I think there 3 possible scenarios here:

1) We are talking about two totally different things and neither camp realizes it
2) HP has stopped producing content
3) HP has been kidnapped by aliens, is currently getting an anal probe and this is his temporary replacement

If he walks funny the next time we see him, we'll know....................... :unsure:

LOL! I think you're right, Peaches.

... About everything! :rolleyes:

I think there 3 possible scenarios here:

1) We are talking about two totally different things and neither camp realizes it
2) HP has stopped producing content
3) HP has been kidnapped by aliens, is currently getting an anal probe and this is his temporary replacement

If he walks funny the next time we see him, we'll know....................... :unsure: [/b][/quote]
It's actually number 4.

Though there may be some of number 1 in there as well. All due respect to everyone involved, but I'm rapidly becoming convinced that unless you've tried running both a TGP and a paysite you cant understand all issues of both sides.

As for my content being linked to kiddie porn, beastie content or whatever. Yeah, of course I'd kill the affiliate, but it has nothing to do with the hot linked content itself, it's just I dont wanna do business with anyone doing CP and whatnot.

But no, I dont care if they skim one of my thumbs from the preview page. I accept it as nature of the beast. But I also have two other things in my back pockets that I've learned from being on both sides:

1) For a user who is interested enough that he might actually join, the skimmed link wont deter him most of the time. If a girl or subject matter really catchs his eye and he gets redirected, he'll mutter under his breath and click it again. Again, i'm a geek, I analyze my stats and logs like a stockbroker analyzes charts.

2) Any content I release for TGP posting is pretty much a throw away to me. I've yet to give away a single pic that shows pink. If they're enticed enough by the rest of the image to wanna see that, it'll pull 'em to the tour. Then it's in my hands as the paysite owner to close the deal. And that's all I can ask for.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going outside and explain quantum physics to one of the rocks in my yard. :P

I've always been willing to try anything new...realizing you have to break dem eggs for an omlette.

Content aint king.....traffic is.

I love you :)

I said that years ago.

Now traffic is King , what you do with it is the Emperor.

You could teach me how to do math in my head - same results. :P

I love you :)

I said that years ago.

Now traffic is King , what you do with it is the Emperor. [/b][/quote]
Absinthe is the devils nectar.

Nick you florished under emperour pt barnum.

Emperour david ogilve and sam walton have begun their rule.

Interesting note....I witnessed my first real life shave tonight... I've seen several parties that shaved that webmaster ass by using pt barnum as a guide line. Promise em free booze and an over the top party....hype it real hard and deliver a cash bar, and a paty that's so cheesy that kraft was pulled up in the back to take away the excess and a return shuttle ride that a nigger has to pay for if you want to leave early.

I especially liked the one that had 6 sponsors and all the free beer you could drink as long as it didn't exceed one keg.

Free the player haters ball!!

Oh and FREE WISEMAN!!!

Before we continue ...

I never said anything about REMOVING the skim, I have been asking how many ways it can be applied that don't involve the photos. I didn't throw the first childish insult my dear ... posting after a few too many scotches the other day were you!?

On the subject of the skim. You go to your sponsor all the time and say 'i want credit for exits' and 'i demand you stop doing this or i won't promote you' etc. i'm giving tgp's conditions on how my galleries can be used.

And before I set those conditions, I'd like to understand what's possible, and how far you will bother to vary your system to suit a specific sponsors needs.

In my case, linking the thumbs to a porn tgp has legal consequences with unnecessarily high risk ... but I can have text links or toplists for other tgp's (that you are skimming to), rows of porn thumbs at the bottom of the page on the gallery pages or any other addition you may require to ensure MY THUMBS don't link to other tgp's.

Your thread experiment backfired ... what you and gonzo were using to sniff out sponsors has resulted in my fortunate finding of some tgp onwers who I'm looking forward to doing business with, and those who I know not to bother approaching :okthumb:

The number of rules an affiliate has to follow is inversely proportional to the total dollars they make a sponsor...

Before we continue ...

I never said anything about REMOVING the skim, I have been asking how many ways it can be applied that don't involve the photos. I didn't throw the first childish insult my dear ... posting after a few too many scotches the other day were you!?

On the subject of the skim. You go to your sponsor all the time and say 'i want credit for exits' and 'i demand you stop doing this or i won't promote you' etc. i'm giving tgp's conditions on how my galleries can be used.

And before I set those conditions, I'd like to understand what's possible, and how far you will bother to vary your system to suit a specific sponsors needs.

In my case, linking the thumbs to a porn tgp has legal consequences with unnecessarily high risk ... but I can have text links or toplists for other tgp's (that you are skimming to), rows of porn thumbs at the bottom of the page on the gallery pages or any other addition you may require to ensure MY THUMBS don't link to other tgp's.

Your thread experiment backfired ... what you and gonzo were using to sniff out sponsors has resulted in my fortunate finding of some tgp onwers who I'm looking forward to doing business with, and those who I know not to bother approaching :okthumb: [/b][/quote]
Well one thing to know, paid spots will likely be more flexible than general submissions. Most tgp owners are more flexable that way, for obvious reasons :)

You get one of these! :pearl:

This is quite true as well.

Why?

If I were to make a rule that tgp's had to have pics on html pages, would THAT make the affiliate less money? What about no pink in galleries? ... what about not being able to publish certain galleries in certain places? What about not letting affiliates do things which will cause chargebacks?

Plenty of rules a sponsor could come up with that would HELP the affiliate make more dollars, not less ... to assume that sponsors put rules in place so that affiliates will make LESS money is just rediculous. Rules are to PROTECT the sponsor from affiliates doing things which later causes the sponsor problems. Your statement says that if a sponsor is trying to protect themselves, they are screwing the affiliate (and themselves) out of making money?!

:rolleyes:

But we aren't talking about sponsors making rules, we are talking about TGP's making rules and refusing to adjust them in any way - even to bring content in which would keep surfers.

But as HP has informed us:

"All due respect to everyone involved, but I'm rapidly becoming convinced that unless you've tried running both a TGP and a paysite you cant understand all issues of both sides. "

LMAO
Nobody knows as much about this subject as HP, therefore we are all wrong and he is right :rolleyes:

Thanks for opening our eyes HP - its a pity that with all your years of experience at both tgp's AND paysites, you still couldn't share a single piece of productive information with us in this thread. :awinky:

Funny, I was thinking the same thing!

CJ,

I respect your opinion, really, I do. And I have honestly been trying to discuss this thing in a business like manner. I think after all of the gnawing and gnashing of teeth is done there's things to be learned on both sides.

However, when the subject of TGPs comes up, you really let the venom fly and seem to so strongly disapprove of the current model that you want to re-design it. And anyone who disagrees is a moron.

The conclusions I've drawn from this thread are:

1) There's still a lot of hard headed people here where TGP's are concerned....on both sides.

2) Some sponsors do not like redirects off preview thumbs, but most of them tolerate it because they want the traffic.

3) Both TGP owners and sponsors become very flexible if the money is right.

Now, if you'll excuse me, today I'm teaching my rock 370 assembly language.

>Now, if you'll excuse me, today I'm teaching my rock 370 assembly language.

yeah you are really trying to discuss this thing in a business like manner :okthumb:

It appears that while you have been trying to teach your rock, your head got stuck under it.

So before you lecture me anymore about what you call my 'general dislike for the tgp model', know that while I dislike the model I think its too late to change it and that the generic paysite model will fall before the tgp model will.

Its this simple ... nobody wants to pay for anything if they can help it, so there will always be more demand for free porn than there are for paysites - what surfers want, someone will give them because their EYES are what is valuable. Conversions on most paysite niches are not worth bothering with anymore for me, my women's and gay sites are the only sites that have stayed pretty consistent throughout the years.

I have been offered good $ on many occasions for ad spots on purve, i've always declined because the site was there for affiliates to make money off, not for me to sell other products with their traffic - and I was making enough selling paysite subscriptions.

This worked when purve converted 1/50 @ $20 - 30 per month with 6 months average retention ... It was easy when there were hardly any sites on the internet. Retention has dropped over the years in a steady decline, and its because many companies have started building 'portals' for women with all the editorial stuff i'm charging for FREE on their portals. Why? Because womens EYES are so valuable, you can afford to spend all that money developing content just to sell ad spots.

While I will always hold comtempt for the tgp model ruining a perfectly good business, I am just annoyed because it has made me have to change my own business model. But I'm over it already. It's fine, I'm in my element in the world of branding, bookmarkers and providing free samples anyway ... remember, I get people to think about surfing my sites before they even get to the internet, let alone a search engine - the media is a wonderful tool, and the media doesn't have a traffic skim. ;-)