LOL! Nah, you don't sound angry at all! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I still get a kick out of you making things up about posters in an attempt to feel superior and trying to find a vein of truth you think they might get upset over. :P

So you are going to try and tell us that your life ended up exactly how you wanted it?

You aimed that low? You wanted to be an uneducated housewife? You are happy with that?

All the educational resources of the wealthiest nation on the planet at your ready, and you said... "nah, I want to be a housewife whos life revolves around making friends on message boards"?

Can I bring you to class one day for show and tell?

Fred Plops For Reparations

Sells Out To Johnny Cochran




I see by the papers in the Yankee Capital that Johnny Cochran, and of course Jesse and Al, are wheezing and blowing like a county-fair calliope with a leaky boiler. They always are. This time it was about the need to pay reparations for the ravages trala of slavery. It got me to thinking.

I hate it when that happens.

Now, I know I’m hard-hearted, and mean-spirited, and no damn good. It’s probably my only virtue. But on consideration, I realized that they might be right. The ravages of slavery do run deep, and cause motingator trouble, with no end in sight. I decided that compensation was only reasonable. Sometimes you don’t like a conclusion, but you have to reach it. All right. I’ll be a man about it.

You can pay me reparations, Johnny.

To start with, I figure you owe me for three bicycles. Maybe it’s a small thing, but I’m tired of losing bicycles. Are we talking market value or replacement? What I really want to be paid for is having to keep my latest two-wheeler in my living room. Do you know how many times I’ve knocked the fool thing over? And, oh, the scratch in my granddad’s antique desk that the brake lever made. What’s that worth?

Call it three grand. OK? Direct deposit would be nice.

But . . . how do we dollarize cultural retrogression? God knows I appreciate your offer of reparations, but I’m having trouble with the arithmetic. Help me.

A few years back, my middle-school daughter brought home a horrendously misspelled science hand-out. Now, Johnny: You and I both know that it’s easy to make a typo, and write “phenylkeetone” instead of “phenylketone.” But “feemelkeebome” is stretching it. The errors were of this sort. An understanding of chemistry clearly had never rippled the serene surface of the woman’s mind.

Without thinking, I asked, “What color is your teacher?” (If I had thought carefully, I would have asked, “What color is your teacher?”) My daughter responded with an anguished, “Da-d-d-d-y!” She had made the connection, but knew she wasn’t supposed to.

I’ve got no problem with black teachers, if they are competent. No problem at all. But a teacher who is too ignorant to spell her subject, and too lazy to use a dictionary, ought to be flipping burgers. Simple burgers, with no moving parts. Thing is, we can’t fire ignorant teachers, Johnny, because of the lingering effects of slavery. I can yell at an ignorant white teacher, but not at a black one. To expect blacks to meet standards is racist. You can send me the price of four years of tuition in a private school outside the country.

What’s the cost of permanent welfare? Subsidized everything? Enormous police departments? What do you figure? Just add it to your tab. Have you thought about setting up an endowment?

But here’s a large ravage of slavery, Johnny: Fear.

What price do we put on looking over our shoulders? On watching to be sure we don’t go one subway stop too far? Warning our girlfriends not to drive on certain streets? Checking the clientele of Seven-Eleven before going in at night?

People in, say, Switzerland can walk their streets after dark. We can’t. Why? What have we got that they don’t, that might cause fear?

Elvis impersonators, Johnny. Yep. Switzerland doesn’t have any Elvis impersonators. Check for yourself.

What’s fear worth? Is it a minimum-wage job? Forty-hour week or twenty-four hours a day? Benefits? Seniority pay as people grow older, weaker, and less able to defend themselves? You see the actuarial difficulty. Accounting is a more difficult trade than you might think.

The white guy beaten to death 100 yards from my door last year – they never caught the killers, but – what you reckon, Johnny? Do you figure it was white Presbyterian women from the old-ladies’ home? That’s my guess. That’s who usually does it. Anyway, you can send me $540 for the Sig 9mm pistol I bought after blacks started moving into the neighborhood and crime went up. And ammo, carry permit, Hydra-Shock rounds.

Now, millions of honest blacks might write and say, “Fred, we aren’t criminals. Why should we pay for what other blacks do?” Splendid question. But of course whites say, “We don’t have any slaves. Why should we pay for what some other whites did?” If it is a reasonable question for blacks to ask, as indeed it is, why isn’t it a reasonable question for whites to ask?

But while you are in a mood to pay up, Johnny, let me introduce a useful concept: Civilizational rent. You’ll like this. It’s such a good idea.

A culture is essentially software. No? Sure, there are physical embodiments: positron-emission scanners, high-bypass turbofans, radar with Doppler beam-sharpening. Yet basically a culture is a body of knowledge, like Microsoft Word. (All right, throw in values. But I don’t want to make this too difficult.)

White guys invented these things at considerable cost. We had to. Europe doesn’t have much low-hanging fruit, and it gets cold in the north. So generations of people that I’m sure you’re familiar with – Newton, Leibniz, Galois, Gauss, Carnot, Dirac – did work that led to all kinds of useful . . . you know . . stuff.

Western civilization, it’s called.

As a result of slavery, you have been using our civilization without a license. (I know: You’re having trouble with the idea of implied retroactive acceptance of a license I invented five minutes ago. Microsoft would grasp it in a heartbeat. Anyway, I’m writing the column.)

Further, you’ve been using it for a long time, Johnny. Air-conditioning. Roads. Writing. The wheel. Complicated stuff like that. Medicine. Tractors. Shoes. Houses. I’ve spent time in Africa, where people live in stick things that look as if a Cub Scout had built a campfire and forgotten to light it. You’re getting a deal here, Johnny.

I don’t wish stick houses on anyone. I’m glad you have the benefits of electricity, clothes, and daytime TV. I’d love to see blacks study, earn degrees on their merits, prosper. Think of the trouble it would save. But – as suggested by your manly desire to pay reparations -- you owe us licensing fees. Granted, it’s hard to set a price on a culture. But if Microsoft Office goes for $250 at fire-sale prices, I guess a whole civilization is cheap at $100K a copy.

I believe we can do business, Johnny. I hope so. I can use the money.

I for one am in favor of Slave Reparations 100%

I think people should get a million dollars for every day they were a slave, if they were never a slave they should STFU already.

Indeed, reparations are bad.


You do know Fred is an expat right?



Last edited by [Labret] at Jan 29 2004, 01:06 PM

You hear that you ungrateful niggers, Carrie says you should be grateful we rescued you from that hell hole called Africa. Never you mind Jim Crow and slavery, just be glad you are not still in your homeland. Slavery was redemption.

Cultural level, stuck at. ahahahahaah there is nothing quite as tasty as a big cup of ethnocentrism in the morning.

So tell me more about this "cultural level" theory. One can actually rank cultures on a scale? And some are better than others?[/b][/quote]
Yes, you simple-minded jackass, cultural relativism is goat shit.

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?a...eb685fa98031300

You should move to Zimbabwe when you expatriate. In fact, I will personally chip in to help you move there.

Yes, he moved to Mexico -- he was tired of fighting idiotic leftards like you.

Hehehe - you try SO hard, but you keep falling short in your attempts to decide what I've done in my life. :P

What I wanted my life to end up like has changed constantly. Here are just a small handful of things I "wanted" through the years:

There was a time I wanted to be a veterinarian. I was 10. Then I almost passed out when they gave my dog a shot (and I still can't watch my pets or my kid get shots....).

I wanted to become a psychologist. I was 17. But then found out I had to take 2 years of English, Math, Biology, etc. and I didn't feel like wasting 2 years of my life learning things I had no intention of ever using again (based on my math skills, I probably should have rethought that. :P )

I wanted to have 4 kids, be a housewife and live in a big house. I was 21. Then I realized how bored I was sitting at home all day with nothing to do but clean, cook and basically babysit.

I wanted to be a big wig in a major corporation. I was 30. Then I realized how many people I was going to have to screw over, how many 70 hour weeks I was going to have to give them and how fast my job (or any job) could be eliminated.

I wanted to work at home and live in a small cabin in the woods and basically spend my time doing whatever I wanted to do. I was 37. In fact, I bought a 4WD when I was living in the suburbs and everyone thought I was nuts - I told them I had every intention of moving where I'd need 4WD.....and I did. :awinky:

So....yep, I'm doing EXACTLY what I want to do at this point in my life. Am I doing what I wanted to do previously? Of course not and thank goodness! Am I doing what I might want to do in 5-10 years? I hope not! I want to keep changing and doing new things. :)

I have no doubt that you're at a point in your education where you have "show and tell" and I'd be more than happy to be yours. Just tell me when and where. :)

What was it you said about explanations?

He lost to the lefties?

Labret I'd love to see you sit down with a certain gentleman named Ken Hamblin and have one of your intellectual discussions. I've met him - hell I even gave him a rose in front of hundreds of people live on national radio.

Also before you leave I'd love for you to have a chat with another certain gentleman named Alan Keyes. Alas, I haven't met Mr. Keyes myself, but I would certainly love to.

Either one of those two men would tell you point blank that yes, blacks are far better off today here in America than they are in Africa.
And yes, both of these men are black.

If the blacks in this country are so hungry for a leader, a role model, or even a "brothah" who can speak up and have their issues heard in seconds and taken seriously - then they need to be looking towards either of these two men, not Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.

Black conservatives (Uncle Toms as most blacks would call them) will not bite the hand that feeds.

Black conservatives ahahahaah thats almost as good as a Jew Klansman.

I've said they were funny as heck watching you flounder around trying to make them. :)

You asked a question and I answered it, hehehe. :P Here's a little bit of free education for you - there's a big difference between answering a question and us making a simple comment about you and you spending pages trying to explain how we're wrong. :awinky:

Like I said, you only got a small handful in my answer - which apparently fed you quite well. You're so easy. B)

What hand is feeding them, Labret?
They're both educated, successful men. The only hand feeding them is their own.
Your logic works when applied to poor ghetto blacks living on welfare who actually have a hand that feeds them... but sorry, these two men don't fit *your* stereotypes.

Black conservatives (Uncle Toms as most blacks would call them) will not bite the hand that feeds.

Black conservatives ahahahaah thats almost as good as a Jew Klansman.[/b][/quote]
As opposed to black liberals, who do bite the hand that feeds them (the Democrats)??? Blacks vote in a giant 90+% block for Democrats.

Face it, intelligent blacks like professors Williams and Keyes know life is better in the United States than Africa.

And then there is Thomas Sowell, who would crush you so heavily in a debate about cultural relativity that if you had any shame you'd off yourself. Your insignificant bablings are nothing next to the wisdom of Sowell.

And then there is D'Souza (he's black too) -- http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1639:

So if the intelligent negro votes Republican, does that mean the 90% that vote Dem are stupid negro?

You are prepared to say the vast majority of blacks in America are stupid?

Like you can understand either of them. You have been reduced to spending an hour Googling in order to quote someone else. Impressive.

Really.



Last edited by [Labret] at Jan 29 2004, 01:47 PM

Huzzah! *salute*

One small step for man, one giant leap to conclusion for Labret.

If you are white.



Last edited by [Labret] at Jan 29 2004, 01:52 PM

Of course not. Many in that 90% are opportunists -- selling out to the Democrats for a free ride.

Of course, to answer your question directly:

If blacks and whites are equal, why is there "affirmative action" at all?

"you're" -- nevermind you edited it.

So why aren't blacks fleeing the US to live the good life in Africa?

I am still trying to figure out if you're stoned or just stupid.



Last edited by Buff at Jan 29 2004, 03:55 PM

uhhh - because their starving to death where they live?

skippy needs to understand what cultural relativism is...

Cultural relativism holds that "good" means what is "socially approved" by the majority in a given culture. Infanticide, for example, isn't good or bad objectively; rather it's good in a society that approves of it, but bad in one that disapproves of it.

the simple definition...

Even google got it right...

disagreeing with the moral ethos of a culture and leaving it is not a refutation of cultural relativism - in anyway conceivable.

Ethics for Dummies...

best of luck -
aeon

Be sure and tell that to the Latinos, Indians and Asians who are flocking here in droves and remember to also tell the "African Americans" who aren't going back to Africa. They seem to be confused and want to live here. :P

uhhh - because their starving to death where they live?

skippy needs to understand what cultural relativism is...

Cultural relativism holds that "good" means what is "socially approved" by the majority in a given culture. Infanticide, for example, isn't good or bad objectively; rather it's good in a society that approves of it, but bad in one that disapproves of it.

the simple definition...

Even google got it right...

disagreeing with the moral ethos of a culture and leaving it is not a refutation of cultural relativism - in anyway conceivable.

Ethics for Dummies...

best of luck -
aeon[/b][/quote]
Try this paragraph again:

D'Souza challenges one of the central premises of today's intelligentsia: The equality of all cultures. "If one begins with the multicultural premise that all cultures are equal, then the world as it is makes very little sense," he says. Some cultures have completely outperformed others in providing the things that all people seek -- health, food, housing, security and the amenities of life.

European colonialism destroyed Africa. What exactly is there to flee to? They got fucked in Africa, they got fucked in the United States. Damned if they do, damned if they dont.

Be sure and tell that to the Latinos, Indians and Asians who are flocking here in droves and remember to also tell the "African Americans" who aren't going back to Africa. They seem to be confused and want to live here. :P[/b][/quote]
Peaches, I am sure Lebron James and Michael Jordan have estates in Zimbabwe!

European colonialism destroyed Africa. What exactly is there to flee to? They got fucked in Africa, they got fucked in the United States. Damned if they do, damned if they dont.[/b][/quote]
Really? How did Europeans colonize Africa if Africa was already a superior culture?

How stupid are you on a scale of 1-10, 1 being Einstein, 5 being a rock, and 10 being your parents for breeding?

Funny how he uses things that are completely relative to make his point.

What is easier (or better for that matter), eating berries off a bush and a fish out of the river, or driving my SUV to the grocery store?

Its all relative. And thats the point.

Cultural relativism and multi-culturalism are two different issues - and I read the paragraph - thorougly - his assertion that immigration in any way invalidates the ethical position of cultural relativism is patently absurd. He would be laughed out of any APA/RPA meeting immediately.

Cultural relativism is an incredibly weak ethical position but his means of "refutation" are foolish & amateur at best.

best of luck -
aeon

Funny how he uses things that are completely relative to make his point.

What is easier (or better for that matter), eating berries off a bush and a fish out of the river, or driving my SUV to the grocery store?

Its all relative. And thats the point.[/b][/quote]
He's talking about things like mass starvation if there's a drought (Africa) vs paying farmers not to grow certain crops to prop up the prices, because we have such a superabundance of food (The United States).

Oh, but mass death and disease is part of their equal culture, and if it weren't for having flies buzzing around their genitalia during intercourse, some of their best cuneiform literature would never have been drawn in the mud with a stick?

Is that relative, you fucking idiot?

Who the fuck said it was superior? Not superior, different. It worked for them for a couple hundred thousand years. Yeah, those god damn hunter gatherers really stood a chance. Their culture did not need to develop along the same lines as the Europeans, the Chinese, the Native Americans, etc etc. Everyone evolves to fill their niche.

For example, you fill the fat ignorant prostitute fucker niche quite well.



Last edited by [Labret] at Jan 29 2004, 02:11 PM

All a result of colonialization.

Mass death and disease are cultural attributes? Are you that fucking stupid?



Last edited by [Labret] at Jan 29 2004, 02:13 PM

Funny how he uses things that are completely relative to make his point.

What is easier (or better for that matter), eating berries off a bush and a fish out of the river, or driving my SUV to the grocery store?

Its all relative. And thats the point.[/b][/quote]
That's funny, I didn't see him mention anything about SUVs.
I also didn't see him talk about anything relative, but rather the widely accepted basics of living.

I'm sure that you, Labret, would rather see all blacks still living in these types of conditions:
http://www.abc.net.au/message/blacka...ph/img/hut.jpg
It probably fits in perfectly with your "I am superior" attitude.
Quite frankly, I doubt there are any blacks in America who would rather live in a bug-infested, windy hut in the middle of the mud.
Amazingly enough that there IS mud, even... at least that means there's water.

Immigration is not a barometer of cultural superiority?

Why aren't the rich in America fighting to win a place in jail, instead of hiring expensive lawyers to keep them out of jail, since it's all relative and jail is not inferior to being a billionaire CEO?

All a result of colonialization.

Mass death and disease are cultural attributes? Are you that fucking stupid?[/b][/quote]
Mass death and disease is part of colonization?

I think you answered Buff's question quite nicely right there. You ARE an idiot.

Look at all the human beings flocking back to live the hunter/gatherer lifestyle!

The half-wit brainwashed diptshit uneducated leftard niche is already overflowing, but for some reason you're staying in it.

You do realize that Africa is a large continent and has environments ranging from desert to jungle right?

All a result of colonialization.

Mass death and disease are cultural attributes? Are you that fucking stupid?[/b][/quote]
Mass starvation is cultural. Seems to occur in Africa a lot, but not in the US. One would think that maybe it's simply geographically, until one looks at Zimbabwe. Mugabe throws out the white farmers and the people start starving to death again.

Please move there!

Mass death and disease is part of colonization?

I think you answered Buff's question quite nicely right there. You ARE an idiot.[/b][/quote]

Yes you ignorant fuck.

Lets use an example that hits a little closer to home.

The Native Americans were largerly hunter gatherers. When they were forced into sedentary lifestyles (farmers) on land they were not native to, they had no idea what the fuck was going on. As a result there was a lot of starvation and disease. It became a matter of conform or die. And in the process a vast majority of them did. They still have not recovered in a lot of areas.

See the connection yet dumbfuck?



Last edited by [Labret] at Jan 29 2004, 02:29 PM

Very interesting article in NG a few months ago regarding this. Seems almost all the farms have gone to seed after they were taken from the whites and given to the blacks and the blacks are trying to hire to the whites to come back and work for them and get the farms to produce again. It wasn't the blacks fault - they had ZERO experience in farming land. Sad. :(