LadyMischief - With all due respect I strongly disagree

By your logic someone with the perspective that mass murder is good and should be committed is just different and not wrong
(I could have used a lot of different examples so please don't get hung up on the mass murder thing - fill in any deplorable act)

LadyMischief - With all due respect I strongly disagree

By your logic someone with the perspective that mass murder is good and should be committed is just different and not wrong
(I could have used a lot of different examples so please don't get hung up on the mass murder thing - fill in any deplorable act)[/b][/quote]
Thinking a wife and kids are a drag is not deplorable though.

Beating your wife is deplorable. Having kids you don't pay attention to is deplorable.

Not wanting to have either is not.

they had a thread on gfy a while back asking which threads you'd read just because of who started it. labret made my short list.

I'm sure Vick's problem is not with the opinions themselves, but rather opinons that are laughable and sad at the same time, yet stated as fact, not opinion.

Indeed. Entertainment takes many forms...

LadyMischief - With all due respect I strongly disagree

By your logic someone with the perspective that mass murder is good and should be committed is just different and not wrong
(I could have used a lot of different examples so please don't get hung up on the mass murder thing - fill in any deplorable act)[/b][/quote]
But to those people, it may not be wrong. Of course, by societal standards it isn't. He is still entitled to his opinion though. It's how he acts on them that defines appropriateness.

Thinking a wife and kids are a drag is not deplorable though.

Beating your wife is deplorable. Having kids you don't pay attention to is deplorable.

Not wanting to have either is not.[/b][/quote]
I actually have more respect for someone who says they do not want children because they are not willing or fitted to being a parent than those who have kids only to realize that this is the case after the fact.

Obviously, he has never become aquainted with Colin... :moon:

Ok this is going to start getting a little deep (in more ways than one)


LadyMischief - by your definition, is it then ok if I come to your home and rob you of everything you have, all that you value if I don't think that's wrong?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=a...appropriateness - If I think it's appropriate and not wrong then it's ok?

Basically you're saying there is no right and wrong


It wasn't a matter of saying one didn't want children, it is equating children with having leukemia along with other statements


Thanks Diamond Jim, you succinctly explained my position

I said holding an opinion is not wrong.. Apparently you missed the part where I said it's what you DO about it that makes all the difference? I don't have to agree with what people think, but what they do is the real defining factor, isn't it? :)

And I should mention, maybe it is his opinion that children are equivalent to having a serious disease. That's his RIGHT to hold that opinion, and even to share it, just as it is our right to disagree with it. If he went around killing children, THAT would be another matter altogether, see what I mean?

Reading comprehension classes are in order...

First of all, there must be sufficient wheat IN the chaff to make separating it worthwhile. Upon occasion I have seen some signs of intelligent life in his posts. However, most are simply sanctimious "hipper than thou" (or smarter than thou, or more educated that thou, or I am more "all that" than thou). It didn't take long reading his drivel on GFY to learn that it just wasn't worth it. He, like a couple of others, has shown me nothing different over here.

As far as the whole "different perspective on things" goes, I agree with that up to a point. However, it doesn't apply here. He didn't say "I don't want a wife and kids because I wouldn't treat them right." He described children as a cancer that no one really wants. Now, you can sugar coat that all you want, but operating under the non-academic (but time tested) "it looks like shit and it smells like shit" method, I, for one, need no greater empirical proof that it is, in fact, fecal matter.

Regarding the issue that started the thread off - I don't care much to see ANY flag (except those that have taken up arms against the United States and its constitution) burned. Unlike Vick, I don't think has avatar is an attempt to make any kind of statement whatsoever. I think it’s a blatant attempt to annoy people, pure and simple - kind of a "spitball on the blackboard while the teacher is writing on it" action.

The simple fact of the matter is, for all his contempt for the "sheep" (regular folks) that he expresses, on the boards he plays such a stereotypical example of the elitist embittered academic that he probably couldn't get a role in a sitcom on the Fox network.

Labret you're right in a way, but you're also very far-off from the truth.
It *can* be what you've said above. And some days it feels like it. But everything is a choice and no one has to settle for a mediocre job or saddle themselves with credit card debt or even live in a smothering suburban hellhole.

The family thing, though - really, what is the use of everything you have when you've no one to share it with? No one to pass on your knowledge to?

I've been there. Where you are, and where I am. The hellhole that you think family life is. I've been single, planning on pretty much being a student for the rest of my life. Alone and disdainful.

I've been stuck in a hellhole with a person who thought the best he could do was to get a supervisory position at the dusty box he worked at. We riddled ourselves with debt that it took me 10 years to get rid of.

And now I'm here - no debt whatsoever. My home is paid for. My minivan is paid for. The only bills I have are for utilities and food. Two kids and another on the way. A husband who is devoted to me, and I to him - even though there are times when we could kill each other. :)

And I tell you with all honesty and the experience of what you are now... this is better. So much better. One day you'll wake up and you'll realize that. All of the money in the world, all of the knowledge in the world... it's nothing when you're alone and lonely.

Maybe when you leave and you're not so focused on finishing your degree it will just hit you. Unexpected and so strong it will totally rip you off of your feet.
I just hope that when it does, you'll embrace it - and her. For your own sake.

No one wants to be old and alone, no matter how strong they think they are.

Where does he compare children to cancer?

He expresses a preference..and makes no comparison.

As TGD says..he may be an asshole but hes expressing an opinion ( with cold eloquence ) too..whats the problem?

In any case, its a wind up ...and it worked. :popcorn:

"Children are suicide. People only make the best of a bad situation. NOBODY wants children, you get stuck with them. Like lukemia."

Thank you Peaches..my mistake ! :unsure:

I am suffering from post Rugby World Cup elation.


Still, he is entitled to his opinion and is far from uneducated...and Ive seen far more tasteless comments and avatars here that did not attract this much attention.

It gets a bit boring when then the regular posters spout the same sanctimonious crap , its a bit like the amp "owned" bollocks on GFY..so old.

Cant you guys toy with them a bit more and be more cruel ?

We lurkers like to be entertained..thats why we come, thats why we join the progs that are advertised here.

I love lurkers....I just dont know how to cook em!

I love lurkers....I just dont know how to cook em![/b][/quote]
You're a southern boy - you fry 'em! B)

People that join programs for no better reason than they like the piss on the board the program's advertising on are not just lurkers...
They're lemmings.

and of course "toying" with is so much more entertaining and enlightening than viable discussions and discourse regarding interesting matters such as all facets of business, art, history, fine dining, travel, wine, movies, music, literature, world events or even eventful happenings in our lives

Well I guess it does get more page views :awinky:


I still go with the statement [Labret] needs a Mommy, someone to love him and help him work though his cynical views which may come from deep seated issues

and no he is not intelligent or wise and may never be, at best a little educated perhaps and a little education can be a dangerous thing

Yes I did miss where you stated that

Grogran was totally annoying. Now Labret ... I'm shocked he can cause this many posts in a thread. I neither like nor dislike him.

Probably that is worse than with Grogan ... apathy, I didn't pay any attention to him one way or another, I just don't fucking care. All this thread has done was let me know he exists, and now that I know that .. guess what? Yup, still don't care!

:zzz:

Labret you're right in a way, but you're also very far-off from the truth.
It *can* be what you've said above. And some days it feels like it. But everything is a choice and no one has to settle for a mediocre job or saddle themselves with credit card debt or even live in a smothering suburban hellhole.

The family thing, though - really, what is the use of everything you have when you've no one to share it with? No one to pass on your knowledge to?

I've been there. Where you are, and where I am. The hellhole that you think family life is. I've been single, planning on pretty much being a student for the rest of my life. Alone and disdainful.

I've been stuck in a hellhole with a person who thought the best he could do was to get a supervisory position at the dusty box he worked at. We riddled ourselves with debt that it took me 10 years to get rid of.

And now I'm here - no debt whatsoever. My home is paid for. My minivan is paid for. The only bills I have are for utilities and food. Two kids and another on the way. A husband who is devoted to me, and I to him - even though there are times when we could kill each other. :)

And I tell you with all honesty and the experience of what you are now... this is better. So much better. One day you'll wake up and you'll realize that. All of the money in the world, all of the knowledge in the world... it's nothing when you're alone and lonely.

Maybe when you leave and you're not so focused on finishing your degree it will just hit you. Unexpected and so strong it will totally rip you off of your feet.
I just hope that when it does, you'll embrace it - and her. For your own sake.

No one wants to be old and alone, no matter how strong they think they are.[/b][/quote]

Alone? Just because I do not want a wife and kids? I have no aversion to relationships, in fact, I have a problem with getting myself into them. In the last 10 years I have had two. One that lasted 6 years and one that lasted 3 years. Unlike most people though, the end result of relationships (for me) are not children or marriage.

I learn from others mistakes. In a country with a 50% divorce rate and child neglect at an all time high, many many people should not be married, and even more of them should not have children. Everyone knows at least a few people that should not have children but sadly, do. So I am doing my part for humanity. I will not unleash upon the world another fat stupid lazy American. I should be given an award for that.

I have met very very few men my age who are happily married. Their lives are dull and meaningless. Marriage and kids and spending your life subservient to them in order to be perceived as a "good man", is a pitfall that I will avoid.

Thank you for your concern, but I will not die "alone". Just as I am not alone now.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 23 2003, 09:53 PM

People that join programs for no better reason than they like the piss on the board the program's advertising on are not just lurkers...
They're lemmings. .."


LOL Did I miss something here?

Piss = entertainment = visitors = adviews etc etc

Isnt that the business model ?

Lemmings die !..Im still here despite Gonzos culinary fantasies.

I said holding an opinion is not wrong.. Apparently you missed the part where I said it's what you DO about it that makes all the difference? I don't have to agree with what people think, but what they do is the real defining factor, isn't it? :)[/b][/quote]
Actually LM ... no its not the defining factor.

I don't want children either - I share a lot of the same views on the amount of children on this planet as Labret does ...

I think that people should stop having children for the sake of it ...

I think parents should stop behaving like they have achieved something special by giving birth & should stop expecting to be congratulated because they buy nappies & take kids to soccer practice when it was their choice to put penis in vagina in the first place ...

I think that we should stop teaching children to want to grow up and have more children & should spend more time teaching them how to live a happy & fulfilling life themselves before breeding ...

I think that A LOT of children are accidents and that those parents do their best to pretend that its what they wanted out of life all along and then later in life become resentful towards their children for preventing them from achieving their goals ...

I think a lot of people become parents to make up for their own failures & end up creating children who are even more fucked up than they are ...

These are my opinions and they definately aren't fact - i can even think of opposing arguments to my own opinions!!

The defining factor is that Labret has actively gone out of his way to make sweeping blanket statements that he knows will offend the recipient, and then sits back rubbing his hands with glee while refusing to give any reasoning for his opinions ... obviously Labret is deliberately trying to make people angry, so what are you expecting from those whose emotions he is stirring? Kisses & hugs?!

Yes, he has a right to do all of the above and I couldn't give a fuck whether he continues or not - but let him defend himself, don't do it on his behalf by arguing his points for him, they are your interpretations and do nothing to give him any credit! Let him come back into the carnage he has caused & show us all his dazzling intelligence ... we are all eagerly awaiting and he might find he could even learn something from the 'old farts' around here ;-)

Or, if this is all too much trouble Labret ... there's always that other board!!!

:biglaugh:

See what having my 3 for the weekend does? :nyanya:

Labret ... I am going to eat my words ...

You just came to the party with some points & I really like your most recent post :wnw:


Carrie ...

Thanks, but I'll pass on your OPINION of what is BETTER and stick with my life how it is right now - far from alone and far from lonely :okthumb: Family life ISN'T for everybody, no matter how perfect it is for you :awinky:

See what having my 3 for the weekend does? :nyanya:[/b][/quote]
LOL

That and the 2 year old i spent all day saturday with! :nyanya:

Your kids are perfect, they have a home I can send them to at the end of the weekend :biglaugh:

So did you enjoy the rugby ladies? ;-))))

Nick...rack off :grrr:

hehehehhehe :-)

How appropriate...this just arrived in my email. :nyanya:

The winning of the William Webb Ellis (aka Bill) trophy this weekend was England's first world championship since 1966's Soccer World Cup.

Since then Australia has won.........

2 Rugby World Cups (91 & 99)

3 Cricket World Cups (87, 99, 2003)

7 Davis Cups (1966, 67, 73,77,83,86,99) (Not to mention an Englishman hasnt won Wimbleton for how long ?)

Americas Cup 1983

Crickets Ashes held since 1989 and for 25 of the last 37 years

Rugby Leagues Ashes held since 1973

:purpdance: :bjump: :purpdance: :bjump: :purpdance:

feck!!!!! ;-))))

I totally agree with this statement
Both of my boys were not planned. So i guess that makes them 'accidents' by some peoples standards. I can say with all honesty that for me, both were happy accidents if accidents at all. & as for being resentful towards children later in life? I cannot comprehend such a thing. There are a lot of people that one could be resentful towards for an unhappy life, but ones own children.............to quote Princess Bride
"INCONCEIVABLE!!"
hahaha spaz<-------------- living proof that this argument is WRONG, at least as far as it applies to me. I was the most fucked up person I knew when my first son was born. I graduated HS, barely, got out of the USMC, and was digging ditches for a living (anyone remember the old saying 'things could be worse. I could be diging ditches for a living.'? well I was. For $4.35 an hour this was 14 years ago). I was uneducated, ignorant, self centered and all in all a complete waste of flesh. waiting to die in an industrial accident or something. The moment my first son was born everything changed. It was a flash. I openly weeped in public. It was overwhelming, that feeling I felt. For the first time in my entire stinking life I knew what responsibility was. It changed me for the better. Did I g on to collegeand better my education? Nope, hard reality was I wouldnt have been able to afford it before my son was born, that certainly didnt change after I had him. But, in a flash I decided that this child would NOT share the same fate as his father. And thus far, he has had the success in school that I never had. And grades are extremely important in this house. I credit my having kids with the successes I have had since his birth because it is the drive I have to provide better for my family that happily inspires me to achieve more. That ditch digger has his days of a 6 firgure income. I dont have that now, but I and my wife (whom I have been married to going on 17 years) are hard at work trying to achieve it again. Not all that easy to do when your only a couple of high school grads surrounded by the 'best & brightest' of their generations, but we dont do so bad.
Kids are not for everyone. Everyone has heard the wicked stepmother routine, or the stoies of people who abuse their kids. If someone truely feels that having children is not for them, then I for one respect that, even if I am unable, due to the positive influences it has had in my life, to understand their descision. But referring to children as a cancer like Labret did. is wrong. I am not angered by what he said, not at all, but I have always viewed anyone whose sole intent is to offend to be an intellectual inferior to myself. & I am a lowly high school grad of the American public school system. Intelligent conversation is meant to enlighten, not anger. Ican passionately debate my point of view without trying to offend the person who disagrees with me. Offending doesnt show intellect, IT shows laziness.


spaz <-----------proud to be a fat lazy American

CJ you're right, it's my opinion. I've been on both sides though. It's WAY different when it's your own kids. :)

I never wanted kids. Hated them. My nickname for them was "small stupid humans". Ooh, what brats they all were. Babies were cute - as long as you could give them back, LOL. I was never going to have one, let alone three.

And then one day it all changed. Maybe it was just Fate looking over my shoulder and keeping me from getting stuck in that first hellhole I was talking about and protecting me until things were right. I dunno.
But it all just changed. It was weird.

interesting...I wrote about the same thing without reading your post...

There is an old Jewish saying:
if 2 people without talking to each other, say to the third one that he is drunk-
the third one should go to bed and sleep
;-)))

yeah....very sad indeed....and Drav, I am with you on this one.

Complete indifference is all Labret could squeeze out of me.

we ALL are the subjects of our environment and I personally command you for knowing your limitations as a human being and understanding that
"fat stupid lazy Am" is ALL you are capable of bringing into this world...

bravo! at least you are not self indulgent as grogan
;-)))

3 posts all in a row about little ol indifferent me.

You goofy bastard, who are you kidding?

Anywho, I wake up and it is still the same boo hoo'ing that was going on when I went to bed. Its funny, I am still overwhelmingly labeled an unintelligent fool by the Oprano short bus riders association, yet nobody will explain precisely why.

Because I dont like Americans? Because I will call a spade a spade? My dislike for marriage and children? Because my doormat is an Israeli flag?

I ask for debate and all I get is crying. This is all the Oprano literati could come up with? Oprano has really let me down.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 24 2003, 04:39 AM