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Jace 04-01-2008 05:32 PM
Re: Too Much Media vs. NR Media....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 810065)
If the caller hits me wrong, hell yes. And you know that you would too.

If you had no knowledge of an issue and out of the blue someone calls and is nasty with you, are you friendly or pissed? Let's just say it's a bill collector. They call and say, hey, you owe $5000 on your visa, what you gonna do about it? But as far as you know, the visa has been paid on time, you gonna guarantee to be friendly with that guy? And fucking be honest about it.
I would get to the bottom of whatever the issue was, especially if it meant me owing people money...i HATE owing people money

sarettah 04-01-2008 05:33 PM
Re: Too Much Media vs. NR Media....
 
Charles(TMM) version of the phone call

http://www.americantune.net/charles_phone.jpg

sarettah 04-01-2008 05:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 810070)
btw, since the suit is about defamation, what in the original post was false exactly?
I don't know. I think they were stupid to go with defamation myself.

But, filing a stupid lawsuit does not make them dishonest.

Btw, early on in this thread, you say:

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well, since chris and brandi already have the reputation they do, and with what they did in the past to others in this industry, I, personally, could never trust or believe anything they say or do
What past deeds are these that you are talking about?

sarettah 04-01-2008 05:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 810071)
I would get to the bottom of whatever the issue was, especially if it meant me owing people money...i HATE owing people money
Oh, ok. Yes, you are the level headed one aren't you? So, you wouldn't go off on someone accusing you of something?

Right.



All those that believe that, I got a bridge you might be interested in. :okthumb:

Jace 04-01-2008 05:39 PM
Re: Too Much Media vs. NR Media....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 810074)
What past deeds are these that you are talking about?
that will just have to come out in time, I am not going to throw accusations around when those deeds didn't happen to me first hand, but I have seen first hand 3-4 times what their actions have done to others, and it isn't pretty

Jace 04-01-2008 05:41 PM
Re: Too Much Media vs. NR Media....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 810075)
Oh, ok. Yes, you are the level headed one aren't you? So, you wouldn't go off on someone accusing you of something?

Right.



All those that believe that, I got a bridge you might be interested in. :okthumb:
actually, no, i wouldn't...I am a mediator by nature, very peaceful in fact

chris is known to be hot headed by nature

i am no where on the same level as him as far as tempers go

Sexyteaser 04-01-2008 05:43 PM
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defamation is not an after thought...

This is taken from the filed complaint

NATS Case Files
http://natslitigation.com/images/talk.gif 03.18.2008 | SECOND AMENDED AND SUPPLEMENTAL COMPLAINT:
(“Plaintiffs”) for their First Supplemental and Amended Complaint (the “FSAC”), brings this hybrid action against defendants Too Much Media, LLC, John Albright, and Charles Berrebbi, Fred Schank and John Does 1-30, on knowledge as to Plaintiffs and their own acts, and as to other matters on information and belief, on behalf of NR Media, LLC and the proposed class defined herein, and in support thereof alleges the following...

... Moreover, not only were the TMM Defendants aware that TMM’s security had been breached and the NATS program is otherwise defective, upon information and belief, they intentionally concealed those facts from the public, including particularly NRM and all members of the Class. Upon information and belief, in furtherance of their efforts to suppress the truth concerning TMM and NATS’s security vulnerabilities and breaches, the TMM Defendants applied financial pressure to those who would criticize TMM and NATS by threatening to withdraw advertising revenues and/or to bring litigation. Moreover, TMM’s pledge to terminate NATS services to any Affiliate Program it determines has engaged in shaving is a cudgel by which the TMM Defendants are able to stifle open and honest discussion concerning TMM and NATS. TMM’s NATS-based information processing services are critical to the Affiliate Programs operated by NRM and all members of the Class who have contracted with TMM to provide same. If deprived of such services, the Affiliate Programs that rely upon NATS would be rendered inoperable. Further, upon information and belief, all of TMM’s agreements to provide information processing services are oral; as such, Sponsors who have entered into agreements with TMM for NATS-based information processing services have no reasonable means of ascertaining the true scope of their legal rights. As a result of the dependency of NATS-supported Affiliate Programs upon TMM to provide the NATS based information processing services for which they have contracted,, as well as the vagueness of the their contractual relationship with TMM, the Sponsors of such Affiliate Programs are able to risk having the TMM Defendants carry out their standing threat to terminate services to any Affiliate Programs that it has determined, in said defendants’ sole discretion, to have engaged in shaving....

sarettah 04-01-2008 05:50 PM
Re: Too Much Media vs. NR Media....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 810076)
that will just have to come out in time, I am not going to throw accusations around when those deeds didn't happen to me first hand, but I have seen first hand 3-4 times what their actions have done to others, and it isn't pretty
Casting dispersions. You seem to like to do that quite a bit, don't you?

If you aren't gonna back them up, don't voice em in the first place.

That is the way scumsuckers and lawyers deal.

sarettah 04-01-2008 05:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 810077)
actually, no, i wouldn't...I am a mediator by nature, very peaceful in fact
You wouldn't know that by the way you act on the boards.

Sexyteaser 04-01-2008 05:58 PM
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These are the points in the case which brought me to ask the questions above for which Sarettah calls me an idiot.

179. A violation of the ITPA requires that the business restore any moneys or
property unlawfully acquired as a result of the breach to the Customer, and imposes a civil penalty of $10,000.00 for the first offense, and $20,000.00 for each subsequent offense.
N.J.S.A. § 56:8-163 et seq.

180. As hereinabove alleged, NATS system was defective and/or intentionally
designed to include Security Vulnerabilities.

181. As a result of such Security Vulnerabilities, upon information and belief,
NRM and each Class member’s computer servers have been invaded and the security of the Personal Information, as defined by the ITPA, contained on and/or transferred through such servers was breached.

182. Upon information an belief, that with respect to Affiliate Programs that
continue to use NATS, such breach is on-going.

183. As evidenced by the TMM Defendants December 2007 statement published on the GFY Board, the TMM Defendants are aware that the security of the Personal Information, as defined by the ITPA, contained on and/or transferred through the servers of NATS users was breached.

184. Upon information an belief, the TMM Defendants are aware that the security of the Personal Information maintained and/or transferred through the servers of Affiliate Programs that continue to use NATS, continues to be breached.

Jace 04-01-2008 06:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 810080)
You wouldn't know that by the way you act on the boards.
could have fooled me. in fact just last week 2 people approached me and spoke up about how chill I have been on the boards lately, a much more "peaceful and fun guy"...it has gained me more business and connections in the past year than I could ever hope for, so I know I am doing something right...when I was a huge ass on the boards I had a hard time getting work from friends, now it is the exact opposite, I work for some of the largest programs on the block, talk to everyone from small affiliates to program owners on a daily basis, and can barely keep up with all the work I have

oprano is a different matter, most know me personally here and I feel I can let loose and banter a little harder than other boards, but when the day is done, everyone knows I am about business and money, period

but please show me on other boards where I am offending people or speaking rudely, I have made a VERY conscious effort the past year or 2 to not be that way, and if you can find me anyone that I have offended or been an ass to and they took it seriously, I will apologize to them right away

sarettah 04-01-2008 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Shelleehale (Post 810081)
[font=TimesNewRoman][left]These are the points in the case which brought me to ask the questions above for which Sarettah calls me an idiot.
No, I called you an idiot because you are an idiot.

The current conversation is pretty much Chris and Tracy's credibility versus Blake's credibility versus TMM's credibility and really has nothing to do with the legfal ramifications of the suit in regards to the rest of the adult industry.


Basically Jace is standing by Blake and Amy because they are friends (fair enough) but is the same time castinf dispersions on Chris and Tracy without backing them up.

That is where we are at at this point, have something to contribute? Go for it. Have nothing, then shut up.

Thanx in advance

sarettah 04-01-2008 06:08 PM
Re: Too Much Media vs. NR Media....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 810082)
could have fooled me. in fact just last week 2 people approached me and spoke up about how chill I have been on the boards lately, a much more "peaceful and fun guy"...it has gained me more business and connections in the past year than I could ever hope for, so I know I am doing something right...when I was a huge ass on the boards I had a hard time getting work from friends, now it is the exact opposite, I work for some of the largest programs on the block, talk to everyone from small affiliates to program owners on a daily basis, and can barely keep up with all the work I have
That may be true, but as you yourself admit right there, it has not always been that way.

So because someone handlesd something the way "Old Jace" would have, they are wrong wrong wrong. Oh wait, all this stuff we are talking about happened 2-3 years ago, so maybe some of those people would handle it differently today too.

But no, only Jace is allowed to change his ways..er, oops I forgot, only Jace and his friends are allowed to fuck up and not be beat down for it.

Sexyteaser 04-01-2008 06:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelleehale (Post 810067)
Anyone know who the John/Jane Does are?

Quote:
03.18.2008 | SECOND AMENDED AND SUPPLEMENTAL COMPLAINT:
(“Plaintiffs”) for their First Supplemental and Amended Complaint (the “FSAC”), brings this hybrid action against defendants Too Much Media, LLC, John Albright, and Charles Berrebbi, Fred Schank and John Does 1-30, on knowledge as to Plaintiffs and their own acts, and as to other matters on information and belief, on behalf of NR Media, LLC and the proposed class defined herein, and in support thereof alleges the following...
Jace,

Do you know who the John Does are? It says 1-30 and this is a small tight industry... any idea?

Jace 04-01-2008 06:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 810084)
That may be true, but as you yourself admit right there, it has not always been that way.

So because someone handlesd something the way "Old Jace" would have, they are wrong wrong wrong. Oh wait, all this stuff we are talking about happened 2-3 years ago, so maybe some of those people would handle it differently today too.

But no, only Jace is allowed to change his ways..er, oops I forgot, only Jace and his friends are allowed to fuck up and not be beat down for it.
did I say that? stop putting words in my mouth

yes, the way I handled shit back then was WRONG, horribly wrong, I offended people and was a total fucking dick, and YES it is wrong

Jace 04-01-2008 06:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelleehale (Post 810085)
Jace,

Do you know who the John Does are? It says 1-30 and this is a small tight industry... any idea?
is that for the class action? I would venture to guess no one will know for a while, if there are any at all, haha....j/k

Jace 04-01-2008 06:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 810083)
Basically Jace is standing by Blake and Amy because they are friends (fair enough) but is the same time castinf dispersions on Chris and Tracy without backing them up.
fair enough, stay on the side where affilaites don't get paid.. and I'll stay on the side fighting for affilaites to get paid

sarettah 04-01-2008 06:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 810088)
fair enough, stay on the side where affilaites don't get paid.. and I'll stay on the side fighting for affilaites to get paid
Lolol... when the facts don't present themselves, make them up right?

I am on no side in this. But, that wouldn't set well with you to recognize that some of us are after the real truth and not what some friends fed us.

Back to your allegations against Chris and Tracy though. You say that you don't want to make accusations, but you have already made them by what you've said.

So, again, you gonna back up what you say or continue to just throw innuendo around?

Jace 04-01-2008 07:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 810091)
Lolol... when the facts don't present themselves, make them up right?

I am on no side in this. But, that wouldn't set well with you to recognize that some of us are after the real truth and not what some friends fed us.

Back to your allegations against Chris and Tracy though. You say that you don't want to make accusations, but you have already made them by what you've said.

So, again, you gonna back up what you say or continue to just throw innuendo around?
please tell me what exactly I made up in this thread

exact examples please

Jace 04-01-2008 07:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 810091)
So, again, you gonna back up what you say or continue to just throw innuendo around?
wil76...i mean sarettah, I have no interest in bringing outside parties into this if they don't want to be brought in, just to appease some old fart with nothing better to do than argue about shit he has absolutely no interest in

Jace 04-01-2008 07:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 810091)
Lolol... when the facts don't present themselves, make them up right?

I am on no side in this. But, that wouldn't set well with you to recognize that some of us are after the real truth and not what some friends fed us.

Back to your allegations against Chris and Tracy though. You say that you don't want to make accusations, but you have already made them by what you've said.

So, again, you gonna back up what you say or continue to just throw innuendo around?
Fact - affiliates not paid for almost 2 years those are not allegations, those have been stated by actual affiliates of Xclusive Cash that wasn't fortunate enough to be called 'friends' by Chris so they weren't offer the special deals. I don't need to be fed anything to realize that when you don't have enough money to pay hide behind an attorney

Rcourt64 04-01-2008 07:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 810093)
wil76...i mean sarettah,
Thats a joke? right????? :blink:

sarettah 04-01-2008 07:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 810093)
wil76...i mean sarettah, I have no interest in bringing outside parties into this if they don't want to be brought in, just to appease some old fart with nothing better to do than argue about shit he has absolutely no interest in
Lol. Play that spin wheel there Alien, er I mean Jace.

You already made the accusations. You just did not give detail. Like I said before, a scumsucker tactic.

Mediator type my ass.

sarettah 04-01-2008 07:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 810092)
please tell me what exactly I made up in this thread

exact examples please
That was in reference to the fact that you made up the fact that I was on someone's side in this.

I am not.

But I am interested in the truth which you are not.

You are apparently interested in besmirching reputations and creating innuendo because of what your friends have told you.

sarettah 04-01-2008 07:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 810095)
I don't need to be fed anything to realize that when you don't have enough money to pay hide behind an attorney
And there can't possibly be any other reason for the lawyer, can there?

Nope, because that wouldn't fit the distorted version of stuff that you see, now would it.

Jace 04-01-2008 07:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 810098)
Lol. Play that spin wheel there Alien, er I mean Jace.

You already made the accusations. You just did not give detail. Like I said before, a scumsucker tactic.

Mediator type my ass.
yea I know I'm not the one who didn't pay the affilaites, or taken their links off without notice.. do I need to make accusation on the obvious?

Jace 04-01-2008 07:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 810099)
But I am interested in the truth which you are not.
Yea that's OBVIOUS

Jace 04-01-2008 07:15 PM
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i love the fact that russ and I have known each other for years, even done business together, yet when it comes to something like this, all the sudden I am not credible anymore

dude, keep getting your panties in a bunch and siding with the assholes who don't pay affiliates and run off with massive amounts of money

I will continue to side with the affiliates, if you wanna take that as me siding with vegas and angel, so be it

I am done here, there is no use arguing with will76pt2, he is always right

sarettah 04-01-2008 07:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 810103)
i love the fact that russ and I have known each other for years, even done business together, yet when it comes to something like this, all the sudden I am not credible anymore

dude, keep getting your panties in a bunch and siding with the assholes who don't pay affiliates and run off with massive amounts of money

I will continue to side with the affiliates, if you wanna take that as me siding with vegas and angel, so be it

I am done here, there is no use arguing with will76pt2, he is always right
That's it, run away...lolol

sarettah 04-01-2008 07:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 810103)
i love the fact that russ and I have known each other for years, even done business together, yet when it comes to something like this, all the sudden I am not credible anymore
I have never questioned your credibility.

I am however questioning your motives.

Please try to stay with the conversation.

Thanx in advance :okthumb:

Toby 04-01-2008 07:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 810065)
If the caller hits me wrong, hell yes. And you know that you would too.

If you had no knowledge of an issue and out of the blue someone calls and is nasty with you, are you friendly or pissed?....
And there is the rub in a nutshell. I don't believe that John's phone call in Aug 2006 was the first time that Chris had been made aware of the rebill problem. Blake's deposition details a number of occassions where Chris is involved in conversations about it and I don't think Blake lied about them in his deposition.

Ohhh, and for the record, I have no personal relationship with ANY of the parties involved in the lawsuit.

sarettah 04-01-2008 07:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby (Post 810108)
And there is the rub in a nutshell. I don't believe that John's phone call in Aug 2006 was the first time that Chris had been made aware of the rebill problem. Blake's deposition details a number of occassions where Chris is involved in conversations about it and I don't think Blake lied about them in his deposition.

Ohhh, and for the record, I have no personal relationship with ANY of the parties involved in the lawsuit.
Yeah, but Chris says there was a brief discussion at some point and that was all there was and he has the chat logs to back him up.

That is a telling point to me. Chris and Tracy have documentation. When Blake is asked if he does he does not say, well I would if I could get on the company's computer or something like that, he says, no. (period) He does not have documentation.

My personal feelings on this after doing all the fucking reading, and this is with a good deal of supposition thrown in, is something like this:

Chris, Tracy, Blake and Amy start a company. Blake is the tech guy. By accident, Blake puts in a wrong user/pass co on the CCB datalink. He finds that several months down the road and is like "Oh shit". So, he talks to TMM and finds out the data is not lost and tells them to start correcting it. He sees how fast the money is piling up and is again "Oh shit" and tells them to turn it off. Somewhere in there he tells Chris there is a problem but they do not go into detail, Chris asks is it being handled, Blake says yep and that is the end of it as far as conversation goes. Blake forgets that he put the issue on hold because of shows and shit. They get back to it months later and he turns the repull back on sees the same issue with it mounting up too quick, stops the process while he wrestles with what to about it.

Meanwhile, Chris and Tracy decide that Blake and Amy must go because of other issues. They do the split up and are unaware that the rebill issue is still sitting there until Chris gets his phone call from Albright. The call does not go well and within hours (literally) lawyers are involved and all action comes to a halt.

And then it sits because of the oh so fast speed of our legal system.

Like I say, a lot of supposition in there.

Toby 04-01-2008 07:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 810111)
Yeah, but Chris says there was a brief discussion at some point and that was all there was and he has the chat logs to back him up.

That is a telling point to me. Chris and Tracy have documentation. When Blake is asked if he does he does not say, well I would if I could get on the company's computer or something like that, he says, no. (period) He does not have documentation.

My personal feelings on this after doing all the fucking reading, and this is with a good deal of supposition thrown in, is something like this:

Chris, Tracy, Blake and Amy start a company. Blake is the tech guy. By accident, Blake puts in a wrong user/pass co on the CCB datalink. He finds that several months down the road and is like "Oh shit". So, he talks to TMM and finds out the data is not lost and tells them to start correcting it. He sees how fast the money is piling up and is again "Oh shit" and tells them to turn it off. Somewhere in there he tells Chris there is a problem but they do not go into detail, Chris asks is it being handled, Blake says yep and that is the end of it as far as conversation goes. Blake forgets that he put the issue on hold because of shows and shit. They get back to it months later and he turns the repull back on sees the same issue with it mounting up too quick, stops the process while he wrestles with what to about it.

Meanwhile, Chris and Tracy decide that Blake and Amy must go because of other issues. They do the split up and are unaware that the rebill issue is still sitting there until Chris gets his phone call from Albright. The call does not go well and within hours (literally) lawyers are involved and all action comes to a halt.

And then it sits because of the oh so fast speed of our legal system.

Like I say, a lot of suppostion in there.
That is exactly what Chris wanted you to believe. Congratulations, it's official, you've been manipulated. :okthumb:

sarettah 04-01-2008 07:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby (Post 810113)
That is exactly what Chris wanted you to believe. Congratulations, you've officially been manipulated. :okthumb:
Actually I go most of that from Blakes depositions and it is not what I believe. It is a possible version. If Chris has been putting that out there I haven't seen it.

I have no idea what to believe and what not to believe.

Hell Puppy 04-01-2008 09:59 PM
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It's official.

I'm bored with this whole thing.

EmporerEJ 04-02-2008 02:17 PM
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This has become officially too complicated for me.
It has turned into a bad deal all around.
I had no idea it was this bad in the industry, and it makes me sad.

:(

gonzo 04-02-2008 02:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EmporerEJ (Post 810150)
This has become officially too complicated for me.
It has turned into a bad deal all around.
I had no idea it was this bad in the industry, and it makes me sad.

:(
Its been at the point where the lawyers will have to sort it out.

Discovery is going to be unreal on this. I think weve only just begun.

EJ its been this bad in this business for as long as I can remember. More people are just louder now and dont hide it.

As the scramble becomes tighter for the cash grab you will see more of it.
Ive already heard tales of self important program reps saber rattling with exclimations of "Do they know who they are fucking with?" at the forum.

Starbucks is a future ambitious goal for them.

EmporerEJ 04-02-2008 03:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzo (Post 810154)
Its been at the point where the lawyers will have to sort it out.

Discovery is going to be unreal on this. I think weve only just begun.

EJ its been this bad in this business for as long as I can remember. More people are just louder now and dont hide it.

As the scramble becomes tighter for the cash grab you will see more of it.
Ive already heard tales of self important program reps saber rattling with exclimations of "Do they know who they are fucking with?" at the forum.

Starbucks is a future ambitious goal for them.
It does them no good to fight to hold a share of the decreasing market with increasing competition. Reminds me of the buggy whip manufacturers from "other people's Money."

See "Proprietary interest" in another thread.

gonzo 04-02-2008 04:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EmporerEJ (Post 810164)
It does them no good to fight to hold a share of the decreasing market with increasing competition. Reminds me of the buggy whip manufacturers from "other people's Money."

See "Proprietary interest" in another thread.
IMHO if you want to watch how it will go. Observe how the studios are dealing with decreased DVD sales.

Same market... different verticle.

EmporerEJ 04-03-2008 05:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzo (Post 810176)
IMHO if you want to watch how it will go. Observe how the studios are dealing with decreased DVD sales.

Same market... different verticle.
Yes indeedy.....different delivery vehicle. That certainly sounds like a good idea!


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