there are a few simple facts about hormone therapy, HGH, DHEA, precursors etc.

i could be wrong about this .. and i am not going to dig up facts, but here is the opinion of a "putz"

1) there is little to no solid evidence to prove their long term safety or benefits of taking HGH. every credible medical study usually concludes with words like "suggests that" ... "seems to indicate" ... "is thought to...." etc.

2) there is a TON of dickheads like you selling snake oil - for example the sprays which are 100% not effective. Your body simple cannot convert and utilize it. of course you were careful to point out that you are not one of those people.. but you can only defend yourself by pointing us to evidence from people who are selling the same thing you are. *yawn*

3) Your hormones exist in a pretty delicate balance with each other. Toying with that, without medical supervision is pretty dangerous.

toying with that balance because some fuck with a website with stolen graphics from www.phong.com said it's ok... is beyond stupid.




Last edited by JR at Aug 21 2003, 10:51 PM

oops.. bit too obtuse!

I meant to say... I think he meant R U Sure About That.[/b][/quote]
DUH!!! lol

I must have taken my moron pills yesterday

RU Sure About That!!!


Doh! :huh:

RUSAT means Right, Ultra Smart & Articulate Timon

You will only stay that way if you keep up your hormones! :matey:

You will only stay that way if you keep up your hormones! :matey:[/b][/quote]
Hey, it's hormones that made me "Right, Ultra Smart & Articulate" in the first place ;-)

Hey, it's hormones that made me "Right, Ultra Smart & Articulate" in the first place ;-)[/b][/quote]
were you imagining anyone thought it came to you "naturally" :moon:

were you imagining anyone thought it came to you "naturally" :moon:[/b][/quote]
I was sort of hoping that.... :(

But it doesn't matter how it came as long as it came ;-)

Hey, it's hormones that made me "Right, Ultra Smart & Articulate" in the first place ;-)[/b][/quote]
I need some of these hormones so I can become: Right, Ultra Smart & Articulate Trev :okthumb:

I need some of these hormones so I can become: Right, Ultra Smart & Articulate Trev :okthumb:[/b][/quote]
It's called hSOH

You must use it as a suppository, don't believe any of those injectable hSOH selling liars, that stuff doesn't work!

It's called hSOH

You must use it as a suppository, don't believe any of those injectable hSOH selling liars, that stuff doesn't work![/b][/quote]
Damn!!

I've got a gSOH by the bucket load... but if this hSOH has got to go up my ass I don't wanna know :blink:


I'll sit here with my gSOH and be a dumb ass :D

I am at the gym at 5.30 am..... not all of us are blessed with adonis like physiques.... ;-))

What all this about Hormones???

If you want to make a Hor moan ... just don't pay her

:D

I am at the gym at 5.30 am..... not all of us are blessed with adonis like physiques.... ;-))[/b][/quote]
Hey you will you look nice, for sure.

But those muscles are just gonna look good, it's for sure.

Come on the mat with me and roll. Build real muscles that won't tire out quickly because they are trained to do 3 sets of 12 reps.

You would have to take out all your piercings first, though. :D

So you get some "peer reviews" and you bitch Ha what do you want from me to come to "industry" board and not talk about my business at all?
Yes this a great board because its laid back and a lot more mature then some of the others, I feel I can get some better use of my time than posting or looking at tits and ass.

I think my credibility is yet to be determined and certainly not by you Timon or JR who based on their previous posts that I made the time to check out are cynics and seem like your stereotypical keyboard tough guys in my experiences those types are much nicer in person.

Jr points out
1) there is little to no solid evidence to prove their long term safety or benefits of taking HGH. every credible medical study usually concludes with words like "suggests that" ... "seems to indicate" ... "is thought to...." etc.



True many studies end that way, As well as studies for Cancer, weight loss ertectile dysfunction etc,,,,
You see all bodies are different Doctors never give a definitive answer unless it has to do with a specific ex; put a cast on that broken bone
even than put a cast on it and we will check it in six weeks

So what is solid "evidence" I think the testomonials of people who use and get results (good or bad) HGH is a perscription you have to have a medical exam before recieving any treatment


2) there is a TON of dickheads like you selling snake oil - for example the sprays which are 100% not effective. Your body simple cannot convert and utilize it. of course you were careful to point out that you are not one of those people.. but you can only defend yourself by pointing us to evidence from people who are selling the same thing you are. *yawn*


Well There are a few people who sell real HGH on the internet and I am sure there will be plenty more as the buzz gets bigger. I dont sell a spray so why mention it. Again I see the Docs/Scientists/Authors who right books and spend their lives dedicated to antiaging (who dont sell growth)
know less than JR. I am sorry please do not be offended but I trust their opinion more than I do yours

3) Your hormones exist in a pretty delicate balance with each other. Toying with that, without medical supervision is pretty dangerous.

toying with that balance because some fuck with a website with stolen graphics from www.phong.com said it's ok... is beyond stupid.


You are correct please if you decide to pursue any physical activity from dieting to fucking a stranger get a medical opinion or wear a rubber.

If you have a stolen graphic on yourwebsite fire your designer thats what I did!

So JR you keyboard tough guy what do you sell oh yea you pimp young chicks to do lude acts with strangers and that keeps then mentally sound
and they retire young and rich?
Snake oil dont throw stones you might not like the window you break

Hey dipshit, you're in the wrong thread, this discussion has moved here:

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?a...e4caa11d9ca9a1a

This is a pornographers board you idiot, we ALL do that for a living ;-))

Anthony....... I think most of us guys would rather have a good looking body than be really good at rolling on the mat hugging another guy :unsure:



Last edited by Timon at Aug 23 2003, 12:34 AM

This is a pornographers board you idiot, we ALL do that for a living ;-))[/b][/quote]
my point exactly

my point exactly[/b][/quote]
so then what the fuck are you doing here?

go find some midget support group forum



Last edited by Timon at Aug 23 2003, 12:35 AM

fair enough. if it will make you feel better, i can kick the living shit out of you in vegas if you can find enough money for a bus ticket to get there.

we are not talking about "many studies" - we are talking about HGH. you can't find any large body of credible medical studies because there are none.

even more to the point, you can't find any studies that can say conclusively that there are no long term negative effects because relatively, this is a very new science and it would take 50-100 years to know the answer to that question.

so.... saying "i take it and i feel better today" - is no different than saying "i snort cocaine and feel great" or "i am taking double the recommended doses of steroids and insulin injections and i am seeing tremendous gains"

the fact is, you can also be destroying yourself at the same time. you CAN'T prove thats not true.

some people get good temporary results from smoking crack. so what?

i see books by people dedicated to studying Bigfoot, Lochness Monster and UFO's. so what? its hardly conclusive proof of anything. right?


ok. so i am correct. you can tweak with your hormones and the list of things that can go wrong are WELL documented thanks to bodybuilders in the last 50 years. the health risks are many. they are proven.

what do you mean "fire your designer" - you have a guy working for you and he does not have the photoshop skills of a 10 year old and you had to fire him? doesn't make sense. looked like you had no money and you took a screenshot of the flash animation of www.phong.com and tried to make a website from it.

this is an adult webmaster board. where did you think you were... www.people-who-believe-anything.com?

This is a pornographers board you idiot, we ALL do that for a living ;-))[/b][/quote]
:biglaugh:


touche Timon

:biglaugh:


touche Timon[/b][/quote]
My point was when in a glass house

JR your arguments are that of a spoiled child.
I will no longer be responding to you or Timon
We will have our talk in Vegas I promise you will have an oportunity to kick my ass :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

Trust me good folks at oprano I am neither annoyed or shocked just saddened that once again another who judged me and what I do is reduced to threats of violence :huh:

My point was when in a glass house[/b][/quote]
You have the nerve to come to OUR board and then call our business a glass house?

You have the nerve to come to OUR board and then call our business a glass house?[/b][/quote]
Just making a point about passing judgement.

?"our board?
Timon if this was your board you would be very lonely

Our board = the board of us lowlife scum pornographers.

We are way below you, you have no business being here.

By stating that you are morally objected by our line of business you are simply reinforcing my point that your posts here are a thinly veiled attempt at peddling your midget hormones to us.

We might be lowlife smut peddlers but we're not stupid and your spam campaign is an insult to our intelligence.

By stating that you are morally objected by our line of business you are simply reinforcing my point that your posts here are a thinly veiled attempt at peddling your midget hormones to us.

We might be lowlife smut peddlers but we're not stupid and your spam campaign is an insult to our intelligence.[/b][/quote]
Thas was not my statement
I am not morally opjected to porn or those who make or sell porn

I just dont like hypocrites!

You created my spam campaign thanks it made me some great contacts and some cash Timon keep up the work

My point was when in a glass house[/b][/quote]
:lol:

hghpaysbig my point is I'm not interested in your glass house / passing judgement points :)

I am Australian, so by nature have the inherent ability to laugh at myself or at my own expense. ie pondering the absurdity of 12 years of catholic schooling to become a pornographer. ( Not exactly sure thats what my mother had in mind hmmm.. ) :awinky:

However your cute antidotes and backward sarcasm on *our* chosen profession have about as much charm as a road fatality :)
and are lousy comparisons in making the actual *points* of view you wish to share.

*Our = us lowlife scum pornographers*
** Thank You Timon

im quoting this part of JR's post because it's very important in case someone miss it. As JR said although HGH has been around for few decades, it's still early to be certain it doesnt have serious negative effects, even in a very small percentage. Health is very important and you should have everything in mind before taking any decision and always consult a doctor.

:lol:

hghpaysbig my point is I'm not interested in your glass house / passing judgement points :)

I am Australian, so by nature have the inherent ability to laugh at myself or at my own expense. ie pondering the absurdity of 12 years of catholic schooling to become a pornographer. ( Not exactly sure thats what my mother had in mind hmmm.. ) :awinky:

However your cute antidotes and backward sarcasm on *our* chosen profession have about as much charm as a road fatality :)
and are lousy comparisons in making the actual *points* of view you wish to share.

*Our = us lowlife scum pornographers*
** Thank You Timon[/b][/quote]
Honey-- somehow you missed my point because my opinion is the same as yours I was making a direct reference to JR pointing fingers at part of what I do for a living.

I do not wish to offend anyone just point out a hypocrite!

im quoting this part of JR's post because it's very important in case someone miss it. As JR said although HGH has been around for few decades, it's still early to be certain it doesnt have serious negative effects, even in a very small percentage. Health is very important and you should have everything in mind before taking any decision and always consult a doctor.[/b][/quote]
I second that please always consult your doctor.

Anthony....... I think most of us guys would rather have a good looking body than be really good at rolling on the mat hugging another guy :unsure:[/b][/quote]
Timon,

You are assuming that you won't get a decent body rolling around grappling. I admit, it's not the puff up muscles that I once had, but actual working muscle that I can rely on after 30 seconds of full out physical exertion.

Having all those great muscles look even worse when your ass is knocked down and choked out on the ground spasming like a fish out of water.

Sorry for the disturbing visual.

:D

Could be it's the whole 60s thing, but I agree with Peaches.

I've always seen a difference between doing the best with what [INSERT YOUR DIETY HERE] gave you through excercise, workouts, whatever ... and practicing "better living through chemistry."

Having watched several friends go into very ugly melt downs on steroids, I take a suspicious view of things like this. I'm particularly skeptical of claims about scientific research after looking into the whole Manitek (sp?) pyramid scheme of "nutritional supplements."

that diety in some way created anabolics too - all anabolics are, are synthetic derivatives of testosterone. many people melt down on alchohol, tobacco & other drugs.

everything in moderation. With HGH...it's too expensive and doesn't really show any benefit until 6 months or so of continued use from what folks say that use it (unless you use insulin with it - way too dangerous). Not to mention the amazing amount of "legally fuck me dry" potentialities selling it to US customers would offer.

best of luck -
aeon