much LOL

But the stress trying to get everything organised over christmas holidays, customs being packed with holiday travellers and screaming kids, trying to get lawyers to help import merchandise while its christmas holidays etc etc. I can't see myself attending another Vegas Internext, for all of these reasons that everyone has mentioned.

Why not hire a big cruise ship and bring the 5000 webmasters down to australia? Then I'll attend LOL

Cool :)

Looking forward to seeing you behind the regsitration desk next year hon LOL *ducking and running for cover*

So the rediculously inappropriate timing of January Internext that is inconvenient for most attendees and exhibitors has absolutely nothing to do with trying to fill up the 5000 attendees list with horny businessmen who are eager to spend $200 to see a porn star up close?

If that's what you are saying .... as much as I value your opinion and abilities, I just don't believe you ....

but if it is the case, we are all business people and we can appreciate things we don't necessarily agree with, and I thank you for your honesty and for the effort you are putting in to make things better.

I loved the first few shows in Vegas - I came over early and spent new years in various cities and used it as a 'kind of holiday' ... but back then it was all a novelty and I spent the entire time wide eyed and drunk so I didn't notice as much LOL

But the stress trying to get everything organised over christmas holidays, customs being packed with holiday travellers and screaming kids, trying to get lawyers to help import merchandise while its christmas holidays etc etc. I can't see myself attending another Vegas Internext, for all of these reasons that everyone has mentioned.

Why not hire a big cruise ship and bring the 5000 webmasters down to australia? Then I'll attend LOL [/b][/quote]
LOL... Listen... If any of you want to call bullshit on what I'm saying, you may be right! .. But not because I'm sitting here purposely trying to BS you .. I could just be wrong! I have no interest in wasting my life being anything other than honest because frankly none of this is worth weaving a tangled web over.

That said... I really don't think Internext is slated at the time it's slated at in order to make money off surfers. AEE/AVN definitely IS, so perhaps this IS getting muddy... :huh: Really though... surfers mixing up the online show is not considered a good idea at all and is NOT part of the revenue plan (just called and yelled at a few people to confirm this. :o )

BUT... the cross-over from AEE is valuable for Internext exhibitors/ attendees, wouldn't you agree? I genuinely think so.

Just for the record... I'd LOVE to cruise around Oz instead! :biglaugh:

>BUT... the cross-over from AEE is valuable for Internext exhibitors/ attendees, wouldn't you agree? I genuinely think so.

no .... but I think I miss a large part of the point of trade shows in general ... none of us aussie companies have ever had a booth, and we used to own probably half of all the traffic in the biz.

I'd love to have a big booth one day for purve with men dancing on tables and lots of couches and coffee tables and giveaways and all that cool shit - but its my ego that wants it, not my accountant LOL

Have you ever been to Oz? I think a few people are planning on coming down for Mardi Gras if you happen to be available for a week in march ;-)))

Rumor has it that AVN are interested in helping with the running of GLIB around Aussie pride weekend.

Rumor has it that AVN are interested in helping with the running of GLIB around Aussie pride weekend. [/b][/quote]
Are you starting rumours again, Lee?! :D (send me details.. aly@avn.com)

Are you starting rumours again, Lee?! :D (send me details.. aly@avn.com) [/b][/quote]
Not at all.

As i recall one of the GLIB organizers told us they were heading to a meeting with AVN who were (and i quote) 'quite excited about the possibility of working with us'.

Fortunately, this show i stayed sober so am able to recall all these bits of information that i would have usually cast aside or forgotten about hehe.

If there was ever an event for AVN to be involved in, Mardi Gras is it!

Lee, are you cuming down under in march?

Leisa (toyboy's girlfriend) and I are having a combined b'day party as mardi gras is the week before our birthdays.

last year was so much fun, I hope this year can come remotely close. 4 days non stop - worse than a convention - long lines at every club, it was pissing down rain, half the floats were falling apart - but we didn't care ... cause we were very happy ;-)

Ya know, right now it doesnt look like its going to be an option this year :(

I have a passport renewal due this month before i head out to Phoenix and we also have the Gay Webmaster Bash events to organize.

Gary and I are adamant that we will make it down under sometime this century though :)

;-(

i'm going to be living in sydney for this mardi gras, so i am planning on a big one :okthumb:
hope to see you here eventually!!

...I'm beginning to see your point. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
I usually get my own way , or I scream and scream and hold my breath til I turn blue.


;-))))

Actually, a cruise ship would be fantastic. Especially with all of the extracurricular stuff they have on ships these days.
You'd get a ticket, you'd get a guaranteed room, you'd have everyone in a finite area so that business could be done and people could be *found*... all kinds of positives to it.

It would be kinda hard for Lensman to throw his GFY warm-up party on a boat, though... maybe they could throw the dingys overboard and string them all together.

I have to say though... I'm not sure how I feel about being stuck out at sea with a few thousand adult webmasters...! LOL.. Perhaps we could remain docked. haha..

I wonder if that spare room is moving to Sydney too....

it sure is! and at this rate, its going to be booked solid so get your reservations in early LOL

Whats the family discount?

That's not what I meant, sorry for the misunderstanding. I mean that it's slated that way because it's cheaper for AVN... rent the hall for a straight week rather than 3 days here, three days there. I can definitely understand the reasoning behind this (the bottom line), but the problem is that it doesn't take the main audience of Internext - the webmasters - into consideration. Perhaps *all* of the AVN stuff should be moved to later in the month. Just rent a straight week the third week of January (or even better, Feb or Mar) rather than the first weekend.

Ehhh.... *wiggles hand*
Mainly just for the video guys and those who deal in physical stock (dvds, toys, etc) marketed to the end-user. We don't need to see Asia to do business with other webmasters, and we don't need to walk through a different convention to know who's the hot up-and-coming porn star that we should be promoting.
I can think of a few ideas where the coinciding trade show would be useful (having a fresh amateur handing out flyers or business cards with a special code to enter her site with for 3 days) to connect with the end user, but not enough to pay the exorbitant prices associated with having them together (hotel fees raised, etc).

If it's the union that is helping to screw things up and cause delays, the first thing to do is find a way to get around the unions. If it were AVN employees manning the computers, would that work?
Airlines have e-tickets (I'm sure we're all familiar with them)... you can't get your ticket unless you scan some form of ID like a driver's license. The birthdate is stored in the license's magnetic strip. So could AVN rent or buy a few of those machines to pass out tickets to people who've pre-registered? The ticket will only print out if the name matches that on the pre-reg ticket and the birthdate says they're an adult. If there's any question, *then* the person goes and talks to the folks behind the computers. Would that work?

That's not what I meant, sorry for the misunderstanding. I mean that it's slated that way because it's cheaper for AVN... rent the hall for a straight week rather than 3 days here, three days there. I can definitely understand the reasoning behind this (the bottom line), but the problem is that it doesn't take the main audience of Internext - the webmasters - into consideration. Perhaps *all* of the AVN stuff should be moved to later in the month. Just rent a straight week the third week of January (or even better, Feb or Mar) rather than the first weekend.

Ehhh.... *wiggles hand*
Mainly just for the video guys and those who deal in physical stock (dvds, toys, etc) marketed to the end-user. We don't need to see Asia to do business with other webmasters, and we don't need to walk through a different convention to know who's the hot up-and-coming porn star that we should be promoting.
I can think of a few ideas where the coinciding trade show would be useful (having a fresh amateur handing out flyers or business cards with a special code to enter her site with for 3 days) to connect with the end user, but not enough to pay the exorbitant prices associated with having them together (hotel fees raised, etc).

If it's the union that is helping to screw things up and cause delays, the first thing to do is find a way to get around the unions. If it were AVN employees manning the computers, would that work?
Airlines have e-tickets (I'm sure we're all familiar with them)... you can't get your ticket unless you scan some form of ID like a driver's license. The birthdate is stored in the license's magnetic strip. So could AVN rent or buy a few of those machines to pass out tickets to people who've pre-registered? The ticket will only print out if the name matches that on the pre-reg ticket and the birthdate says they're an adult. If there's any question, *then* the person goes and talks to the folks behind the computers. Would that work? [/b][/quote]
Thanks for taking the time to write all that!

As far as I know, we do have to use the union employees, but I will see if there's any way around that at all because of course our own staff would be faster. Definitely.

Good thinking on the e-ticket thing. I've got that in my follow-up notes for show management. I really like that idea, too. I can't tell you if it's actually do-able yet, but I think it would definitely be moving with the times. Even if you still have to show ID, you could print out your own badge and just show ID to someone on the way in, rather like airport security. I'm pushing hard for this sort of solution, so now I just need to find out if it's feasable.

Thanks for your feedback on the value of the AEE crossover. It's appreciated.

I for one would again like to thank Aly for at least listening to what everyone has to say. That's much appreciated.

And to answer the question, for me at least, I see no value from this side of the biz to having Internext overlap AEE/AVN. Our interests and goals for these shows are totally different in most cases.

There may be a small percentage of those who produce video and such who like to go to both, but as Aly pointed out earlier, the only extra cost to them if the date moved would be a couple of extra plane tickets.

Nah it wouldnt.

They did it before and had chicks pissing on the boat and then drinking it in full public view.

Nah it wouldnt.

They did it before and had chicks pissing on the boat and then drinking it in full public view. [/b][/quote]
I know, that's what I was referring to. If we were already *on* a cruise ship heading out into the ocean, it would be hard for Lensman to have everyone hop onto *another* ship for the party. (Which is where the dinghy idea came about...)

Whats the family discount? [/b][/quote]
room & board in exchange for cleaning duties :D

I second that, thank you for giving everyone an opportunity to put their views forward :okthumb:

very smart move for AVN to put Aly in this role
not many could have handled this thread so well

room & board in exchange for cleaning duties :D [/b][/quote]
Gonz.. Fuck cleaning... I've got 2 spare rooms.. and a maid ;-)

Gonz.. Fuck cleaning... I've got 2 spare rooms.. and a maid ;-) [/b][/quote]
I think I'd suit Austalia , and Australia me.


After , of course , we got past the:

"Oy mate!!!!"
"What mate?"
"Fuck of back to pom ya limey cunt"

stage :)