Thanks for pointing that out Colpanic, it turns out you were looking at an out a date page inside the site. The main page is here http://www.mobilebabes.com/mbcommands.php and that old page now links to that too :P

Were billing most carriers Premium for sure in the US - but many of them havent caught up with the billing descriptions yet so I hear.... [/b][/quote]
Guys, with all the bs going around in mobile... I just want to say that I talked to AMC, and they sorted out the issue really quickly and helpfully.

He knows his mobile stuff too, unlike a lot of the bs'ers :D

Bad links happen ;)

That's good to hear .. I tried hitting up AMC on icq but still no reply .. Rob can you or one of your guys from AMC hit me up please.

I think spending millions of dollars in marketing in the US is certainly pre-mature. However the pocket girls project has been relative cheap thus far. And we are moving cautiously with the marketing dollars which is where most new projects lose steam. :)

In short:

-Magazines brought sex out of the bedroom

-VCRs brought them to your living room

-the internet brought them to the office and to work

-mobile devices will bring them everywhere

In each of these cases people would have said "Who would ever......???"

But they do :)

However I think your concern is quite common and a very reasonable one.

Do you see what you're doing?

"It worked for magazines, VCR, DVD and the Internet so it will work for mobile too"

That's not the foundation for a solid business plan my friend ;-)

I can name very good valid reasons why each one of the mediums mentioned work. I can't really think of any why it would work on mobile. Would love to hear good arguments though ;-)

Do you see what you're doing?

"It worked for magazines, VCR, DVD and the Internet so it will work for mobile too"

That's not the foundation for a solid business plan my friend ;-)

I can name very good valid reasons why each one of the mediums mentioned work. I can't really think of any why it would work on mobile. Would love to hear good arguments though ;-) [/b][/quote]

Go pick up any European mens magazine and flip to the back. That should pretty much end the argument.

It will work for the same reason phone sex lines work.

Nobody is saying that this is going to be *the* killer app, but as a pornographer, you have a lot better chance makign some money with mobile porn than you do trying to invent the next hit ringtone. A) you know the market, and B) you aren't out gunned by about 50k other companies with piles of money.

I'm still interested to see what your killer idea is though ;)

but people call these lines from home and jerk off doing it, having a girl talk dirty on the phone to you is quite a unique service that is hard to get in any other way ;-)

Someone in this thread did ;-)

Do you see what you're doing?

"It worked for magazines, VCR, DVD and the Internet so it will work for mobile too"

That's not the foundation for a solid business plan my friend ;-)

I can name very good valid reasons why each one of the mediums mentioned work. I can't really think of any why it would work on mobile. Would love to hear good arguments though ;-) [/b][/quote]
Heheheheh, not one reason huh? I apologize for not posting our entire business plan on this chat board, however I assure you that it's just fine. I ljust like my answers concise

Since I am still up to my neck in 2257 BS, let's go this route. How many mediums has pornography graced where it has failed?

Here are the mediums it has succeeded on.
Magazines, DVDs, film, Phone (audio-text), VCR (Beta and VHS), Cable, Live Sex Shows, Peep Shows with Windows, PPV adult theaters, Strip Clubs without windows, The Internet, Video Games...hell I even know a guy who turns a profit making pornographic cookies

Radio might be an good answer. Although, I believe as satellite radio matures, it will also evolve to porn in some way. Are there any others porn failures out there that you can point out?

I don't believe porn games are a vibrant multi-billion dollar market. And I also listed the fact that because porn is already available on all these superior mediums that the mobile phone does not offer any distinct advantages..

But instead of just saying "it will be successful because it was successful on all these other mediums too" why don't you name one good solid reason why it will really take off on mobile phones? I have already listed many reasons why it won't take off, can't you think of a single reason why it will take off?

What unique advantage does the mobile phone offer that no other medium offers? That I can watch porn on the bus? I wanna jerk off when I watch porn, I don't want to jerk off on the bus. (actually I do but I'd go to prison)

If I would read your business plan and I couldn't extract the reason why it will take off and articulate it in one sentence then the business plan is not very solid ;-)

I peeped the set up they have. Looks nice.
I will say that all of you thinking its going nowhere... I can tell you that your premature. I know of a mobile program that converts 1:16 already.

Leave your heads in the sand... leaves more cash for the rest of us.

I don't believe porn games are a vibrant multi-billion dollar market. And I also listed the fact that because porn is already available on all these superior mediums that the mobile phone does not offer any distinct advantages..

But instead of just saying "it will be successful because it was successful on all these other mediums too" why don't you name one good solid reason why it will really take off on mobile phones? I have already listed many reasons why it won't take off, can't you think of a single reason why it will take off?

What unique advantage does the mobile phone offer that no other medium offers? That I can watch porn on the bus? I wanna jerk off when I watch porn, I don't want to jerk off on the bus. (actually I do but I'd go to prison)

If I would read your business plan and I couldn't extract the reason why it will take off and articulate it in one sentence then the business plan is not very solid ;-) [/b][/quote]
"I don't believe porn games are a vibrant multi-billion dollar market"

Me neither, thank god I only need multi-milliions. :)

The question I ended my last post was this:

Are there any others porn failures out there that you can point out? (Medium Wise)
You must have missed it, so I repose it? Or was your answer that I can only expect to become sorta rich doing mobile phone porn. Because I do agree that the XXX games don't blow off the shelves, I can't think of any total flops when it comes to adult content delivery methods.

"What unique advantage does the mobile phone offer that no other medium offers?"
Hmmmmm, (jeopardy theme) Answer: What is unassuming mobility Alex? :) Correct

To eleborate, you seem very confused between using mobile devices to enjoy porn and using mobile devices in public to enjoy porn.

Your suggested JO locales from above were as follows:

"On the train?

At work? (Ever notice how many Windows NT accesses your site gets, BTW)

At the grocery store?"

Mobile porn means you can grab your phone wih your favorite movie clip and/or photo sets on it and take it in the bedroom if you want, the bathroom if you want, your girlfriends house if you want, anywhere. I have a fantastic TV in my living room, however I don't have a TV anywhere else in my house. I also don't have a PC in my bathroom. Dude, it will be a portable video mag, without walking out with a mag. You need to use your imagination here. And yes, screen sizes will get larger with higher rez, memory sizes will increase and network connections will get faster (please don't argue these). Those things are a given.


"But instead of just saying "it will be successful because it was successful on all these other mediums too" why don't you name one good solid reason why it will really take off on mobile phones?"

Well I must say that when sex can be offered in a different and new way and you combine that with the old addage "Sex sells!" my statement sorta works. However I will add a paragraph and one link for you as well.

The online/electronic adult content delivery industry will CONTINUE growing as a successfully and profitable industry with the help of the increasing market penetration of internet capable moble devices. The privacy and unassuming mobility of these devices will make transporting and viewing adult content on the road a much safer bet then transporting DVD's or charging an explicit movie to the users coroporate card. In addtion advancing mobile technologies such as represented in new mobile devices like Sony's PSP are taking portable video to whole new level. Based on the continued growth of the adult internet market, and the world's love of sex and technology, delivering adult content to mobile devices is a sure bet.

And read this if the above is insufficient.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=...ic_ringtones_dc

I think the concerns I raise are quite valid and that it is the opposite of having my head in the sand :)

I'm just really curious why people seem to think that mobile porn is going to be huge and it appears nobody is able to articulate it.

I'm not saying that it's not possible to make any money with mobile porn, what I am saying is that I believe it will be nowhere near the money the big paysites were making in 97, 98, 99. I am also saying there are indeed many mobile opportunities which will be huge and obscenely lucrative and that by focussing on porn people are missing the bigger picture. See the onion supermarket analogy ;-)

I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm trying to talk some sense into people ;-)

I won't argue these except for one...

the age old dillema, people want bigger screens but smaller phones. Which do you think will win for the mass market ;-)

I think the concerns I raise are quite valid and that it is the opposite of having my head in the sand :)

I'm just really curious why people seem to think that mobile porn is going to be huge and it appears nobody is able to articulate it.

I'm not saying that it's not possible to make any money with mobile porn, what I am saying is that I believe it will be nowhere near the money the big paysites were making in 97, 98, 99. I am also saying there are indeed many mobile opportunities which will be huge and obscenely lucrative and that by focussing on porn people are missing the bigger picture. See the onion supermarket analogy ;-)

I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm trying to talk some sense into people ;-) [/b][/quote]
"I'm just really curious why people seem to think that mobile porn is going to be huge and it appears nobody is able to articulate it"

Last time I checked 1:16 wasn't bad


"what I am saying is that I believe it will be nowhere near the money the big paysites were making in 97, 98, 99"

Now that's a different story, then what you have been saying. :) Since mobile porn is a product of the internet of course it won't be as big as the internet's glory days, but it will be a lot of money for the people who get in early.

Articulation in my above post.

And I don't think your a dick, I very much like debating this. :) No hard feelings

I won't argue these except for one...

the age old dillema, people want bigger screens but smaller phones. Which do you think will win for the mass market ;-) [/b][/quote]
actually both, Have you ever seen that LCD fabric the Japanese are working on? Imagine in two or three years a pull tab with a ultra thin tri-fold screen that expands to 4.5" x 2". Razor thin phone, big screen. Never underestimate technology, they will find a way. :wnw:

Yes... there is also a lot of money to be made in real estate... but this is a porn board right?

:blink:

If you rewind back to my first post you'll see that's exactly what I'm saying, followed by some devils advocate arguments to get the discussion warmed up :)

I can see how someone sleeping at a place other than his own bedroom often would want to sneak some porn with him, I can also see how a mobile phone would be a very covert way of carrying porn for a teenage boy, but that's a niche market at best. Probably not a booming industry.


Now if I would venture into the mobile arena I would consider these things first:

Target audience:

What countries have some of the largest mobile content and software consumption? China, Indonesia, Turkey, India, Pakistan.... all countries where porn is illegal. China has two times more mobile phone users than the USA has citizens!! Selling mobile porn is like selling online porn without being able to take orders from the US.

Marketing:

How am I going to get Nokia, Motorola, SE etc. to preinstall my products on their handsets before they ship them? How am I going to get mobile phone distributors to install my products on their devices before they sell them to their retail stores? How am I going to get Vodafone, TMobile, Orange, Verizon etc. to market my products to their subscribers and do a revshare with me?

Not by selling a porn product! Do you think you can match the effectiveness of the above marketing strategies with your own website?


Ok maybe you will be able to make a living from a mobile porn site, but why limit your potential when there are so many other things you can develop and sell that can make a million times more money?

That's why I say, people who think mobile is going to be huge are on the right track but if they focus on adult they are missing the bigger picture :okthumb:

Maybe they'll soon have contact lenses with a heads up display so you can see your mobile phone screen larger than live ;-)

Just don't bank your live savings on unannounced technology coming to market in the near future or you may go bankrupt waiting for your prophecy to come true ;-)

Yes... there is also a lot of money to be made in real estate... but this is a porn board right?
[/b][/quote]
You don't want to make money if it's not from porn? ;-)

If you rewind back to my first post you'll see that's exactly what I'm saying, followed by some devils advocate arguments to get the discussion warmed up :)

I can see how someone sleeping at a place other than his own bedroom often would want to sneak some porn with him, I can also see how a mobile phone would be a very covert way of carrying porn for a teenage boy, but that's a niche market at best. Probably not a booming industry.


Now if I would venture into the mobile arena I would consider these things first:

Target audience:

What countries have some of the largest mobile content and software consumption? China, Indonesia, Turkey, India, Pakistan.... all countries where porn is illegal. China has two times more mobile phone users than the USA has citizens!! Selling mobile porn is like selling online porn without being able to take orders from the US.

Marketing:

How am I going to get Nokia, Motorola, SE etc. to preinstall my products on their handsets before they ship them? How am I going to get mobile phone distributors to install my products on their devices before they sell them to their retail stores? How am I going to get Vodafone, TMobile, Orange, Verizon etc. to market my products to their subscribers and do a revshare with me?

Not by selling a porn product! Do you think you can match the effectiveness of the above marketing strategies with your own website?


Ok maybe you will be able to make a living from a mobile porn site, but why limit your potential when there are so many other things you can develop and sell that can make a million times more money?

That's why I say, people who think mobile is going to be huge are on the right track but if they focus on adult they are missing the bigger picture :okthumb: [/b][/quote]
excellent post

I'm not saying porn isn't going to make any money
there are some people who will make (pardon the pun) and obscene amount of money, but it's going to be very few (IMHO)

Newton's been one of the few to have a sneak peak into what we are doing and how we are differentiaiting from the standard ringtone/download guys.

We want to build strategic partnerships with the big carriers and can't do it by having porn in our portfolio (sure we could seperate them, but I'd rather concentrate on our niche). The key is to offer services that others aren't or aren't doing/as well as they could.

We've already lined up tentative deals where we merely act as a broker of specific content. We're working on strategic partnerships where we're not doing all of the marketing ourselves.

Anyone else who wants a sneak peak, wire me a $25K good faith deposit and I'll fax/fedex a full business plan (minus a couple new tech things that came up that can make us even better). ;-)

I'm also in no hurry to deal with the inevitable government interference with mobile porn....

You don't want to make money if it's not from porn? ;-) [/b][/quote]
Timon, today is June 19 2005. Bump this post in a year and let's see where I am at. I think your arguments are weak at best, and all off them WITHOUT exception revolve around the status quo. Can you really make an argument that technology won't get there, that countries won't change politically, and company policies will remain stagnant. These things will change, and I will be there.

Actually I am going to agree with you, if the world stays the same I WILL fail, 100%.

I am one of the few people who has build a successfully branded affiliate program without having to rely on traffic, revenue and experiences I had in the 97-99 era, and I can tell you I did it by NOT doing what was known to work at the time.

I am well aware of what I need to do to make this work, and the obvious things you have mentioned are being considered and for the most part will come about.

I have never argued that adult content is the mobile industries first and only prioritty and that they wouldn't be focusing on other things. Once again your arguments are from and all or nothing standpoint.

"That's why I say, people who think mobile is going to be huge are on the right track but if they focus on adult they are missing the bigger picture"


OK Timon. Now actually answer this. What should I focus on? You are on an adult board, talking to an adult webmaster. Should I be selling soccer jerseys? Of course we have other adult orientated products in mind, however you must realize that jumping from industry to industry following trends is not a sucessful way to do things. However offering what you do well in other mediums and increased quality is. And lastly if "mobile is going to be huge" then certainly the growth of the XXX side of things will grow right along side of it.

In the next 5 years China, Pakistan, Indonesia, Turkey, India and other countries where porn is illegal will not legalize porn.

In the next 5 years Nokia and other manufacturers will not pre-install porn on their devices before shipping.

In the next 5 years Verizon and other operators will not market pornography directly to their subscribers.

In the next 5 years there won't be any significant increase in screensize technology at an end user affordable mass market scale.

If you believe otherwise and are banking on any of the above to happen within the next 5 years you are living in dreamland.

If you have to ask then you don't deserve to know ;-))

It's a shame you see it that way. People who see this as a business board and see themselves as a businessman rather than a pornographer have so much more potential :okthumb:

Adult will be only a small, but very lucrative tip of the mobile market, the main money is in mainstream and always will be. Doesnt hurt to have fingers in all pies ;)

Definitely, nothing wrong with doing adult if you approach it from that perspective :okthumb:

"In the next 5 years there won't be any significant increase in screensize technology at an end user affordable mass market scale"

HAHAHAHAHAHA


"It's a shame you see it that way. People who see this as a business board and see themselves as a businessman rather than a pornographer have so much more potential :okthumb:"


Actually I am quite proud to be both a pornographer and a business man. However I am noticing you are retreating to subtle insults and pure fantasy in substitution of an actual argument.

IMO, First-Mover advantage is for the most overrated - unless you can patent your idea/concept/product or buy the land/property. That doesn´t mean you shouldn´t try and invest if you belive in the idea, but you should know that once the money is there, then competition will be fierce.

So rule of thumb - you need to make high margin profits today, so that you will have money, when the market evolves into the next level (unless you are looking to cashout at that time ;-)))

What's so funny?

Are you telling me that you believe that the majority of cellphones will have an expandable fabric screen within 5 years from now so instead of focussing your business on what is available now you are banking on that happening?

Then I'll retreat to a not so subtle insult, you're a moron ;-)

South Korea is a minimum of 6-24 months ahead of europe/us, when it comes to mobile technology. So if you can spot any new major development in the mobile technology/usage in South Korea, then you have lots of time to get ready in the US or Europe ;-)

Here is some of the latest I could find from South Korea:

http://laptopmag.com/Features/The-Seoul-of...-Cell-Phone.htm

or bookmark http://www.sec.co.kr/ and visit that site once every year, so you know what is coming ;-))

I was just pointing to those as an example. But you saying there will be no "SIGNIFICANT" screen size changes, in 5 years. That is funny.

For the record I don't think there will be theater size screeens that pop out of your phone like a switch blade. However no significant change is NOT possible. Have you seen the PSP screen?

:awinky:

Holy ongoing thread batman!

My question is, Timon, why are you spending so much time talking about things you clearly don't have a handle on?

Shouldn't you be out doing something more lucrative, like selling cars or whatever you do?

If we agree with you, will you shut up? Fine, you are right. People who waste their time selling porn don't get it. All the money is in mainstream... nothing to see here.

Good luck working on your ringtone, or whatever your big mobile idea is. ;)

Because I got annoyed by all the folks on here talking about mobile porn like it's this huge thing on the horizon that is going to eclipse the i-porn boom of 96/97, total nonsense IMO.

And for the record I sell boats, really fucking big ones ;-)

People want small phones that are comfortable in their pocket and I don't see how in the 5 next years there is going to be some breakthrough that is going to make a screen expand significantly larger than the small mobile phone it is attached to. The technology may be developed but it is not going to be available at an end user affordable mass market scale.

Have you seen those cool Fujitsu 60" plasma screens? Both the 60" plasma and the 7" PSP are bigger than what the average Joe wants to have in his sweaty pocket all day.

Here's something interesting, I got this from overture bids tool:


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Kind of a contrast with the Internet in its early days where everyone was searching for porn isn't it? :blink:

Because I got annoyed by all the folks on here talking about mobile porn like it's this huge thing on the horizon that is going to eclipse the i-porn boom of 96/97, total nonsense IMO.

And for the record I sell boats, really fucking big ones ;-) [/b][/quote]

Are they big, USED boats by chance? It would explain a few things about the way you make an argument.. lots of meaningless numbers and garbage.
:nyanya:

Show me the post where anyone said that mobile porn was like internet porn in 96, 97 and I'll shut up, otherwise, the only nonsense is coming from you.

It's really not worth posting anymore in this thread, since your biggest revelation seems to be that the term "ringtone" is more important than "mobile porn", but nobody here needs a degree in boat sales to get that.

Good luck ;)

New boats only ;-)

And the only one who has stated any common sense arguments in this thread is me. After explaining why it is impossible to market mobile porn on an as large a scale as non adult content, and why it is impossible to even sell porn to 90% of the market, the best come back you guys can come up with is "sex sells" and "it did really well on the www and dvd so it must do well on mobile too" :rolleyes:

The biggest revelation is that besides from not being able to sell mobile porn to 90% of the market nobody is even interested in mobile porn, eventhough there is a very high interest in mobile content, even higher than in online porn.

Did you know there are more searches for the word "ringtone" than the word "porn"? I find that very significant indeed.

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