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joe, i'm taking away your lemon and your soap box!

;P

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Take away that bottle of Green Goodness he drinks too.

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Well this is not a personal dig toward you at all Sarretah.....

However I must say this ..

in the past people like

SweetT
PlatinumDave
Stevelightspeed
Rick from ConsumptionJunction
Shemp...

Just to name a few off of the top of my head . All came here and for one reason or another are not . some were ran off and some just left cause they did not like what was happening here at the time I suppose .( this was way before my tenure here )

all of these people are ACTIVE posters on a various amount of OTHER boards ...

They for different reasons of their own do not come here .

I would LOVE to see them back here, and imagine if you had just those four, and a crop of say 10 newbies that wanted to learn the business and had a good positive attitude, no matter what they did or did not know about the ways of old in the business.

I would trade everyone on this board for that line up ( think of it as a sports team, I would make that trade all day long , everyday)

If a person is not business saavy enough to see the value in that statment, then they are in the wrong spot now .

even with people like these mentioned that are no longer here prano still survived, so I am not at all worried about anyone that may leave cause they do not like the direction we intend to take Oprano. IT WILL SURVIVE and always has to this point .

the last crew had paid posters ( remember you were one of those before nick turned on you for your morals and needed a whipping boy for page views)

the only peole that have left from that crew that were not already gone was the paid posters . and the chinese fake alexa hits.

If you think I am wrong to go after good business men and potential new blood, I am sorry you feel that way. But I wish you well in all your endeavors and enjoyed the time you spent here while I was around.

I will bring back

Hustler
Platinumbucks
Lightspeed ( I hope with all hope)
SweetT
Consumptionjunction
The Hun
Bike ( a guy you probably do not know but he has more traffic than all of Alabama LOL)
Freeones
Shemp ( if he will accept our most humble of apologys for the way he was treated by a bunch of assholes here before )
Lensman ( who advertises on many many other boards BTW)
AVN
Mallcom
Topbucks
Comusthumbs
Guerillatraffic
digitalplayground
wicked
vivid
Metro
ClubJenna
and many many solo models that need help and true advice, not bullshit and misinformation
and all the big boys I can find... to mix with all the best newbies I can find.

will this happen overnight? NO
Next week? NO
in a tear or two? YES!

I did not put Oprano in the shape it became, butI am one of the people that bought it to bring it back to a condition it should and could be in. Will this require change? YES Will this require some people leaving ? YES
Do I think it is going to be easy or cheap for me to do ? NO
But in case you have forgotten i dont listen to the nay sayers very much, I just do my thing, and it has worked so far . beyond what you can even imagine . I will announce things this year that will amaze you.

Stick around it might get fun again for you .

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I cant even decide where to start adding and taking points first...

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Just to make a point. I never got paid by Oprano until I became a mod and I did have duties besides helping to keep the board going by posting.

I posted just as much crap prior to getting a pay check as I did after I started receiving it.

Being paid to mod and being paid to post are two different things.


You can go after the new without ditching all the old. There is plenty of room.

Go back, find the thread and reread it. Shemp was not treated like an asshole.

The rest is fine. Just could you quit acting like everyone that has stood by and kept posting and kept participating is totally fucking worthless.

We, the fucking worthless, do not appreciate it.

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roflmfao... Fuck you hp, you owe me a keyboard.








again

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I sell Joespeak translator cheap!

We discussed this to, during and from Charlotte... so I can sum this up pretty easily.

I dont think anyone feels your worthless. Ive enjoyed some of your counterpoint on more than one occasion. Keep on keeping on brother.

We are saying that this board is changing. Things arent the way they used to be no matter how much some of yall wish and scream for them.

Sig policy is much looser than its ever been. Ask CJ.

We tolerate a LOT more drive by spam than we used to. Ask MikeAI.
To be quite honest I didnt give much of a fuck about it until Dianna got ripped off by one of em and Epassporte told her to fuck off.

So we got a place to put the press releases [more free advertising] that some of yall are so fond of. I dont care if it hair lips the Pope either ... post the fucking announcement once. And if you go to the trouble of posting you can go to the trouble of replying to the thread as well.

Im sorry if the new direction offends some of you. Oprano is a business and these changes will ensure that the board remains as opposed to its orignal fate of being a full page advertisement for a proram.

Thanks for your loyalty and faith Sare.

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Gonzo. I have no problems with the direction of the board. I have no problems with you and I appreciate the thanks.

I think someone, you, joe or whoever is seeing something that isn't there. I have not seen anyone complain about the direction of the board.

However, I have heard Joe coming off as somewhat as a highhorse. And after he brought up Shemp in the earlier post I went and did some refreshing of my brain. The thread where Shemp got offended is here http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showt...0&page=3&pp=50

It happens to be, imho, one of the best business discussions I ever witnessed on this board, and nobody treated shemp like an asshole. (page 2 and 3 are where shemp is involved).

In fact, if you do a search, Shemp was treated like gold when he got here, from the first day right on through.

Until, a day or so later, in this thread http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=35456

called Re: Why are most TGP guys such whores...

And I see Joesho be the first one to be an asshole towards Shemp.

But he is so willing to point fingers at everyone else and try to put the blame for Oprano's slowness on us.

He is rewriting history as it suits him and it is bullshit and it does get old.

Oprano had a rep as a mean board for only one reason, because you might have had to pass through Serge's gauntlet once or twice if you got too big for your britches.

You guys want to pull in newbies, fine. You guys want to allow looser spam rules, stuff like that, fine. It is your board.

But, I'm still gonna call bullshit when I see it.

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I guess that Im imagining emails and such between Shemp and myself.
Both Joe and I see it that way as well as a few others around here and I know for a fact that Shemp does.

Remember Im the one that invited him here.

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It's okay guys, I'm back from my vacation, post quality (and quantity) will go up again! ;) hehehe

I've come & gone from many a board, and there is always some sort of drama similar to this...I think the best way to handle it is just to laugh it up and then try to move on & learn & grow from it. Nobody's feelers need to get hurt!

Now I'm going back into my n00b corner where the free donuts & mugs & hats are... :D

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Maybe I'm reading too much into it all. But I dont think anyone has ever said all the old crew needs to hit the road. What I have read into things is that the old dogs may need to learn a few new tricks or at least be tolerant of new patrons.

We have a lot of people who hang out here who have been here from day one, some of them are out or nearly out of the business. But they still hang out because they are part of the community. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that, many of them are funny and intillegent and contribute a lot to the board.

I think what everyone needs to be careful of though is where business threads are concerned not to make it a hostile environment for newbies or people who are doing business in new ways.

A beat down for anyone new is almost a tradition, but it has also stifled new blood. Very few have passed the initiation and survived to earn a bit of respect and hang around in recent years. Joe is one, Pushpills is another.

The thing is if someone comes thru and starts asking questions about TGPs, the shave on traffic trading scripts, etc, the correct answer isn't to jump on 'em and tell 'em why giving away tons of free porn are the reason the business is no longer as good as it was in 1998.

You have to adapt or die.

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Youll have to drive to Charlotte or PHX. Teeshirts and hats were left up there and Joe is taking the washable mug to the Forum.

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Did you reread the thread?

KC, who was not a reg, questioned the TGP model. Shemp and he discussed it some. Then Vick, who has always been against TGP, expressed an opinion as could be expected against tgps.

Noone attacked shemp. Two, out of many questioned the TGP model, while admitting it was here to stay.

So, you guys can remember it the way you want. Unless someone edited the posts, he was never attacked that I can see.

Except by Joesho a while later.

BTW, You announced Shemp arriving in June 04, Shemp had already been here back in March and February and had been welcomed quite warmly by all he encountered.

Shemps first postand his initial reception:
http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=31660

Anyway, you guys can remember whatever you want, I thought this was a no spin zone where when we encounter truth, we admit it.

Here's all thethreads Shemp posted in and I can't find anyone being mean to him.

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/searc...searchid=21567


Except Joe

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I dont need to read a thread to know how many times the man has chewed my ass for bringing him over here to what he feels was an ass raping.

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Damn, I just got home from vacation and already have to retrain for my job...I can't afford another vacation! LOL

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I have read the thread many times because there is lots of good info there on how to make money off of TGPs, some by shemp, some by others.

I have the thread bookmarked in my business folder and I have never understood what Shemp took wrong from that thread.

edited in: But, I don't know Shemp.

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I think this is missing some back story info...

GonZo in particular had been after Shemp to post for nearly a year, ever since he came to Atlanta. Told him we'd love to have him, Oprano really was missing that TGP persepctive and a lot of the players over here were finally testing the TGP waters (which was true at that time).

Now go re-read the thread with that back info.

Did he feel welcomed and that people here were receptive to hearing what he might have to say and bring to the table regarding TGP's? No, it felt more like an attack on his whole business plan. And happened right out of the gate.

His reaction was he didn't need that shit and he bolted. And hasn't had much use for GonZo ever since...

Interesting side impact there was GonZo was brokering some traffic trade deals for TGPs being run by some of the regulars here via Shemp and they were getting some fine traffic from it. Some of the same ones in that thread. That traffic went away...

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fuck all this cheesy drama shit

what will it take to get some of you to send me traffic?

hehe

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I see I see said the blind man. So business deals got canned.

But, the possibillity is that it isn't the people who expressed their opinion's fault. The thread was initially about the Hun banning paycounters and such. Shemp came in on page 2 and expressed his opinion.

That the rest of the group did not necessarilly agree with him (but actually, if you read the thread, many did) is not the groups fault.

Not to be too sarcastic, becuse I have heard many really great things about Shemp, but did he expect everybody to go "oh you are so smart" or something. He was talking to people who have been in business as long as he was. They were not disrespectful or really harsh (definitely not harsh by webmaster board standards).

It is not the groups fault that shemp left and business blew off. It is not Gonzo's fault that shemp left and business blew off. It sounds to me an awful lot like it's Shemp's fault that he left and business blew off.

(Damn, i am glad I didn't post in that thread, it ain't my fault, that one is for certain)

And that is ancient history for the most part but it probably ought to be looked at for what it really is before decisions are made with that being any part of the underlying base of the decision.

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thanks for the inspiration guys!
http://www.fuckedwebmaster.com/?p=31

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One lesson out of this is you shouldnt talk smack to your benefactor.

Im sure that since he had traffic exchanges running he expected at least common courtesy.

Shemp is one of the nicest and genuine guys in the business. Honestly Sare... I equate this to the kp beatdown you got. Just uncalled for and counter productive all the way around.

That behaviour has gotta change... and thats inclusive of myself!

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BLOGS RULE!

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I am the one held (and rightly so) responsible for running Shemp off

What I did was challenge (in no uncertain terms) a business model that has cost this industry MILLIONS of dollars. I don't care how you want to wrap it that's the bottom line

I also personally went and looked and tore apart for public inspection some of Shemps business model

Shemps explanation was he felt he didn't have to explain the right for TGP's to exist as he had already done that


What few know if I offered to try to speak to Shemp and apologize to have him come back (only becasue Gonzo had put effort into getting him here and thought that was a good thing, obviously I was of a different opinion and the other "owner" at the time agreed with me that Shemp was thin skinned about the whole issue)

and what you and I call productive (or fine) traffic might be 2 very different things

If you want to say it go ahead, no need for innuendo

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How aam I tryng to re write history Sarretah?

Just because I was one of the assholes in the shemp case. does not excuse it.

what about all the others mentioned?

and I am not the one who said Oprano is slow, in fact it is not. we are getting more posters than the previous administration had by a long shot ( some of you call it spam, I call it new blood potential)

Nor am I saying that we are defending anything someone else says, I am telling you the direction we are going to go, period.

again, I dont give a fuck if you think it is bullshit or not, the changes will be made, stay or go. it makes no difference to me . you were gone once and Oprano did not die without you as you already said, and you did not die without Oprano. If yuou like it here then please come by often, if you dont then go wherever you want to.

I want the real businessmen, and the newbies. I think you are niether , but I do enjoy your conversation. you can be pissed or hurt or put aside or whatever . but those are the facts .

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Do you call 30K a month commission unproductive traffic?
I dont.
Ive never made 30K in my LIFE in one month off of all my sites combined.

Have you? Im really trying to put this in perspective Vick. Cuz I sure as fuck dont understand where your coming from. And no Im not talking about Shemp.

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Let me clarify, by saying businessmen, I eman the people on the level I mentioned that have decided to not come here in my earlier post, I do not mean you are not in business, sarretah .

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Wow so much at once

First off CJ is that really you??!!
How are ya? How's life on the bottom of the world? great to see ya (so to speak)

I reread some of the thread cross refed here and damn I actually discussed business


Gonzo, not sure what you are saying but is 30K a month unproductive? FUCK NO!. -
well maybe if you could have made 500K a month off the same traffic a different way it might be ....
Once again my gift for the obvious shines through


Joesho - while you're opening up the door to kick the old guard out remember
Which of the old guard helped bust your chops when you first came here and you earned your wings and spot here damn it ;-)

If you don't want that here now it's your place and I don't have the time, energy or inclination for it anymore anyway

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Damn player. Which site did you make 500K a month off of?

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Not me, I just make enough to keep of welfare and take 2 disney vacations a year ;-)

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Once again my gift for the obvious shines through ....

Hahaha and I hear you.
Theres a Kimmy Kim quote I could use here that she told me once but I will refrain!

Business models change...and so does Oprano!

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I sincerely hope it works

I guess from the outside looking in the biggest challenge seems to be finding the time for it with everything else you and Joe have going on

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Your used to me posting on here a lot. But the challenge has not simply been finding the time but the hook to have new folks stick here as well as the rest of us.

We just arent paying people to post.
You cant hire 4 people thats never ran a board before...call it adultnetsurprise II and expect it to work. Gear is nice but it shouldnt be used to drive posts and traffic with a "points" system.

The folks that have wandered over here from Xpeeps are looking for 2 things.

1. Honest advice on which sponsors to use and some building blocks to help develop a strategy to market them.

2. Some seed traffic to get them started.

While we were pissing I started laying the groundwork for number 2.
And while everyone has been whining I rebuilt GBU.

Check it out http://www.goodbadugly.info

And in addition to housing the press releases we will have some strategies and tutorials in a perm place at http://www.resourceboards.com

That project was set back due to a hosting change and a dropped database. Its was done a month ago but I have to go back and repopulate it.

Jace has been fine tuning the stream and http://www.opranoradio.com has been refitted still using Sister CJ's design. And Im about to go live again in the old slot but this time we call it "Burn" and target everyone as a potential listener. You can hear direct from the surfers what they like and dislike as well as some of the personalities that make up the sites.

So you can see its been a challenge.
Id rather not post about it as much as I have in the past .... just do it.
But I figured since you asked ... Id show off a little.

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Lordy lordy lordy, what a thread!!

IMHO you're all right. And you're all wrong.

So there. That should pretty much cover it. ;)

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One thing is for sure Drav.... we wont kick you in the teeth for having an idea!

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Okay, so what we've established is that things are different.

(The subtext, that some people will blow whichever way they think popular opinion wants the wind to blow, has probably been known to anyone with a 3rd grade reading level).

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Ah the sound of one hand clapping.....
What an entertaining thread. And I thought this was where the big money playas...well...played.

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It's great that I could come to Oprano this morning and see FHGs of a fat teen showing it all...

I mean, where else could I possibly see that?

:okthumb:

Nice work

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do you suppose people that build cars for a living ,

bitch when they see cars on the road ?

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Ah the sound of a blow hard who brags all the time about all the cash he makes but wants to keep everything all secret. Why dont you tell us all again how you are at carnivale but posting like mad on webmaster boards.

Better yet why dont you tell us how well your affiliate program is doing?

Maybe Serge wont pick on baby pee pee Graham and run him off so fast this time.

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Gotta lok at the snow as a reason to get closer to someone to keep em warm dear!! ;)