HAHAHAHAHAHA I just spat my coffee all over my monitor ;-))

Those who increases their payout are probably just looking for attention... I hope they do not attract the wrong kind of attention (scammers, and CBs).

Another point is that most of the programs saying they will not lower their payout, are programs that already have low payout... so why should they change?

Since payouts lag a good month+ behind, it would be possible for people to maintain/increase payouts until about Sept 15 (based on using epoch). I think you are going to see some people doing this short term, hoping to increase market share, but I think by Oct. 1, if these changes stick payouts will settle down.

Strange to quote myself... but it's just a reminder to Brad.
So what's the deal, are you processing with IBILL or not?

Second that motion. I'm falling off the rocker I will be in when I become an old man.

Yes, Flynt Digital has raised payouts for all sites to $40 per paid trial.

As Amber said on GFY, FD makes no apologies for being able to raise payouts at a time when other affiliate programs are dropping theirs.

Our sites have higher than average retention due to the unique content they contain...it's really quite simple.

We all know that a unique, quality site will kick ass over any cookie cutter with plug ins time and time again. THAT is where FD shines.

ARS will only lower payouts if we decide to lower the monthly rate from $39.99 to $29.99. We are still running numbers and looking at all possibilities. We will have final word on Wednesday in a press release.

the only way to get to ibill on this particular tour http://www.kinkybrunettes.com/tour3.html

would be to do a typein... including the /tour3.html... not sure that is really that popular. (if so.. Maybe Diamond JIm would be interested??) . non the less we removed those old ibill pages from our server... so not to confuse anyone ;)

as we have not used ibill as primary since early 2002

Not sure that this is much help to the problem. Basically what's gonna happen is the last ones holding their payouts up high will be the first ones to be but on the Visa TMF list. Once this happens whatever higher % you were making weather it be 10-15% more with them you can kiss goodbye as they'll be out of biz.

Don't view the drop in credit card processor payments as a bad thing, programs will continue to innovate and find ways to put more money in your pocket and their pocket, just expect the days of $40 payouts to go bye bye, if the top dogs in the industry are at 28-30 I'd be suprised as I expect this number to be closer to 23-$26 per credit card signup realistically. Will there still be people at $40 per signup? Yeah probably, but I don't trust em with my money. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.[/b][/quote]
Tooz,

Hate to disagaree with you man, but FlyntDigital is in a position to pay a legitiamate $40 per join, even if we dropped our cross sells completely. In addition, we've never charged 39.99 a month like many others, so we don't have to deal with a huge drop in revenue.

I don't know everyones numbers, but FlyntDigital has the conversions and retention to justify an honest $40 payout......

FlyntDigital.com paying $40 per join starting July 16th!

Revshare programs leave too much up to someone else in order for there to be a good long term payout. PPS still are -- even if payouts dropped by 1/3 -- the most profitable way to manage traffic for the average affiliate.

You can do math all you want to, but when you factor in the time it takes to get paid this supposedly larger payout with revshare then you simply must take that into account as having a negative impact on the bottom line as far as payouts go.

good for fd if they can do it.

i wonder if anybody has every forgotten the name of their own program? ;-)

Tooz,

Hate to disagaree with you man, but FlyntDigital is in a position to pay a legitiamate $40 per join, even if we dropped our cross sells completely. In addition, we've never charged 39.99 a month like many others, so we don't have to deal with a huge drop in revenue.

I don't know everyones numbers, but FlyntDigital has the conversions and retention to justify an honest $40 payout......

FlyntDigital.com paying $40 per join starting July 16th![/b][/quote]
Ken,

You run a tight ship and given that I haven't had legit #'s in front of me in some months I don't disagree that you may be able to do this. What I've seen with other's retention #'s leaves a lot to be desired and a $10 drop in monthly price will definetly coincide with a drop in webmasters payout. I see you're at $34.95 with 2 cross-sells. I can pay $40 per on this all day long :) Was referring to programs that will be at $29.95 with no cross-sells, can you still pay $40 on that? :)

I cannot believe that revshare programs would have even a thought that this will not affect them negatively.

Even if you have a .25% cb rate and you are a recurring program you will still see the impact if you run a reseller program.

The processors are going to be looking way more closely at individual resellers in the coming weeks, I'll bet, and overall scrub is going to tighten, no matter who you are -- Brad mentioned in another thread a comment about what Visa would go to next --- and these processors didn't get where they are without knowing that Visa will probably tighten up again next year - and they have to be prepared -- you simply cannot run your cb level right up to the limit and think that you'll be safe if the limit drops again.

Visa US overall cb rate as of April this year was .05% and that includes all the businesses they process for.

Things are going to get tighter all the way around, and saying that revshare wont suffer right along with every other type of system is bullshit.

Ken,

You run a tight ship and given that I haven't had legit #'s in front of me in some months I don't disagree that you may be able to do this. What I've seen with other's retention #'s leaves a lot to be desired and a $10 drop in monthly price will definetly coincide with a drop in webmasters payout. I see you're at $34.95 with 2 cross-sells. I can pay $40 per on this all day long :) Was referring to programs that will be at $29.95 with no cross-sells, can you still pay $40 on that? :)[/b][/quote]
Toolz.....we sure can. Hustler in particular has very high trial/conversion and retention numbers which will allow us to pay more than others over the long term......even without the cross sells.

This industry shakeout is going to put the focus back on quality content and providing value. We're already doing that, so we're ahead of the game :)

Toolz.....we sure can. Hustler in particular has very high trial/conversion and retention numbers which will allow us to pay more than others over the long term......even without the cross sells.

This industry shakeout is going to put the focus back on quality content and providing value. We're already doing that, so we're ahead of the game :)[/b][/quote]
Ken,

Please bring some bongo cash to Miami. I've jut about worn out my first set!!

-KC

Ooooppppaaaa!!!!

Lets try and hold "Hustler" brand site out from this (many webmasters have traffic, which do not convert on pornstar/general type sites - they need something alittle more "niche" to convert), so lets focus on the "cookie cutter with plug ins" sites - ex. CashQuest and ARS:

I see that CashQuest are paying $28 per signup on sites which have:

- entry console with 4 large consoles
- frontpage e-mail newsletter signup box
- trial $4.95/3 days ~ recurring $29.95/30 days
- pre checked 1 free day cross sale ~ recurring $19.95/30 days
- pre checked 1 free day cross sale ~ recurring $14.95/30 days
- pre checked e-mail newsletter signup

ARS is currently paying $35 per signup on sites which have:

- entry console with 1 console
- exit console with 5 consoles
- trial $4.95/5 days ~ recurring $39.95/30 days
- pre checked $1/3 days cross sale ~ recurring $39.76/30 days

When I looked at ARS suggestions, then they will pay $29 per signup on sites which have (they have NOT said they will lower - they are still looking at numbers):

- entry console with 1 console
- exit console with 5 consoles
- trial $4.95/5 days ~ recurring $29.95/30 days
- pre checked $1/3 days cross sale ~ recurring $19.95/30 days (I guess it will be around $20)

Mind you, I know nothing about CashQuest or ARS conversions from trial/recurring, how much they make from other billing options etc.... just looking at the programs and trying to compare from a "webmaster" point of view... It looks like the current CashQuest, and the possible new ARS setup pays almost the same?

So how does CashQuest do these days... are you happy with your current setup (pricing, cross sell etc.) or will there also be changes here?

Just wondering...



Last edited by Rolo at Jul 15 2003, 05:52 AM

Lets try and hold "Hustler" brand site out from this (many webmasters have traffic, which do not convert on pornstar/general type sites - they need something alittle more "niche" to convert), so lets focus on the "cookie cutter with plug ins" sites - ex. CashQuest and ARS:

I see that CashQuest are paying $28 per signup on sites which have:

- entry console with 4 large consoles
- frontpage e-mail newsletter signup box
- trial $4.95/3 days ~ recurring $29.95/30 days
- pre checked 1 free day cross sale ~ recurring $19.95/30 days
- pre checked 1 free day cross sale ~ recurring $14.95/30 days
- pre checked e-mail newsletter signup

ARS is currently paying $35 per signup on sites which have:

- entry console with 1 console
- exit console with 5 consoles
- trial $4.95/5 days ~ recurring $39.95/30 days
- pre checked $1/3 days cross sale ~ recurring $39.76/30 days

When I looked at ARS suggestions, then they will pay $29 per signup on sites which have (they have NOT said they will lower - they are still looking at numbers):

- entry console with 1 console
- exit console with 5 consoles
- trial $4.95/5 days ~ recurring $29.95/30 days
- pre checked $1/3 days cross sale ~ recurring $19.95/30 days (I guess it will be around $20)

Mind you, I know nothing about CashQuest or ARS conversions from trial/recurring, how much they make from other billing options etc.... just looking at the programs and trying to compare from a "webmaster" point of view... It looks like the current CashQuest, and the possible new ARS setup pays almost the same?

So how does CashQuest do these days... are you happy with your current setup (pricing, cross sell etc.) or will there also be changes here?

Just wondering...[/b][/quote]
Rolo,

Good Question! CashQuest will be changing our cross sells slightly, but as you can see, we are cross selling to sites with very low price points, so we won't need to make significant changes.

Also, we are looking at raising payouts on CashQuest as well. It won't be a substantial raise, but will be very competitive with anything else out there.

The thing CashQuest has that most sites don't is VERY high quality members areas. Each site has very niche specific content that we have built up for years, a lot of which is exclusive.

CashQuest still does very well, but we have not been aggresive in marketing to affiliates the last couple of years because we were not willing to do certain things to compete. Now the playing field is leveled and we are going to step things up!

Give CQ a try.....I'm sure you'll be very pleased :)

Having said that, I'm sure ARS will also remain very competitive headed into the future.

Thanks Ken for answering my question :-)

Lets try and hold "Hustler" brand site out from this (many webmasters have traffic, which do not convert on pornstar/general type sites - they need something alittle more "niche" to convert), so lets focus on the "cookie cutter with plug ins" sites - ex. CashQuest and ARS:

I see that CashQuest are paying $28 per signup on sites which have:

- entry console with 4 large consoles
- frontpage e-mail newsletter signup box
- trial $4.95/3 days ~ recurring $29.95/30 days
- pre checked 1 free day cross sale ~ recurring $19.95/30 days
- pre checked 1 free day cross sale ~ recurring $14.95/30 days
- pre checked e-mail newsletter signup

ARS is currently paying $35 per signup on sites which have:

- entry console with 1 console
- exit console with 5 consoles
- trial $4.95/5 days ~ recurring $39.95/30 days
- pre checked $1/3 days cross sale ~ recurring $39.76/30 days

When I looked at ARS suggestions, then they will pay $29 per signup on sites which have (they have NOT said they will lower - they are still looking at numbers):

- entry console with 1 console
- exit console with 5 consoles
- trial $4.95/5 days ~ recurring $29.95/30 days
- pre checked $1/3 days cross sale ~ recurring $19.95/30 days (I guess it will be around $20)

Mind you, I know nothing about CashQuest or ARS conversions from trial/recurring, how much they make from other billing options etc.... just looking at the programs and trying to compare from a "webmaster" point of view... It looks like the current CashQuest, and the possible new ARS setup pays almost the same?

So how does CashQuest do these days... are you happy with your current setup (pricing, cross sell etc.) or will there also be changes here?

Just wondering...[/b][/quote]
Ed Powers used to convert 1:20 for me...and thats no bull shit.
Of course somthing changed at tthe first of the year and Ed aint making any sales for me now.

So I say fuck Ed and Ill do my own paysite.



Last edited by gonzo at Jul 16 2003, 05:36 AM

This was the original post on this tread... or at least the majority of it...

This is from the ARS website members area:

I'm confused....

I thought the $39.95 Monthly was supposed to drop to help with this issue

I'm sure I'm missing something.. so figured I'd ask....

:zoinks:

Nick - What was the process when you purchased content from firmcontent.com ? Did they email you with your ftp information right after your billing confirmation came from the billing company? Did you ever have to email support, or call the company?

I'm having some issues with them and I'm concerned. I ordered content from them after following your link in this thread - but that was 9 days ago and I have recieved no contact or content from them whatsoever - no replies to my inquiries, they have no fax machine working but they do list a fax #, and the main line has a machine that is complately full and no one ever answers the phone.

How did your experience go with them?


thanks,

~Liana



Last edited by LushBoobs at Jul 29 2003, 11:01 AM