Don't worry, Peaches. It's all on tape, preserved for posterity.

I would have ascertained the situation and based my decision on whether there were extenuating circumstances, monetary considerations, and the employee's attitude after the fact.

I have been known to drink at shows. I certainly hope I'm not perceived as one of the obnoxious ones; but, as others have pointed out, it's my company and it is my choice as to how people 'see' me.

I don't know whether or not I would have fired the person in question. I certainly would have talked to him, extensively; and, most likely, placed him on probation, if I sent him to another show.

There would have been a public apology across the boards, also, to anyone and everyone he may have offended with his behavior.

I tend to agree with Maureen... (and HI btw! :) )

I don't attend all that many shows...but I'm 'on' from the minute I arrive in the city where the show is being held. Actually, I tend to be aware even from the airport where I'm catching the last leg of the flight in, that I 'may' run into some industry people also travelling to the show.

And I stay 'on' up until I land in LA on my way home, cos you just never know where you're going to run into 'work' people.

Even tho I drink, I don't take it to the point where I lose control of my faculties (ok perhaps excepting that one night that ScottPB plied me with illicit substances and I ended up standing in the foyer of the Venetian talking to Sykk and Punky, swaying the whole time).

I LOVE attending the shows (hint hint Bill, time I did another one :awinky: )...but I'm always aware that despite the fact that they're enormous fun, and a huge adrenaline high, they are still, and most importantly, work, and my behaviour should reflect that, from beginning to end.

Thanks Brad and Raven.

Both of you pretty much summed up my feelings on the situation exactly.

If you make a sound I will kill you.

With proper accentuation it's both effective and professional.

If you make a sound I will kill you.

With proper accentuation it's both effective and professional. [/b][/quote]
Hmmm ....

did a number of your friends come up missing pets when you were younger?

If you make a sound I will kill you.

With proper accentuation it's both effective and professional. [/b][/quote]
haha...

Hmmm ....

did a number of your friends come up missing pets when you were younger?[/b][/quote]
Nah, but I killed my neighbor’s dog by accident. Little fucker would go wild when we tried to sneak back into my parent's house late at night so we got the ingenious idea to give it the chocolate ex lax to quiet it down while we climbed in the window one time.

Little guy shit himself to death. I felt bad about that one.

Common courtesy and respect is lacking in many aspects of this business.

Well, I am not all about beating people up, I think he (both husbands involved) did the standup thing. Like I said, I think he should have apologized to her. I think had he done that, nothing would have steamrolled. I also stated that I know her pretty well and that would have been good enough for her. She is a classy girl and a professional.

What "he did" and the extent of what we are talking about now are not really one in the same. The thread meandered a bit. If you are discussing him as an isolated event, that is not the same as your very general thread title. This is why I am weary of posting in threads like this, people tend to not understand the nuances.

I don't have enough time to explain all of that however.

Step back and take a look at the mentality dealt with in this industry. We all read the boards. Getting drunk (the general scenario) hardly matches up to the daily ignorant ramblings I see on chat boards.

I have not the time for that either. [/b][/quote]
By industry standards, I'm a prude. I'll drink a bit, and have a good time, but I'm really not here to get drunk, laid or high. I'm in the industry to do biz and make money.

However, I also accept the fact that this isn't an industry where the trade shows and conventions consist of employees wear khaki pants and polo shirts with the company logo. Drones that wont say anything to a customer or client that hasn't been rehearsed and approved by a director of corporate communications or marketing.

There will be drinking, nudity, sex and what would in normal circles be socially unacceptable behavior. You best be prepared for it. And if you're an employer and sending someone who hasn't been before you best make sure they can handle it and prep them.

But there still have to be boundaries. To me, anything that harms another individual or puts them in harms way is out of bounds. Plain and simple. Starting a fight, throwing chairs into the atrium, physically making unwanted sexual advances especially after being asked to knock it off, all would fall into that category. And saying "oops, my bad, i'm sorry" doesn't make it all right in most cases.

Again, for me personally, i'd fire one of my guys for that type of thing. I cant even invision any of them putting themselves in such a position. But hey, again, I'm a prude.

I do not know all of the specifics of the incident nor have I talked to anyone directly involved, so I'm speaking in general terms only about what would be acceptable behavior in my eyes.

Again, I dont know the specifics here.

But I think anyone will tell you I'm not a violent person normally. However, I am protective. If it were my girl, I dont think anyone is gonna get a second ass grab in.

If I saw it, there would be a confrontation to explain that it wasn't acceptable, and the dude needs to step. I've had to do that before. Fortunately being a big guy and knowing how to "woof up" (southern term), I've never had anyone not realize that I was serious and push it further.

Most normal people stop when you make it clear they've committed an ass kicking offense that they should cease before the ass kicking commences. Those who are so stupid or have partaken in so much modern chemistry as to not be quite that reasonable need to be removed by the club management or hosts before it gets that far. When they aren't, that's how fights start.

In practice, in my old age, when I see those type of storm clouds brewing, I'm likely to exit before trouble starts. There's no business to be done in that environment. And I dont exactly have a party image that I need to protect.

Frankly, I've seen worse from the harassment point at non-adult tradeshows. It's amazing how you get a couple of thousand guys together, away from home and the wife, and their behaviour disintegrates into that of the average frat boy during rush week.

Shit happens, everyone makes mistakes. Hopefully Rinaldo will learn from his, otherwise he'll be another newbie nova. Probably a toss up as to which one at this point, imo.

We can all sit around and say we'd never do this or never do that, or we'd fire someone, tell them to go to rehab, etc. When it comes down to it, every situation is unique and who knows what any of us might do.

As my dear friend Nick is so fond of saying, we have all the morals we can afford. It's not because we're in adult, it's because we're human.

"He sux cock by choice" - Deadwood

Jason Biggs would not be proud.

""""As my dear friend Nick is so fond of saying, we have all the morals we can afford. It's not because we're in adult, it's because we're human. """"

Nice! :)


As Jesus said , "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
((what is omitted is that immediate following this remark a huge rock flew out of the crowd and twatted the poor victim of the stoning in the head resulting in Jesus sighing and saying "Sometimes Mum you piss me right off!" ))


Frankly anyone who knows me is aware that if I was the husband I would have smacked the shit out of him.

I think people that grew up in either Europe or Aussie are far more likely to react with violence than North Americans.

Sadly it's true... sometimes a good kicking works better than shouting and balling...

Ditto. Heck, the MCI and Sprint conventions make our shows look tame!

Bottom line - we've all made mistakes. Sometimes we could apologize and everything's fine, sometimes we get more severe ramifications.

But as far as the poll is concerned, everything is, and should be, done on a case by case basis.

With all due respect to both Nick and KK, morals don't have anything to do with this situation.

This is business, pure and simple; and, if an employee acts in a way that can cost the company current or future revenues, then the situation calls for an action, be it a lecture or a firing.

alli remember seeing was everyone getting along..and lots of fun and laughter from the complaining parties when they were with the said individual....scary how fast some will go for the throat in this business.


anyway, i dont care..i stay far away from content girls for a reason at shows.

Rinaldo is a good kid, mistakes happen..he is still young, we all have a decade on him almost...Hope he makes out ok

Why is it everytime someone calls me a cunt , it starts out with "With all due respect..."

;-))

You know Brad, you are well known as a rabblerowzing badass. You're always out of control at shows, and your crazy staff and their endless cigar smoking and coffee drinking are just as bad.

LOLOLOL

I always enjoy hanging around with you, Bill, Cory, etc... at shows. Some of the most professional guys around. :)

Thanks for the thread I actually get a smile on my face the more this gets dragged through the mud.
FIrstly I do not recall grabbing anyone without permission, if any of you go to message boards as often as you obviously seem to do you'd have seen my photos with about 50 women all smiling with their breast exposed blowing me kisses and what have you.
I do not need to harrass women I'm 23 and I'm not hideous.
What seems to have happened is everyone decided to get up on that Horse and talk shit down to me, well everyone has done stupid shit, I have never called anyone out after 3 and a half years of going to shows, I've seen chairs thrown off balconies, people arrested, prostetutes running out of rooms crying, come on. I've apologized to the masses for being drunk, that I have no shame admitting. I have learned my lesson as well.

FIrstly I'm not going to drink like I used to, I thought about it and I really don't enjoy it anyways, you wake up the next day feeling like total shit.

Second, I won't be over exposing myself trying to brand whomever I work for. I was way too far in the forefront and it burned me in the end.

TO those parties involved I'm sorry this lead to a public discussion, I would have preferred a phone call at the very least.

Cory I did apologize both through email and in it's own thread, they accepted my apology for being drunk and for my immature comment in her thread and that is one of the things I truly regret doing.

Brad you got to realize some people's value system consists of "He's a good guy....he bought me drinks."

Dont take a stand against anything and soon you will fall down. All I can say is I hope some pople enjoy their time in this business. The next job might not have these types of parties to attend.

The sad thing is, it's not just the employees - it's the company owners and principals as well that get away with type of behavior pretty much scot-free. You don't have to be "content" to be treated badly by drunken "professionals". Not only is it humiliating for the woman when it happens to then, being the subject of debate about it later is even more embarassing. Good thing the women in this business are tough.

Thanks for validating what I've been posting.

Thanks for validating what I've been posting. [/b][/quote]
Gonzo,
the truth is this isn't the worst thing that's ever happened and people are making it out to be.
I am not defending myself in any way. Fuck I made a mistake either way getting drunk. I know Myself and I wasn't acting in my best interests.

Gonzo,
the truth is this isn't the worst thing that's ever happened and people are making it out to be.
I am not defending myself in any way. Fuck I made a mistake either way getting drunk. I know Myself and I wasn't acting in my best interests. [/b][/quote]
I will agree with you. Its not the worst thing that has happened nor will it be the worst thing that ever will happen.

You at least have a few things in your favor...

1. You apologized
2. You have the stones to show up and respond.

and most importantly

3. You didnt come up with a lame ass excuse of "Blacking out" or blaming it on someone "spiking your drink".

This thread wasnt meant to single you out. Its more of my reaction to a couple of things that disgust me when it comes to some peoples attitude in this business.

1. Women/Content in this business are whores and are to be treated as such.
2. Its ok to behave like an ass in this business if you apologize... even if you could have killed someone hurling chairs at them.


If it were me [and Im sure you probably have] Id spend the effort on making things right with the women and their husbands.

Gonzo , mate ,

If you fall off that horse mate it sure is gonna smart!!!! LOL

I have first hand experience of waaaaaayyyyyyyy worse happening at conferences for Stockbrokers , and Lloyds brokers , in the 80s or 90s.

I will agree with you. Its not the worst thing that has happened nor will it be the worst thing that ever will happen.

You at least have a few things in your favor...

1. You apologized
2. You have the stones to show up and respond.

and most importantly

3. You didnt come up with a lame ass excuse of "Blacking out" or blaming it on someone "spiking your drink".

This thread wasnt meant to single you out. Its more of my reaction to a couple of things that disgust me when it comes to some peoples attitude in this business.

1. Women/Content in this business are whores and are to be treated as such.
2. Its ok to behave like an ass in this business if you apologize... even if you could have killed someone hurling chairs at them.


If it were me [and Im sure you probably have] Id spend the effort on making things right with the women and their husbands. [/b][/quote]
I'm being honest and open about this: I do not and have not, in my short life span, ever accept that sort of behavior and I would make every effort to apologize and make things right.
However I'm also not goign to beg, I did make mistakes, the most I can do is offer to mend the scars it's created.

I have no reservations handing out my cell number or my email address if anyone so wishes to reach me directly and that's how I prefer to handle things if speaking in person isn't an option. I am a little disappointed that things were carried out on openly. But I deserved it I assume through my moronic comments

Pretty hard to keep beating on a kid when he has apologised.

Rinaldo has apologised to all involved.

I think this thread has run its course.

Though it is interesting seeing the ripe mixture of "holier than thou" and boardwhores acting like a "C" Class porn actress at an orgy (ie Not knowing whose cock to suck next) LOL

Good thread though gonzo... :)

.... but you know I wont.

Call it a high horse or a soapbox if you want to but I know you know thats this is how I was raised. Just because I peddle pussy doesnt meant that I check morality and common decency at the door.

Speaking of horses though... we got both sides of the story now so Ill find some more shit to stir!

By industry standards, I'm a prude. I'll drink a bit, and have a good time, but I'm really not here to get drunk, laid or high. I'm in the industry to do biz and make money.

However, I also accept the fact that this isn't an industry where the trade shows and conventions consist of employees wear khaki pants and polo shirts with the company logo. Drones that wont say anything to a customer or client that hasn't been rehearsed and approved by a director of corporate communications or marketing.

There will be drinking, nudity, sex and what would in normal circles be socially unacceptable behavior. You best be prepared for it. And if you're an employer and sending someone who hasn't been before you best make sure they can handle it and prep them.

But there still have to be boundaries. To me, anything that harms another individual or puts them in harms way is out of bounds. Plain and simple. Starting a fight, throwing chairs into the atrium, physically making unwanted sexual advances especially after being asked to knock it off, all would fall into that category. And saying "oops, my bad, i'm sorry" doesn't make it all right in most cases.

Again, for me personally, i'd fire one of my guys for that type of thing. I cant even invision any of them putting themselves in such a position. But hey, again, I'm a prude.

I do not know all of the specifics of the incident nor have I talked to anyone directly involved, so I'm speaking in general terms only about what would be acceptable behavior in my eyes. [/b][/quote]
"But there still have to be boundaries. To me, anything that harms another individual or puts them in harms way is out of bounds. Plain and simple. Starting a fight, throwing chairs into the atrium, physically making unwanted sexual advances especially after being asked to knock it off, all would fall into that category. And saying "oops, my bad, i'm sorry" doesn't make it all right in most cases."

I agree with that.

Rinaldo, I never cared about what you did as much as how you handled it after the fact. I am friends with her, and had you just said sorry, I would have advised her to just let it go (not that i would have had to). You brought it on yourself by insulting her. You are kind of the guy that cheated on his girl and then bragged to all her friends about it. It isn't the worst thing, hell, if we are speaking in terms of just being intoxicated, I could likely match you. You just aren't very good at damage control. As most will tell you, I am :)

Gonzo, I think you are being a bit holier than now. You are asserting you were raised with certain standards, keep in mind that some people may view sending a camera crew to a woman's home and posting it all over the Internet as below the ethics threshold. Posting personal information may fall into that category as well. At the end of the day, I don't care. One of the reasons I have this job, is due to my ability to write, appeal to clients, entertain (sometimes involves drinking with), and keep our company in a professional light (these are my exterior duties that is). So when I see others behave counter to this, I view it like you view someone intoxicated at a show. But to each there own.

VooMan, thanks brother. Always good seeing you.

HP, we agree more than we disagree. Now, consider this, what if you hired me to promote your product. Would you want me to go to the show and be a fun. likeable guy? Or some stiff? With the former it may be irresponsible to assume that nothing gets done :)

""""One of the reasons I have this job, is due to my ability to write, appeal to clients, entertain (sometimes involves drinking with), and keep our company in a professional light (these are my exterior duties that is). So when I see others behave counter to this, I view it like you view someone intoxicated at a show.""""


Does that translate to "kiss up to everyone who might be important" ?


;-))))

And that isn't a criticism. Its a very necessary job.

Cory, Cory, Cory....

:( for someone that likes to keep reminding everyone how mature he is, and how to deal with their problems,

You sure do seem to dwell on you own, and sling shit

FUCKING HYPOCRITE

and you know exactly what I am talking about, so live by your own words .
Try that out once see how it is how about that ?

No holy water here. Im not catholic.
Here are a few facts for you though since the Confucy episode seems to be a curiosity.

1. I never sent anyone to anybodys home.
2. A person with A camera does not constitute a camera crew.
3. If your information is publically availible on the internet how can it be called private? It's published to the world.

Information wants to be free.
As you say though each to their own. We just don't share the same views.

Maybe? Not sure. I pretty much try to befriend anyone I can. That includes you :)

In all honesty however, I am like that outside of this industry. I pretty much talk to everyone. Like I say, my only real notable board drama was here. That isn't too bad.

I see people at shows that despise talking to others. I never get that.

Cory, Cory, Cory....

:( for someone that likes to keep reminding everyone how mature he is, and how to deal with their problems,

You sure do seem to dwell on you own, and sling shit

FUCKING HYPOCRITE

and you know exactly what I am talking about, so live by your own words .
Try that out once see how it is how about that ? [/b][/quote]
I am not slinging anything. We are opening up in this thread? Or not? No dwelling. Gonzo and I do not see eye to eye on a lot of things, that is life. That is a reality. Your reply is aggressive, his in not. I think he understands that.

I am merely pointing out how we all have different views. That is all. If that is a problem, just let me know. You say the word, I will stop posting here.

No holy water here. Im not catholic.
Here are a few facts for you though since the Confucy episode seems to be a curiosity.

1. I never sent anyone to anybodys home.
2. A person with A camera does not constitute a camera crew.
3. If your information is publically availible on the internet how can it be called private? It's published to the world.

Information wants to be free.
As you say though each to their own. We just don't share the same views. [/b][/quote]
Exactly what I am saying. Maybe I don't understand you?

Are you saying you are upset at those who are drunk at a show? Or those that are drunk and exhibit some type of outlandish behavior?

They really are not the same.

I went back over to the Zoo where all this was aired out orginally since both sides were brought to light.

In all fairness to Rinaldo.... looking at the chronology of things ... it seems that his behaviour wasnt called into question [at least on the board] until he said that 'Niller had ugly tits.

Its hard to follow over there but it seems shortly after he made that comment was when he was "outted" as a bad boy.

Am I misreading the thread? Is there any truth to the rumor that its drove her to get a new boob job?

Spin? Counterspin?

I think you are both saying the same thing lol.....

I'm just happy everyone is nice to me :)


I guess it cause I'm so nice and pleasant and good looking too.....

or is it the ability to send 100 plus sales a day.... ;-))))

Nawwww all these people like me cause I'm real nice , not cause I can send joins....

I must stop being so cynical.

;-)))

I'm also happy that the people I do business with are friends that I have done business with for years , Oprano family.

I seriously don't know most of the names on GFY....

Who is whose rep , and who owns a little proggie...

Thank fuck for Oprano family , so I can just deal with them. :)