If you accepted it, even with 40 years studies credit to his work

Is it possible that many others have?

While there is much critical thinking involved how much "gladhanding and backslapping" may go on? Every coin has 3 sides


and one of my favorite sayings to quote

"Lies, damn lies and statistics"

If you think for one minute that "facts" aren't created in academia, you're kidding yourself. My brother just left his post doctorate "position" (I put that in quotes because it only paid $35K a year and HE was responsible for the almost 100 hours he put into filling out the paperwork for his grant request which paid that $35K) at Duke in genetics because of what he saw once he reached the "lofty levels". And he was dealing with MEDICAL studies which were fudged. If you think the same can't be done by a teacher dealing with prison populations, you truly aren't as smart as you think you are. Again, I would never trust ONE PERSON as a source for any information. :(

BTW, no, I don't have a college degree (went two years but then got married and became a housewife) but I'm the ONLY one in my family for 4 generations who doesn't have a degree and most have masters and/or PhD's. I've been around "educated" people all my life and I can assure you, there's a lot to be said for plain common sense and not everyone who's formally educated, has it. :awinky:[/b][/quote]
Peaches, :inlove:

of course!

why include 20,000,000 DEAD in the statistics,
they were only 10% of the population, but after death they are not incarcerated no more
;-)))

Poor Labret....watching him spanking himself is fun
;-)))

you'd be better off talking about Communist China and I am less familiar about...

God its like beating my head against a fucking wall. Listen, we are all well aware how statistics are manipulated and created, in fact, we are required to take courses in statistics and methods of social research in order to learn to how to deal with such matters. Trust me, I am sure my knowledge of means of gathering and manipulating data sets is far above average and as a result I know which statistics I can accept and which ones I should be suspect.

I will say this one more time. Checks and fucking balances. I know you probably like to think its just a bunch of yes men standing around, circle jerking each other and making shit up without a care in the world, but your accusation that "facts" are just "created" in academia is so utterly absurd that I almost want to disregard your post and not respond. Evidently nothing I have said has sunk in. Academia works in such a way that one CANNOT just make shit up.

For example, I am working on my masters (one step before phd). In May, god willing, I will be standing before 3 phds who have all read my thesis. They are going to proceed to tear me a new asshole if they see any problem at all, and they will force me to defend every single statement I make in my thesis. If I was dumb enough to make something up, it will be caught, and it will destroy me academically.

Just look at academia as a big message board of pissers. Would anyone on here be allowed to make something up and not get called on it by someone else on here? Very very doubtful.



Last edited by [Labret] at Dec 2 2003, 07:34 AM

Trust me, I am sure my knowledge of means of gathering and manipulating data sets is far above average and as a result I know which statistics I can accept and which ones I should be suspect.
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Darling, I don't trust you.

You haven't passed the test to Professor Lukin,
Leningrad Polytechnical Institute,
the BIGGEST ANTISEMITE ON THE FACULTY,
who had hard on for me since the day one.

I went thru it 3 times before I passed,
you do NOT know statistics better than me, and I still rememebr his name 29 years post factum.

And we should trust Serge on stats? Fuck you, I sent clicks to your programs. Everyone knows better.

Labret,

Are you going to avoid my question??

Really, I am curious what country you would choose to move to?

Academia works in such a way that one CANNOT just make shit up.
************************************************** ********

My cousin is a Professor of the math in Fortaleze, Brazil
Sorbone, France
(do search for Lev Birbrair on the net)
and do you want me to tell you and open your eyes about Academia Politics and how that world REALLY works???

You are THE LAST PERSON I expected to be being NAIVE.

Academia CANNOT just make shit up as much as...
Government, President, CIA, FBI, etc, etc, etc...

I am honestly SORRY if I burst the babble of your illusions...
;-(((

And we should trust Serge on stats? Fuck you, I sent clicks to your programs. Everyone knows better.[/b][/quote]
you SHOULD,
Dean is here, and so are lots of other millionairs who sent me clikcs and who would attest that the total returns they got from Sergescash was BETTER than any other sources they sent traffic to.
MY knowledge of statistics let me fine tuned MY program to be ONE nothc better than the rest,
which ultimately made me all those money I made...

Ireland first, Israel last
ask me, I am more familiar with his plans
;_)))

Fuck me, its already been answered.

Dont know. I leave sometime this summer. Planning on starting in Ireland and working my way east and south. Have an acquaintance that is planning a Russia expedition shortly so I plan on hopefully checking that out as well. What Forest says about the Ukraine I find very interesting.

lots of souls tried fucking me...where are they?

LOL!! When my brother did his dissertation for his doctorate, he was sweating bullets before he presented it. He basically disappeared for 3 months to write it. He said he went before whatever it is you go before (this was several years ago, I forget what it's called. If you're really interested, I can dig through old emails and tell you), they asked him just a couple of questions, and that was it! :P He was amazed at how little care they seemed to pay attention to it. This was at the University of Minnesota, not Duke, BTW.

Obviously not everything which is taught in schools (any school) is falsified, fudged, created etc. I never said that. But there ARE professors who will spew incorrect information, usually because they themselves think it's 100% correct. Even my own son challenged a professor in college and the professor was proven wrong - it happens. B)

Fuck me, its already been answered.

Dont know. I leave sometime this summer. Planning on starting in Ireland and working my way east and south. Have an acquaintance that is planning a Russia expedition shortly so I plan on hopefully checking that out as well. What Forest says about the Ukraine I find very interesting.[/b][/quote]
Ah, I remember you saying that now.

But, it sounds more like you are starting a trek in Ireland only to continue on.


oh, thanks serge. ;-))

Guess where conservative (logic) policy kicked in?

http://www.detroithardcore.com/prison1.jpg

No, there isnt a problem.

http://www.detroithardcore.com/prison2.jpg

http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking/...carceration.pdf

Uh oh, Go get'em Serge! They quote their sources for their stats, I suggest you unleash a Cotac style beatdown.



Last edited by [Labret] at Dec 2 2003, 07:51 AM

Labret, for YOUR sake,
live in your world.

Academia politics is a dirty business...
when tenure is at stake,
they are affraid blowing the "olygarchy",
'cuz the secret ballot for the next opening might be AGAINST YOU.

Welcome to the REAL Academia world, brought to you from the INSIDE.

if you need Irwin Shaw's point a view and not my cousin's,
read his book on the subject,
what you don't know about Academia won't hurt you
;-))

it will ONLY fuck up your life
;-)))

now looking at your own chart, do you wanna correct your previopus statement and do you see now WHERE you went wrong?

please spank yourself BEFORE others see what I see.
;-)))

you slow,
I'll do it for you:
Labret says:
"We now incarcerate more people per 100k of population than the Soviet Union did. "

1) I don't see the statistics of the Soviet Union

will you add to it and save humiliation of spanking by Serge like an average HighSchooler GFYer or do you want me to continue?

Pointless. I am not pursuing a career in academia, I have zero interest in helping or educating others en mass. I play the academia game for my own personal enjoyment and fulfillment.

And my comment was edited awhile ago slappy. Remember, I post and then edit. And even then, it was only edited due to uncertainty, not because I felt the statement was false.

So statement stands.

Opranoids..what should I do?

Show Labret his mistakes and be responcible for him failing his tests to Academia who compiled wrong
or leave him as is, with no clue, and pass the test to Professor with no clue with flying colors?

decissions, decissions....

and if I didn't anticipate that, would I post my previous post BEFORE I read yours?
;-)))

When did the first generation of "fatherless" kids hit teen/adulthood?

70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988)
85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992)

Is it possible to show Labret his mistakes?

You may show the errors but can/will Labret accept them?

When did the first generation of "fatherless" kids hit teen/adulthood?

70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988)
85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992)[/b][/quote]

Why dont you just say "niggers" and get it over with?

Serge, you are still operating under the assumption that the ROI in the "Soviet Union" per 100k was more than the United States. If you have the stats, post em please.

We still haven't covered what can be done to improve the situation with regards to incarceration rates?

You can point out a problem until you're blue in the face, but no good comes of that until you work for the solutions

So looking at the problem is basically academia jerking off until work begins on the solution

and is wasted effort if nothing positive comes from it

So where are the solutions?

As the old saying goes, you can bring a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Labret has no interest in learning anything from those he considers his "inferiors" or those he considers "inferior" to those he looks up to.

I consider myself lucky to have figured out years ago that you can learn something from EVERYONE including the most educated down to the illiterate. :)

OK, so I found a reason besides your "Conservatives have taken over" concept as to why the prison population has increased over the years and that's your response? :unsure: Brilliant.

That wasnt my point. I simply pointed out how conservative logic is shit. You all got on the prison problem.

First you have to ask me if I care about the prison crisis in this country. Go ahead, ask me.

So would you say that Reagan era conservative logic was a good solution?



Last edited by [Labret] at Dec 2 2003, 08:18 AM

WHICH STATS????

Stas given by Stalin?

REAL Stats which are guarded more than JFK murder files?

According to Stalin's stats, NOBODY was incarcerated in the USSR...because the Paradise on Earth has no social roots for Crime...

Is there is anything wrong with my stats? they confirm your point, don't they???

do you accept them?

I am affraid just the opposite! He wants to engage entire Oprano board in doing his homework!

I do it on GFY every day
;-)))

Pick me, pick me!! :bjump:

I would release all those who committed victimless drug crimes (and I include those who sell drugs - I don't consider people who make a conscious decision to buy drugs as "victims") and harsher punishments for those who rape and/or kill. And yes, my harsher punishments would help alleviate the prison population problems. :awinky:

WHICH STATS????

Stas given by Stalin?

REAL Stats which are guarded more than JFK murder files?

According to Stalin's stats, NOBODY was incarcerated in the USSR...because the Paradise on Earth has no social roots for Crime...

Is there is anything wrong with my stats? they confirm your point, don't they???

do you accept them?[/b][/quote]
I was just going to add something along these lines Serge. Anyone who can quote stats from the Soviet Union is WRONG
period
If they have actual stats taken at the time, they are being mislead, if they are attempting to compile stats from that time now they can have no basis in hard facts since the iron curtain was shut tight and records like that werent kept. This is not the WWII Nazi party of Berlin who documented everything, this was a system of Gov't meant to be idealic. They didn't accept that there could be any flaws. Watch the Movie Citizen X, it is a glaring example of how he Socialists of the USSR viewed their world.


spaz

What was the original subject here??

:P

I was just going to add something along these lines Serge. Anyone who can quote stats from the Soviet Union is WRONG
period
If they have actual stats taken at the time, they are being mislead, if they are attempting to compile stats from that time now they can have no basis in hard facts since the iron curtain was shut tight and records like that werent kept. This is not the WWII Nazi party of Berlin who documented everything, this was a system of Gov't meant to be idealic. They didn't accept that there could be any flaws. Watch the Movie Citizen X, it is a glaring example of how he Socialists of the USSR viewed their world.


spaz[/b][/quote]
yeap, all true!
and if Labret was a "rebel" he trys hard portraying himself on Oprano,
he'd be poking the questions to his professor..
WHICH stats this chart is based on??????????????????

but...one has to have a REAL backbone for that
;-)))

That wasnt my point. I simply pointed out how conservative logic is shit. You all got on the prison problem.

Fist you have to ask me if I care about the prison crisis in this country. Go ahead, ask me.

So would you say that Reagan era conservative logic was a good solution?[/b][/quote]
Admittedly I need more information about "Reagan era conservative logic" leading to record imprisonment rates before commenting on it.
Something I never spent time studying


On the other hand is all the effort spent on analyzing and studying this data wasted unless something positive comes from it

Did the professor who spent 40 years of his life working in this field waste his life if his work can't make a change?


I'm still stuck on easy to point the finger, not as easy to work toward a solution

On some level I have an issue with this much energy going into studies without solutions coming from it

Now why do I sound like the liberal :D

Pick me, pick me!! :bjump:

I would release all those who committed victimless drug crimes (and I include those who sell drugs - I don't consider people who make a conscious decision to buy drugs as "victims") and harsher punishments for those who rape and/or kill. And yes, my harsher punishments would help alleviate the prison population problems. :awinky:[/b][/quote]
:okthumb: :okthumb:

and here is my FAVORITE OFFICIAL USSR STATS:

99.99% of the eligable voters voted for the members of the...Communist Party!

how do you like those, Labret?

Rebel? Me thinks you got some sick sexual fantasies about me riding in on a Harley and grunge fucking you.

I am no rebel.

This all reminds me of what Adorno said, and only further proves my point.
Both of which I am accused of, as well as a "rebel".

bleat motherfuckers bleeeeaaaat

a friendly little observation for Labret, or anyone that wants to throw contradictory ideas around without strong facts to back them up..........
"if you stir the shit on Oprano, ya better be ready for the stink."


spaz