Can I get this sent to me in writing and signed? :D

Seriously though, I think people who come from the Amateur side of the market understand what is going on, and should be able to capitalize on the change. We have always done things differently then the big programs....

Brad you are right, the companies who have always pushed the envelope - (the ones who led the way in putting the industry in this situation )- will still carry on business as usual....

It will be interesting to see if VISA can catch on to their games....

Hell for a small consulting fee, I would be more then happy to help VISA. These are the cockholsters who put all of our futures at risk!

I just opened my vinyl banner, flyer, and biz card re-printing company .. so that all of you can redo your internext literature... !!! lol

Sabby you weren't supposed to talk about my small penis in a public forum.. i'm never coming back to visit you anymore!

In general.. not sure customer loyalty is as good as it was 2 years ago... how much is a revshare worth these days??? and why aren't all of them retired???

You know what's simple? How I receive my CCBill cheque weekly without fail from all of the collective revshare programs I send to.

I check the numbers a couple times a month, and have yet to find a significant problem. I do believe it is a good thing for revshare programs.[/b][/quote]
Ugh, misguiding the newbies again, will someone with a partnership program put up some ACTUAL retention #'s? However there is a caveat, if you're not doing 200+ signups a day you don't have enough data to form a solid conclusion, imho. If there's a revshare program out there that would like to share some of this info and change our forever jaded minds that revshare is crap then please enlighten us. For what it's worth, if you come on here trying to push 60-70% retention I'll keep lmao all the way to the bank even at $25 a signup on PPS. Not sure if you read the boards at all but Lou, from Karups, you've probably got the best retention, care to share some #'s :)

Toolz, I agree partner programs are not the answers. Retention sucks (nothing we can do it going to help this trend dramatically), and it takes dialers, exits, upsells, email etc to turn a nice profit, not 50% partnership long term.

I challenge someone to post some #'s. I have never sent traffic to a partner program, I could be wrong, but that would be rare.

Mike Ai, you better hope Sabby doesn't spill the beans to Katie about this!!! :lol:

This is a very sensitive subject for me. I would not pay any girl to insult my dick size... I can get them to do it for free!!

:D

Keep that thing in your pants please. Thank you.

since when you became so modest?????
;-)))

and as ALWAYS,
ANY ISSUE in this industry can be wrapped with the regular
T&A and penis discussion
;-)))

Long live Oprano's "peter-meter"
;-))))

My hat is off to you Brad, for commenting purely on something you know about, and nothing you don't know about.

Nobody is going to post any numbers. If you were the savvy businessman you profess to be, you would know there is more money in the long run for affiliate programs that run purely on revshare. It's been said a hundred thousand times over, but a $35 payout on a 7.95 trial doesn't make sense. Never has. Yes I know that it's probably too complicated for me to understand that you make that money back up by cleverly using exits, and spamming yourself... but I'm learing.

Retention is just fine on sites that create their own content, and do not sell it to others. Obviously, sites with purely licensed content can't compete with that.

Chris the most important point about sending traffic to Rev Share is to send it to QUALITY sites, with great members areas. Custom content is also key. It is important to know the program, and the people running it - to know they are commited to 100% customer satisfaction!

They do not call it "Partnership" programs for nothing.... make sure you "KNOW" your partner, and that they are working with you! ( not just taking your traffic)

Chris, answer this. What has made more millionaires, PPS or partnership prorgrams?

You think Fm, RB, Marc De, Aussies, etc got rich off partnership programs, no.

Surf around to the biggest players in the biz exit consoles (ars, nasrty dollars, top bucks, etc), what do you see, 95% links to PPS programs, not partnership programs. These guys need to MAXIMIZE every dime, they must know what they are doing?

Success leaves clues, call me magnum pi.

I am sure they have a place in the industry, I just have not found it. Times may be changing, but for now I stick to same story.



Last edited by BradShaw at Jul 11 2003, 12:47 PM

Evil Chris - I'm not posting this to dog you, but even a PPS program paying $25-30 is (in most cases) going to make more ON AVERAGE (I'm not talking 2 or 3 sign ups that rebill for 10 months, that is all figured into the average) than a 50% partnership program.

You can have exclusive content but that doesn't change the fact that SURFERS KNOW THE GAME. Sign up and cancel - that is it and that is how it works. At 50% to beat a one time $30 referral your memberships would have to be worth almost $75 and we all know that is near impossible across anyone's entire portfolio (let me do the math, 75% - 18% of chargebacks, refunds, and processing fees = $61.50 and 50% of that is $30.75)

Partnership programs are great for people who have absolute superior traffic that will refer members that retain far outside the industry average, otherwise PPS is the way to go and still will be. There is one MAJOR reason the largest programs are PPS and that is because they PAY MORE MONEY per click / membership! :)



Last edited by Marc De at Jul 11 2003, 01:28 PM

Yeah, what Marc De is saying;-)

We're very excited about where revshare is and where it appears to be heading. I'm sure there's more bumps in the road but I have a solid vehicle:) I'm also excited about our dialer/web900/sms solution that we have along with wig's ACH program.

I think things are well with revshare as long as the owners are interested in retention.

anyhow, Go join wepayu.com and let us pay u :rokk:

Some good points here... and I can especially relate to Mike's comment on the quality of sites. Revshare programs need this in particular.

I don't want to get into the nudge nudge wink wink aspects of running a pps program that pays $40+ per free signup, though. Those kinds of numbers have never made any sense no matter what spin you put on it.

Marc, at Triplexcash (for example), all the sites contain exclusive content with almost no 3rd party content. Retention is good because the surfers get something unique on every update. Also, most of our traffic is from the TGP circle of webmasters and the conversions would impress you. These are surfers who know the game better than any others, I'm sure you would agree. Also, you shouldn't base all your calculations on 50%. I can offer you 60% and we'll both make a lot of money.

Brad... the bottom line here is you will have to lower your pps payouts, and therefore you'll be forced to compete with revshare programs. Your customer support is probably already good, but will need to step it up once again. But most importantly, the sites need to be beyond reproach. The member needs to be impressed with that they've paid for more than even now. So releasing 12 new sites a month will be almost impossible if they are to be profitable.

And by the way, most revshare programs will offer a pps, just not on trials.



Last edited by Evil Chris at Jul 11 2003, 05:05 PM

Hahahahaha!!! :okthumb:

RevShare has there place. But realisticly they are run by people who do not have the money ( or do not want to spend the money) to do PPS.

PPS programs are the biggest, and will be the biggest. It is good business practie to get your money immediately ( that is why people always take that option with lotterys). One big reason is RISK. Which is a major issue in this industry....

As a webmaster, one should have a good portfolio of sites to promote.... but I would stick to PPS programs for at least 85% of my traffic.

The only RevShare programs I send traffic to are run by friends, or amateur girls.....

Is this a roundabout way of saying that we'll see sponsors' free hosting going away soon?
It must certainly be an *expensive* thing to run.

And I agree, Mike - I am also EXCITED about the changes coming around. About damn time! And I'm loving watching the sheeple panicking, while the "playas" fight for court time and announce they're not lowering payouts - hell they're nearly breaking their necks to draw over those horrible ratio webmasters, LOL

The past 24 hours have been fun as all hell!! :bjump:

:okthumb: :okthumb:

I agree on the dialers. For sure, but think about the problems with 900 billing. It became less attractive once the telco’s didn’t force collections. Someone has to collect for them.

I’d like to see an aggressive billing company that used dialer technology but capture the ANI to do direct billing to the customer. The phone companies do it. Look at 1010220. When they don’t pay you cut them off and or have your collections dept start making calls.

Bradshaw I couldn’t help but notice your very realistic comments about payouts dropping and that you were still running numbers? Weren't you the one giving me shit about not having a HUGE fucking bank roll to do high payouts? Lol- Yea you got the secret key alright! I do also remember your rant about cross selling and how to make it work… lol- or was that Hooper? Looks like another side step that came back to bite you in the ass.

MikeAI, I’m sticking to my guns and I too look forward to business being conducted with some better regulations. It all kinda remind me of horse racing… you’ve got the ones that are fast the start but slow to the finish. The ones that pace themselves win, win, win and they’re in it for the long haul.

Chris, if you want to compete with PPS programs better
raise your rev share to something like 70 or 80% split cuz thats what a PPS program pays out if not more.

Cross sells can work, our CB's are under 1% year to date. I say they are working. Some people have gone overboard. Like couple of the big guys. Join their site via epoch, takes you to a page with a full page ad, click that, and another click and you joined another site. No members link, that comes in email.

We have to live by the rules that Epoch sets, life goes on, we will still find a way to make a profit.

Dianne, I am a businessman. This business is not childs play. I have looked at spreadsheets today that are over an inch thick. It is alot to digest.



Last edited by BradShaw at Jul 11 2003, 02:23 PM

You know what? I really beleive that you are. Perhaps once you digest all that you'll tell us your predictions.

Perhaps my $20.00 payout and 50% ongoing won't seem like child's play after all. Then again, who knows, the industry just might fool us all. Won't be the first time.

hey does anyone wanna sell something REALLY REALLY FUCKING FREAKY?

someone say 70/80% I know where you can find some of that action:)

slav, if you decide to try a higher revshare, gives us a looksee :)

So is this just a great excuse to turn up the shave? ;-)))

hahaha nick

what isnt a good excuse?

True,Forest ,very true.;-)))

Its July! Lets turn up the shave! LOL

New angle this time.Lower pps rates. ;-)))

End of the day...$20 per/30 per/40 per.....

Its all about the cheque you cash at the end of the week.

:-))

I had affiliates once....bastards,all of them ;-)))



Last edited by Nickatilynx at Jul 11 2003, 05:57 PM

someone say 70/80% I know where you can find some of that action:)

slav, if you decide to try a higher revshare, gives us a looksee :)[/b][/quote]
dan, i signed up last night
was gonna put the links up today
but than i got drunk last night and i cant remember the name of your program. Your confirmation email doesnt say anything.

help me out :)

nevermind i see it in your cig

sorry for that, yeah the confirmation letter epoch sends out isnt real clear, we setting up one of our own now. the url is wepayu.com
you'll get the 80% from now on.

Thanks for giving us a shot:)

Pearl!!!

(been there done that)

hahahahaha

slav

verry funny

:wnw:

CB's under 1%? Well then you won't have to drop your monthly membership fee to something lower than the $39.95 per month that you are charging now. Do you think you'll have to do this anytime soon though?

Are you using Paycom? Didn't I read somewhere that they will not be processing for anyone who is also using IBill?

We process no new transactions with Ibill. Have not for a while.

Hmmm... I think you do. You better check this out.

http://link.siccash.com/cgi-bin/welcome2ki....cgi/raw_5978/A

This URL shows it better:
http://www.kinkybrunettes.com/tour3.html



Last edited by Evil Chris at Jul 11 2003, 11:03 PM

Nick your rotten but I count on that! I wish I owned that zipcode list.

Flynt Digital just announced pay increases effective July 16th in response to this sponsor dropping payouts, and CECash announced a nice bonus bump.