Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Hey

(sorry i have to stop laughing)

We aren't repsonsible for the site/s our software powers - you have to manage your own business.

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Proves what? That the url was your idea - don't think so and if you came up with that name you are lying and I now will challenge you and Mark to a polygraph test... lets get this over with and see who is really being truthful.

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Mark produce this request or I will share the real emails.

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA
HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh my god dude She's got us!

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

So it's not in your interst for them to succeed or your just really good at picking people destined to fail no matter how hard they try.

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Don't threaten me you fucking idiot. If you're going to post the email then be my guest, just be damn sure you post ALL of them. And don't forget to post the several phones call to you too asking for the same thing.

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

I kinda feel like Serge Oprano here, I just had a nice Cahors big fat red and this is a most interesting thread. However, someone that has been in the business less than a year, with this much bravado is breath taking. Shellee, you should be listening, not talking. I don't know Mark, but I do know most of the others here, and apart from maybe Rcourt, you have the least experience of anyone. You don't even have the experience to understand that you don't have the experience and Mark is chewing you up and spitting you out and you don't even know it. This is kinda like david and goliath, but you don't have any rocks to throw. You need to learn a little humility girl. But that is just my humble opinion and I have only been doing this for a short while.

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Shellee as I said a bazillion times, we all tried very hard to help you to succeed with your chat site. It is not our fault if you ignored virtually every damn thing we tried to teach you.

What did we try to teach you? We tried to teach you

- To go slow. Take your time, and learn about the business.

- Hire 1 model at a time, and train her very carefully.

- Promote what you've got. If you're going to have red-haired girls chatting on your site, promote red-haired girls. Don't use super-models with perfect figures of you're going to have Big-Mac Scoffing bitches.

- Monitor your traffic. Learn to read the stats.

- Choose Keywords VERY carefully. 10,000 hits a day for "free sex" will not translate into $10,000 a day, or even $1.00 per day.

I can go on and on but you get the point. Or probably, you don't.

I'm sleepy....

m

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Ok I'm not even mad now I'm just laughing... are you kidding?

this is silly though but... okay, if your insist:

ALL YOUR SITES ARE IN CONSTRUCTION (which means the billing companies won't approve them until they're done)


Hey should i list them?

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Calling her an idiot when you don't even know that MAC address tracking is common? When you get your info from Wikipedia articles? When you expect others to do the same?

Please. You are obviously as idiotic and ignorant as people GET.

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Hi Moetheman,

As anyone will tell you, I like to learn.

Will you sir, please, PLEASE tell me how you can get my Mac Address? Even better, can you please post my MAC Address right here, right now?

I am looking at my mac address right now. Please prove to me (and everyone else here) that (a) you know what you're talking about, and (b) that a Mac address is obtainable.

I will even give you a head start. My IP address is 205.150.5.126.

If you can obtain my mac address I will be completely impressed, and shut the hell up about Mac addresses in the future. Even better I will post a huge-assed apology to you for doubting you, and then french-kiss Media guy because Hey - he's one sexy, sexy man.

3...2...1.... BEGIN!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Yes it is in our interest.

In you, we failed...

and now we're stuck with your brand of mental illness... please take care of yourself - i know there's moments where you know what I mean...

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Ridiculous response, and a pathetic attempt at drawing attention away from the points I raised, which were - in case you still did not get them - that you are awful ignorant (for not knowing something as elementary as that, and resorting to Wikipedia for a reference LOL) and idiotic (for concluding that others are as ignorant as you are when denying that Gonzo caught you posting under another user account) to be calling someone a fucking idiot.

You are pathetic kid, you obviously are not even capable of seeing that you are digging your own grave business wise with all this being verbally abusive and disrespectful toward a woman, who is a FORMER CLIENT of yours . . . it's almost painful to watch you do it . . . you really do think that others cannot see right through you, you really do . . . amazing.

(YAWN)

Get your MAC address so I can impress an ignoramus such as yourself? PLEASE MAN. Quit humiliating yourself . . .

(YAWN)

Now go on, keep talking more shit, while attempting to avoid the points I brought up, go on, you are awful predictable you know . . .

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

what billing companies? These are not paysites except www.mrbulge.com which was programmed by webscribbles and we don't plan on billing customers for awhile so feel free to grab a free membership.

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Ok well then why was this my fault or responsibility when I had paid you for Website Support Services as well as for Custom Web Design for a full year in our contract... Why do you not have the releases for these girls images that you used? REFUND my money for designing with stolen content or unauthorized images. You can see page 4 of 20 of our contract here http://www.esenterprises.com/2much-contract.jpg

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

I did learn you are a scammer and you stole money from me at every turn changing percentages and fees and trying to charge for stuff included in my contract etc... You still owe me $2000.00 for telling me how great I was doing and should upgrade my license which I did not agree to and you took the money any way - Now you say I was doing shitty and have criticism about what I did do and learn but it was anther story when you wanted me to write you a check.

I had the traffic brokers call and tell me to stop buying traffic to your site because they had a $20K a month client accuse you of stealing it. The funny thing is right before that call you sent me an email telling me I had to start buying traffic from you.

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Moetheman:

Sorry dude, but look. You are the one saying that MAC ADDRESS tracking is all over the place. I am only asking you how you know that? I am asking you to prove it? There's no reason to be hostile. If I've made you mad, I'm sorry.

If you can get anyone's MAC address over the Internet, how can you do it?

I really don't think that you can do this. No reason to get mad at me.

TCP/IP networks use both the IP addresses and MAC addresses of connected computers. A computer's assigned IP address changes over time, but the MAC address of the computer network adapter is fixed.

It is usually not possible for a person to get the MAC address of a computer from its IP address alone. These two addresses originate from different sources. Simply stated, a computer's own hardware configuration determines its MAC address while the configuration of the network it is connected to determines its IP address.

However, computers connected to the same TCP/IP local network can determine each other's MAC addresses. The technology called ARP - Address Resolution Protocol included with TCP/IP makes it possible. Using ARP, each computer maintains a list of both IP and MAC addresses for each device it has recently communicated with.

Most computers allow you to see the list of IP and MAC addresses that ARP has collected there.

In Windows, Linux and other operating systems, the command line utility "arp" shows this information. Using "arp," you can in fact determine the MAC address of some computers from their IP address. ARP works only within the small group of computers on a local area network (LAN), though, not across the Internet. ARP is intended for use by system administrators and is not generally useful as a way to track down computers and people on the Internet.

So then, I repeat the question. Please tell me how you, a person connected to me only via Internet (WAN), can obtain my MAC address when it is only available to other machines inside my local area network.

Here is 1 way to do it. If I wanted to get your Mac address, I could get you to download a program to your computer, and run it. (The MAC address is easily obtained from any program running on your machine). This program could then broadcast (via sending a message, Posting, or send an email) to me with your MAC address.

I however, could not sit here, and run a magic program, enter your IP address, and grab your Mac address. I'm sorry, but AS FAR AS I KNOW BECAUSE I AM NO NETWORK EXPERT HERE, I do not THINK that this cannot be done.

I am not trying to put you on the spot dude, I'm sorry. I am just asking you (or anyone) to show me how to get a Mac address of any machine on the Internet.

Cheers!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

This thread brought to you by....

http://bestuff.com/images/images_of_...chup-10045.jpg

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

No Shellee,

You are wrong on all of these points. We already credited you when you asked for it. And if you recall, you also took very quick advantage of an ommission in our contract and forced us to give you even more credit which you did not deserve in my opinion, but that we gave to you anyway. Please go back to your copies of your account statement with 2Much to verify this.

In addition, we never demanded that you buy traffic from us. We had purchased 500,000 clicks from a reputable pay per click broker and obtained a discount which we offered to pass on to you and our other clients. Not only was the traffic very targeted, but included stats and a method for you to manage the traffic via keywords that you could have selected.

Mark Prince

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Shellee,

Quick question: I don't ever recall having PINK contracts. What are you up to anyway?

Anyway, You purchased a license to use our software. You did not purchase the use of the images of our girls or their model releases.

When you add girls to your website via our Mbase system (http://www.2much.net/mbase.html) you have the right to use their image because (a) the webmaste the girl works for is allowing it by adding her to mbase in the first place.

When that webmaster unshares that girl from mbase, or that girl quits or whatever, then you no longer have the right (nor the need) to continue to display that girls picture.

You were asked at least 3 times in 3 months to stop doing what you were doing, because it aided no one (especially not you), was disrespectful to the talent, etc. There is nothing in our contract that guarantees the use of any chat model's pictures on your website unless we sell you the rights to that image, AND you have the valid 2257 info, Model Release, etc etc.

What if the feds had knocked on your door and asked you for her 2257 info? What would you have done then?

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Here is what Shellee is talking about by the way....


http://www.esenterprises.com/2much-contract.jpg




Does anyone else here see anything about the rights to the use of images of any performers? I sure don't! And by the way Shellee, once again, why did you color our contract PINK? WTF?

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

This board is a fucking train wreck.
First Gonzo posts my real name...
Then the majority of the lemmings on here think that is just fine...
I still have not seen anyone post their first name, last name and birthdate...
Gonzo says it's cool to post personal information here especially if you can find it elsewhere on the net and copy/paste it here.

Cmon everyone and help make Oprano THE place for personal attacks and a library of personal information.

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Nice try. Made me mad? I'm yawning here . . . as can be seen in my previous post.

I'm not here to give you lessons, Jack.

The original point was, and still is, that you denied (out of ignorance and stupidity as I mentioned above) that MAC address tracking is even possible, upon being notified by Gonzo that he had caught you posting under another account by comparing MAC addresses.

No one was talking about someone being connected to you in that fashion, and you know this.
The scenario being discussed was you connected to a web application that is configured to track MAC addresses. Which is how you were caught posting under an account other than the one you are using in this thread.

No one said that was the case . . . that's laughable.

Put ME on the spot? You are the one that has just showed the world that:

You are ignorant. This is basic stuff.

You are stupid. You assumed others are as ignorant as
you are.

You started talking shit on another thread under an
account other than the one you are using now, were
caught by the board owner, attempted to deny it based
on technological grounds, and don't have the balls to admit to it.

Be a man, admit it.

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

I recognize lots of people giving advice that have never earned shit online.
Not all are newbies either, many have been lurking for years and still don't earn shit.

Here is a bit of advice from someone that has been making LOTS of money online for 12 years.

This is not the place where any money is made.
Work on your business instead of posting on message boards.

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

But if I am so stupid how could I ever take advantage of a brilliant man like you?

By the way here is the traffic demand email you sent...
Mark,



----- Original Message ----- From: Shellee Hale
To: Mark Prince
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Idea...



Mark,

Your offer makes no sense. You state:

If you do not follow our advice and
do not advertise your site, then we will not help you for free as
described in "Part 1".

But Part 1 states:

Part 1:
Get CCBill to approve your websites. Send us your CCBill Username
and password and we will install your account on both websites for
you at a cost of $250.00 per website. You cannot make money for
yourself or for us without the ability to bill your clients. Your
previous sub-account is no longer available and cannot be
re-installed, sorry.

There is nothing free in Part 1. Also, this does not mean that our current contract is invalid and there are still outstanding monies that are due me until you provide the amended contract.

Please refund the $1000.00 per website and then charge the $250.00 to install ccbill and then email me the suggestion you have from

Part 3.
Advertise your website.
Greg Jones and I will have a meeting this week and review your site,
your performers and your current traffic. We will then make some
suggestions for you that you MUST follow, including the purchase of
some Pay Per Click Traffic from 2Much as well as from other
sources, and other advertising avenues. The cost for these services
will come out of your pocket. If you do not follow our advice and
do not advertise your site, then we will not help you for free as
described in "Part 1".

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Moetheman,

Let's be clear on this. I'm not that person, period, and that the "proof" that it was me is by my Mac Address. Not only do you believe him, but you also claimed earlier that Mac Address tracking is common.

Am I a networking guru? No. I am saying that Obtaining a Mac Address via the Internet is impossible, unless an application is installed on a PC which broadcasts that mac address.

If you are not a networking expert and cannot prove me wrong, then thats ok. Whoever you are, I don't hate you for it. Please, dude, chill a sec..

... but if there is a networking expert reading this who can show me how it is done, I would REALLY like to know how. From what I have read (yes on Wiki), it is impossible. Could I be wrong? Hell yes. I'm sorry if I came off to you as a networking expert earlier - it certainly wasn't my intention to do so. I never called you ignorant or stupid and I don't see why you get to call me that. Can you at least show me a link to a place that says obtaining MAC address IS possible?

However if it is your opinion of me that I'm stupid and ignorant, then oh well. I won't say the same about you, sorry. I don't even know you. However, I must refuse any free drinks for you from me at Internext or Qwebec Expo this summer then, sorry!

(no)Cheers!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Dude, you may be rich. Or you may not. There is a dealership down the street from me that sells that lotus you post as a big deal and they are about 60K or so....the price of a useful volvo. You posted a picture of a motorcycle...no idea how much that cost but I am sure it is not a lot. You live in a hood that 500K buys you a house. I live in a three bedroom apartment that doubles that. So I have no idea how much you make. You say....and that is just your call...that you give away a million bucks a year. I am sure that is not verified by KPMG.
But here is the deal. We have a mutual friend who speaks very highly of you....I believe you performed the ceremony in Costa Rica. But that in no way means you are as stinking rich as you post. What you do for the traffic rats is one thing. We are not that interested. You have no idea if money is made here or not. Like I said earlier, I have tons of respect for what you do. You may or may not be able to afford that little Lotus. But that is not the point. It should have occurred to you some time ago, that you are posting with your peers and to lighten up. BTW, I have earned shit online for a couple of years, so I have a inkling of what I am saying here. I hope we meet someday and this is just a memory because I think you are winding yourself up about nothing. You had a perfectly plausible response to the legal issue. I think most believed you. I did.

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Well then call "soundslikebullshit" back up and tell him to come on and say who he really is... You said you already called to tell him to change his MAC address so who is it?

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

To clarify Shellee, we had offered you a discount price of our LiveCamNetwork in exchange for revenue share with you. After 6 months or so we still had made no money from this arrangement with you. When you purchased the license at the discount rate you assured us it would be a team effort. In the end we felt that we had been tricked, and more importantly, our time spent assisting you completely wasted.

The fact that you were then demanding credit you did not deserve, taking advantage of something we left out of our contract, free services, refusing to remove images that you did not own etc, refusing to take our advice, refusing to put on quality content etc, prompted that email. If you did not follow our suggestions (or at least offer qualified reasons why you would not), then we would no longer continue those free services and instead charge you Per Service.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Why does the phrase Turnkey Website keep running through my head? :rolleyes:

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

No Shellee,

What I said was is that I think I had an idea who it was based on the computer domain / workgroup name because sometimes, this is obtainable over the net. This person assures me it is not her and that is the end of it. I did not mention Mac addresses.

Mark

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Now that brings back memories. Decisions, decisions.

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Hi Rhetorical,

I don't think that this is what Dirty D meant. I think he's making a point about how this thread is a complete waste of time, and he's right. Thank god its Sunday and the weather's shitty outside.

I'm going home. Goodnight everyone!

http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Not sure what my post has to do with my car or motorcycle.

I am talking about earning money online vs shooting your mouth off.

I pay $1 Million Dollars EVERY Year to affiliates in addition to what they have earned.
This obviously means my business makes plenty of money and I take it seriously.

Perhaps you and your online ventures make millions also, since you took offense to my post.
It was obviously geared toward those that are experts in theory but not practice.

My point here is that there are many of my "peers" on here don't make shit but are full of advice.

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

I do believe him - because it's true!

And I reiterate that claim. You simply missed the context being discussed, namely, a web application tracking a visitor's MAC address, which is how you were caught . . .

No need to be a guru to know it . . . please.

HA HA HA - coming at me with the authority card? when talking about technology? You are clueless. Telling me to chill? Have you been nippin' on the cooking sherry?

Once again, I am not here to give you lessons. The information is freely available. Learn the same way I did, and do: find the right information, and read it, and understand it. Google is your friend if you are too cheap to buy a decent textbook.

Find it yourself. Oh, but it is ok to sit there and call a woman who is bringing up legitimate grievances several names is it? Don't try to play the victim here . . .

Yeah, like I would need your free drinks . . . how cute.

LOL

Point stands, you were caught posting under another account.

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

I have always hated the term "Turnkey" myself but actually it is a good description of what LiveCamNetwork does. It's a video chat system that includes things like billing, accounting, user management, performer management, ability to network with other sites, etc.

It's still completely non-turnkey though to let owners customize the look and feel any way that they want, hire their own chat models, charge anything they like per minute, and pay anything they want per minute.

When people purchase our system, we advise them on how to use it. We even give them free access to our own business model which has worked for us for years.

(We would be pleased to offer a demo if anyone is interested! Even better, if you qualify, we would consider giving the right customer a FREE LiveCamNetwork license in exchange for a small revenue share.

If it works for you, great! Hopefully you will understand our grief with Shellee Hale. If it does not work for you, then at least you're out absolutely no money.

Shellee's unfortunate experience with 2Much derives from the fact that she simply ignored virtually every bit of advice we offered her and that is what lead to (continues to lead to) the pissing contest you see here. Oh well.

Contact us at 2Much!
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

There's good reason to hate the term, since the vast majority of them are scams and rarely earn anyone but the site seller a dime.

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

D, I feel like shaking you by the fucking collar. I am not taking offense at your posts I am supporting you. I have been all along. The million dollar thing is for your customers. I have no idea if you pay that out or not. Nor do I fucking care. The car thing is another bling thing that may or may not sell product. That is not the issue. What you put in the bank is and I have no idea what you put in the bank. But online, you pitch rich. So, when you fire broadsides on a board of your...no fear quotes necessary...your peers, then that all means shit. We all do that. It is how we make our living. So stop ragging on me for trying to make you look good. OK?

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

Moetheman,

If the information is freely available, why don't you show me where it is? You are the one saying that Mac Addresses are available for any Pc on the Internet. You are the one doing the acusing now. All I am asking you for is How? Where?

Let's take a step back for a moment. Forget you hate me. Instead, lets work together to find out if it is possible to obtain a MAC address the way you are describing. Ok?

If MAC Addresses are obtainable, why don't we ALL discover how this is done? This kind of thing can be very useful to webmasters, billing companies, etc.

If the MAC Addresses were visible to companies like CCBill, they could use it to stop credit card fraud in a second. Think about this: If you discovered that someone was using stolen credit cards to buy from your website, you could block their MAC address and then never be frauded by that guy again!
Blocking the IP Address, like blocking the email address, is pointless because people can easily get another IP or email address. Blocking MAC Addresses would be a miracle for credit card processors.

So tell me again: If a person's visit to a website such as Oprano is trackable by Mac Addresses, don't you think Mac addressing blocks would be in place? Surprise, they're not. Why? Because it is impossible for any means for 1 machine to obtain the mac address of another machine over a WAN, unless the target is running an application that reads the mac address of that machine in the first place.

Kisses,
Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Re: Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?
 

I am out of my league here. I remember at the first conference I went to a guy got up to monitor a panel in the newbies seminar he said "adult is a close group and if we don't like you we will destroy you." Now I clearly know what he meant. I am definitely losing fans here quickly and not for being right or wrong but for even responding. I guess an apology is warranted and some rest.

Dirty D was right being the newest one I really do need to work as I have a lot to try and fix and learn to earn respect around here.

I am going to work on redeeming myself another way.