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quiet 11-25-2003 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23+Nov 25 2003, 02:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (stocktrader23 @ Nov 25 2003, 02:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 25 2003, 02:43 PM
Fletch I posted to you in another thread, why don't you mind your own business


Labret - what are you giving you little fan club here to come to your support?

I stand by my statements

Labret is trying to hard to be a tough man behind a keyboard and thinking of justifications for your behaviors, hiding behind your supposed studies of ethnomethodology

A sad fat attention whore

hiding behind the name of studies when in reality Labret's doing it to garner attention be it good or bad

and what's even funnier Labret's has some (maybe even including himself) deluded into believing it -

your little fan club so to speak - those with minds that you can impress -
you won't find many of those here so you had to bring a few to keep your deflated sense of self esteem puffed up

I was correct when I guessed Labert has issues stemming from childhood, wasn't I?

How does it feel to be dissected it 3 days?


There's easy cracks, tough cracks but no impossible cracks

Now I'll continue listening to the patent attorneys

Did you pay somebody to type that up for you? You just keep pasting it over and over. If you want to piss at least learn some basic skills. You're just annoying.[/b][/quote]
either way, it's more or less a copy and paste from another post:

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?a...9d1cb4ca7a48cd3

Cirrus 11-25-2003 05:57 PM

:stout:

Vick 11-25-2003 06:03 PM

a bunch of GFY rejects ah ha ha ha ha ha

stocktrader23 11-25-2003 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 25 2003, 03:11 PM
a bunch of GFY rejects ah ha ha ha ha ha
In just a few hours I have you all figured out.

You are the Michael Jackson of Oprano.

sarettah 11-25-2003 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23@Nov 25 2003, 06:31 PM
You are the Michael Jackson of Oprano.
:unsure:

JR 11-25-2003 06:25 PM

drama.

for all those who have achieved their full potential as human beings before 10a.m. and found the rest of their day empty.

Vick 11-25-2003 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23+Nov 25 2003, 06:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (stocktrader23 @ Nov 25 2003, 06:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 25 2003, 03:11 PM
a bunch of GFY rejects ah ha ha ha ha ha
In just a few hours I have you all figured out.

You are the Michael Jackson of Oprano.[/b][/quote]
How can you type with Labret's cock in your mouth ah ha ha ha

Don't like seeing the truth about your hero

and I don't understand your statement at all (you probably don't either)




JR - it's not like you haven't done it, I'm admittedly caught up in it for a few days - I'll have better things to do later this week :awinky:

[Labret] 11-25-2003 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 25 2003, 03:39 PM

How can you type with Labret's cock in your mouth ah ha ha ha





http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?a...a971417341dce61

Quote:


Is it hard to type with Serge cock in your mouth?

That makes me sad.

And you say you learn nothing from me.

Winetalk.com 11-25-2003 06:45 PM

Labret,
who was the inventor of punk rock?

Vick got you, you just don't know it yet
;-0))

[Labret] 11-25-2003 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 25 2003, 03:53 PM
Labret,
who was the inventor of punk rock?

Vick got you, you just don't know it yet
;-0))

I appreciate your desire to increase impressions, but if the insinuation is that the Ramones started punk... good god. Stick with what you know Serge.

As for my answer, I dont think anyone one band / person can be pointed to as the originator of punk. There are many styles of punk. Punk rock is not just a sound, its also a state of mind. I have my ideas of how it all started and whom influenced whom, but Fletch can give a better description of the progression of rock into punk rock.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 25 2003, 03:59 PM

Peaches 11-25-2003 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 25 2003, 07:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 25 2003, 07:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 25 2003, 03:39 PM

How can you type with Labret's cock in your mouth ah ha ha ha





http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?a...a971417341dce61

Quote:


Is it hard to type with Serge cock in your mouth?

That makes me sad.

And you say you learn nothing from me.[/b][/quote]
Gosh, yeah, when you said it yesterday, that was the first time it's EVER been said here, on other message boards or IRL. :unsure: You are truly the creator of that saying and Vick merely learned it from you. :P

Vick 11-25-2003 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 25 2003, 06:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 25 2003, 06:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 25 2003, 03:39 PM

How can you type with Labret's cock in your mouth ah ha ha ha





http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?a...a971417341dce61

Quote:


Is it hard to type with Serge cock in your mouth?

That makes me sad.

And you say you learn nothing from me.[/b][/quote]
Didn't realize you originated that line nor did I say I never learned anythign from you
- really you didn't but you did use it here first -

Didn't think of it at the time I was responding to your fan club


Hey Labret - still haven't figured out the cultural and social significance of the Ramones, have you? :biglaugh:

Gabba Gabba Hey

stocktrader23 11-25-2003 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vick+Nov 25 2003, 03:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Nov 25 2003, 03:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:

Originally posted by -stocktrader23@Nov 25 2003, 06:31 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Vick
Quote:

@Nov 25 2003, 03:11 PM
a bunch of GFY rejects ah ha ha ha ha ha


In just a few hours I have you all figured out.

You are the Michael Jackson of Oprano.

How can you type with Labret's cock in your mouth ah ha ha ha

Don't like seeing the truth about your hero

and I don't understand your statement at all (you probably don't either)




JR - it's not like you haven't done it, I'm admittedly caught up in it for a few days - I'll have better things to do later this week :awinky:[/b][/quote]
I know exactly what I meant. Should I paste it again for more emphasis?

By the way, I have Labret's cock in my mouth simple for pointing out that you are an idiot? Who said I was taking up for Labret? I questioned how you could point out someone has issues when you yourself are clearly deranged. I do believe Labret can handle his own.

stocktrader23 11-25-2003 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 25 2003, 03:59 PM
QUOTE (Vick @ Nov 25 2003, 03:39 PM)

Didn't think of it at the time I was responding to your fan club

How long did it take you to "figure" that one out? Yea me and Labret go way back. I always was a sucker for the extremely perverse porn niche.

Winetalk.com 11-25-2003 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23+Nov 25 2003, 07:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (stocktrader23 @ Nov 25 2003, 07:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 25 2003, 03:59 PM
QUOTE (Vick @ Nov 25 2003, 03:39 PM)

Didn't think of it at the time I was responding to your fan club

How long did it take you to "figure" that one out? Yea me and Labret go way back. I always was a sucker for the extremely perverse porn niche.[/b][/quote]
how come Hans Burger didn't make a pic of your doors?
;-)))

Winetalk.com 11-25-2003 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 25 2003, 06:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 25 2003, 06:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Nov 25 2003, 03:53 PM
Labret,
who was the inventor of punk rock?

Vick got you, you just don't know it yet
;-0))

I appreciate your desire to increase impressions, but if the insinuation is that the Ramones started punk... good god. Stick with what you know Serge.

As for my answer, I dont think anyone one band / person can be pointed to as the originator of punk. There are many styles of punk. Punk rock is not just a sound, its also a state of mind. I have my ideas of how it all started and whom influenced whom, but Fletch can give a better description of the progression of rock into punk rock.[/b][/quote]
Vick, he is all yours!
;-))

do your worst
;-)))

stocktrader23 11-25-2003 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 25 2003, 04:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 25 2003, 04:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:

Originally posted by -stocktrader23@Nov 25 2003, 07:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Vick
Quote:

@Nov 25 2003, 03:59 PM
QUOTE (Vick @ Nov 25 2003, 03:39 PM)

Didn't think of it at the time I was responding to your fan club


How long did it take you to "figure" that one out? Yea me and Labret go way back. I always was a sucker for the extremely perverse porn niche.

how come Hans Burger didn't make a pic of your doors?
;-)))[/b][/quote]
I didn't have any at the time.

Winetalk.com 11-25-2003 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23+Nov 25 2003, 07:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (stocktrader23 @ Nov 25 2003, 07:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:

Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 25 2003, 04:08 PM
Quote:

Originally posted by -stocktrader23@Nov 25 2003, 07:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Vick

Quote:

Quote:

@Nov 25 2003, 03:59 PM
QUOTE (Vick @ Nov 25 2003, 03:39 PM)

Didn't think of it at the time I was responding to your fan club


How long did it take you to "figure" that one out? Yea me and Labret go way back. I always was a sucker for the extremely perverse porn niche.


how come Hans Burger didn't make a pic of your doors?
;-)))

I didn't have any at the time.[/b][/quote]
too bad...I look at people who dealt with Hans DIRECT with some kind of weaked admiration
;-))

Peaches 11-25-2003 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23+Nov 25 2003, 08:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (stocktrader23 @ Nov 25 2003, 08:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 25 2003, 03:59 PM
QUOTE (Vick @ Nov 25 2003, 03:39 PM)

Didn't think of it at the time I was responding to your fan club

How long did it take you to "figure" that one out? Yea me and Labret go way back. I always was a sucker for the extremely perverse porn niche.[/b][/quote]
The beast stuff?

Winetalk.com 11-25-2003 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peaches+Nov 25 2003, 07:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Nov 25 2003, 07:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:

Originally posted by -stocktrader23@Nov 25 2003, 08:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Vick
Quote:

@Nov 25 2003, 03:59 PM
QUOTE (Vick @ Nov 25 2003, 03:39 PM)

Didn't think of it at the time I was responding to your fan club


How long did it take you to "figure" that one out? Yea me and Labret go way back. I always was a sucker for the extremely perverse porn niche.

The beast stuff?[/b][/quote]
Peaches, those guys supplied me with goats...LIVE goats...
;-)))

Vick 11-25-2003 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 25 2003, 06:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 25 2003, 06:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Nov 25 2003, 03:53 PM
Labret,
who was the inventor of punk rock?

Vick got you, you just don't know it yet
;-0))

I appreciate your desire to increase impressions, but if the insinuation is that the Ramones started punk... good god. Stick with what you know Serge.

As for my answer, I dont think anyone one band / person can be pointed to as the originator of punk. There are many styles of punk. Punk rock is not just a sound, its also a state of mind. I have my ideas of how it all started and whom influenced whom, but Fletch can give a better description of the progression of rock into punk rock.[/b][/quote]
Bull - the Ramones originated Punk Rock

in 1975 the Ramones first record was released simply titled "the Ramones"

The Ramones in turn influenced the Sex Pistols and the punk scene expended.

1976 saw the rise of punk rock, with the Sex Pistols as the most visible proponent. The Sex Pistols were a U.K. phenomenon. The majority of the band were already playing together when promoter Malcolm McLaren introduced them to a young "punk, who called himself Johnny Rotten, to be the band’s front man. "The Pistols' stated goal was to ‘destroy rock 'n' roll’--though they meant destroying the bloated albatross that rock 'n' roll had become

It can further be traced to the disenfranchised goth scene of today

Punk was a home for the disenfranchised kids of the late 70's who were bored and tired of the status quo of the music industry and life in general (especially in England where life was viewed very bleakly by teens/20's)


You study ethnomethodology (which is the branch of sociology that deals with the codes and conventions that underlie everyday social interactions and activities) Labret
and Punk Rock had a significant impact on the everyday social interactions of the latter part of the 20th century

It was something your professors never taught you, my questions took you out of your sphere of knowledge

Fletch XXX 11-25-2003 07:15 PM

75?

What about Iggy Pop and his release Raw Power?

And don't forget The Stooges SELF TITLED album in 1969.

http://www.nyrock.com/raw_cd.htm



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Nov 25 2003, 04:24 PM

Nickatilynx 11-25-2003 07:16 PM

Serge,
Diiferences between Scott and labrett.

a.) 60lbs.
b.) The ability to take a punch in the throat and not flinch.
c.) Several Million dollars
d.) I estimate at least 30 iq points in favour of Scotty
e.)Scott IS fucking hard!In real life or on the board.
f.) Scott is a professional and a gentleman

So did you nick Han's content ,Labret?

What did you do to warrant his goons appearance?

;-)))))



Last edited by Nickatilynx at Nov 25 2003, 04:24 PM

Vick 11-25-2003 07:16 PM

So the answer to my question
what significant social and cultural impact did the Ramones have?

was simply ...... They started Punk Rock

Put that in your thesis and smoke it :P

Fletch XXX 11-25-2003 07:17 PM

this guy KNOWS NOTHING about Punk Rock.

The Stooges 1969

[Labret] 11-25-2003 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Nov 25 2003, 04:23 PM
75?

What about Iggy Pop and his release Raw Power?

And don't forget The Stooges SELF TITLED album in 1969.

http://www.nyrock.com/raw_cd.htm

Fuck, and I was just getting ready to go to bed.

[Labret] 11-25-2003 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 25 2003, 04:24 PM
So the answer to my question
what significant social and cultural impact did the Ramones have?

was simply ...... They started Punk Rock

Put that in your thesis and smoke it :P

You fucking fool. I am going to watch Fletch rip you a new asshole.

Vick 11-25-2003 07:18 PM

Iggy Pop was tied into David Bowie - think Raw Power

The Ramones were the first real punk rock

You could give the New York Dolls as another example but they were glitter glam (but had a great trashy sound)

Fletch XXX 11-25-2003 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 25 2003, 04:26 PM
Iggy Pop was tied into David Bowie - think Raw Power

The Ramones were the first real punk rock

You could give the New York Dolls as another example but they were glitter glam (but had a great trashy sound)

You showed what you know by bringing up 2 points.

The Self titled thing as if the Ramones invented it.

Sit down loser, you know fuck all about rock in any way let alone punk rock.

Mr Music History from 55 to current, couldnt name a solid punk band of this day and you couldnt spot one from the past.

You lose hippie.

Vick 11-25-2003 07:20 PM

Show me where anyone referred to the Stooges as Punk Rock before 1975


As I said Punk came about from the Ramones to the Pistols

Iggy is an incredible performer and certainly one of a kind but Punk Started with the Ramones

Winetalk.com 11-25-2003 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Nov 25 2003, 07:25 PM
this guy KNOWS NOTHING about Punk Rock.

The Stooges 1969

yeah...them and all their 27 listeners...

Vick 11-25-2003 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Nov 25 2003, 07:27 PM
The Self titled thing as if the Ramones invented it.

You lose hippie.

I can't believe even you are that dense to make the first statement

Like you win when you proclaim I lost

You don't even get what Punk was about

Are you old enough to remember how boring and ignorant music was in the70's, what actually got played on the radio?

The Ramones were the breathy of fresh air that blew away the stagnant boring mid-70's slock

All you are doing is aping things you have been told or read

I was there

[Labret] 11-25-2003 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 25 2003, 04:24 PM


So did you nick Han's content ,Labret?

What did you do to warrant his goons appearance?

;-)))))

I was working with a different producer, the one that eventually bailed out the bestiality.com crew and brought about the second wave of post Burger crackdown beast sites. Burger tried to take over the entire beast niche, and did for a brief time. Our issues revolved around his claim to content that was not his and what HE felt would be proper compensation.

I laughed at him.

Big mistake.

Winetalk.com 11-25-2003 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Nov 25 2003, 07:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Nov 25 2003, 07:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 25 2003, 04:26 PM
Iggy Pop was tied into David Bowie - think Raw Power

The Ramones were the first real punk rock

You could give the New York Dolls as another example but they were glitter glam (but had a great trashy sound)

You showed what you know by bringing up 2 points.

The Self titled thing as if the Ramones invented it.

Sit down loser, you know fuck all about rock in any way let alone punk rock.

Mr Music History from 55 to current, couldnt name a solid punk band of this day and you couldnt spot one from the past.

You lose hippie.[/b][/quote]
ahhh...so much emotions...
you failing
"Do you wanna be a Volcan" terst
;-)))

stocktrader23 11-25-2003 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Nov 25 2003, 04:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Nov 25 2003, 04:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 25 2003, 04:26 PM
Iggy Pop was tied into David Bowie - think Raw Power

The Ramones were the first real punk rock

You could give the New York Dolls as another example but they were glitter glam (but had a great trashy sound)

You showed what you know by bringing up 2 points.

The Self titled thing as if the Ramones invented it.

Sit down loser, you know fuck all about rock in any way let alone punk rock.

Mr Music History from 55 to current, couldnt name a solid punk band of this day and you couldnt spot one from the past.

You lose hippie.[/b][/quote]
Odd, this same discussion is going on at the ramones message board.


The Ramones

Cheers





Last edited by stocktrader23 at Nov 25 2003, 04:33 PM

Fletch XXX 11-25-2003 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 25 2003, 04:28 PM
Show me where anyone referred to the Stooges as Punk Rock before 1975


As I said Punk came about from the Ramones to the Pistols

Iggy is an incredible performer and certainly one of a kind but Punk Started with the Ramones

Say it all you want you have no clue about punk rock, and you laid it down with your first strike.

The ONLY cultural SIGNIFICANCE the Ramones had in punk rock, was they were one of the few who were not influenced by 3 chord blues, a la Chuck Berry the way some were, even admitting that they TRIED to NOT use such riffs or turn arounds.

Again, I won't carry this that far, you obviously do not know anything past what you watched on some VH1 special.

Winetalk.com 11-25-2003 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23+Nov 25 2003, 07:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (stocktrader23 @ Nov 25 2003, 07:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:

Originally posted by -Fletch XXX@Nov 25 2003, 04:27 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Vick
Quote:

@Nov 25 2003, 04:26 PM
Iggy Pop was tied into David Bowie - think Raw Power

The Ramones were the first real punk rock

You could give the New York Dolls as another example but they were glitter glam (but had a great trashy sound)


You showed what you know by bringing up 2 points.

The Self titled thing as if the Ramones invented it.

Sit down loser, you know fuck all about rock in any way let alone punk rock.

Mr Music History from 55 to current, couldnt name a solid punk band of this day and you couldnt spot one from the past.

You lose hippie.

Odd, this same discussion is going on at the ramones message board.


The Ramones

Cheers[/b][/quote]
we are EVERYWHERE!
;-))

Vick 11-25-2003 07:27 PM

stocktrader23 - thanks I didn't know that
I've never had the opportunity to read the Ramones board

and actually I'd like to apologize to you, Labaret and I have been going back and forth for a few days

Most of the time I am not as animated as I have been recently, if you stick around you'll see

stocktrader23 11-25-2003 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 25 2003, 04:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 25 2003, 04:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:

Originally posted by -stocktrader23@Nov 25 2003, 07:32 PM
Quote:

Originally posted by -Fletch XXX@Nov 25 2003, 04:27 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Vick

Quote:

Quote:

@Nov 25 2003, 04:26 PM
Iggy Pop was tied into David Bowie - think Raw Power

The Ramones were the first real punk rock

You could give the New York Dolls as another example but they were glitter glam (but had a great trashy sound)


You showed what you know by bringing up 2 points.

The Self titled thing as if the Ramones invented it.

Sit down loser, you know fuck all about rock in any way let alone punk rock.

Mr Music History from 55 to current, couldnt name a solid punk band of this day and you couldnt spot one from the past.

You lose hippie.


Odd, this same discussion is going on at the ramones message board.


The Ramones

Cheers

we are EVERYWHERE!
;-))[/b][/quote]
You should send them Vic. I'm sure they'll just love his intellectual insight into the Ramones. :rolleyes:

Fletch XXX 11-25-2003 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23@Nov 25 2003, 04:36 PM

You should send them Vic. I'm sure they'll just love his intellectual insight into the Ramones. :rolleyes:

Vicky reminds me of Gilbert Gottfried, I honestly hear his voice when I read Vickys posts.

http://www.topdrawentertainment.com/Media/gilbert.jpg


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