As Serge stated there are all type of webmaster traffic. Unfortunately a good percentage that isn’t worth the time of day.

Established /full time– actually making money on adult internet.

Entrepreneur/ Part time – Just another investment

Dreamer/Part time – dreams of being a porn lord. Has some AVS sites, throws up
TPG’s and is always looking for a good free deal.

Beer Bitch/Part time – Is happy making enough for beer money.

I believe a successful board has something for all the groups above. In adult internet it’s all about traffic and signups. A 1000 part timers will easily fill in gaps. That and most established webmasters run their own programs, promoting their own sites.

Every board out there offers a newbie section with articles. Netpond is now soliciting new articles in the forum. The articles in that area are old. The education and resource area, if you’re going have one, should be engaging in a constant tempo. One that provides information and interaction. If I go to a board, I’ll print a few articles and I’m gone unless something really interests me. When I see the same people posting over and over, 50 or more fucking times a day, one and two liner post (because they want a prize or money to post) I’m not wasting that much of my time there. Successful networks engage and deploy a plan. After all isn’t that the trick? Teach them all that you can so they can do that for you or the network you support?

I think that Oprano needs useful tools, perhaps scripts for webmasters. These would need constant updating and promoting. Interesting articles about business is something I really enjoy. A good newsletter is definitely in order but it needs to be clever to make a webmaster want to READ it instead of hitting the delete button. Creating good free scripts with java banner rotation throughout keep the webmasters mindful. Coming up with the right scripts is the key.

I’ve learned a lot on Oprano. I consider myself a pretty savvy business woman who needed to sharpen my edge. After a few months on the boards, especially this one, I was able to lay some tracks. It brought focus to all the things I wanted to do, thought about doing and new projects to consider.

I’d personal like to see good moderators here. Not moderators that introduce a lot of stupid topics- “What did you eat for breakfast?” – I mean it’s ok to be lighthearted but when you see this stupid shit all the time it gets annoying. That’s why I only pop by GFY for a few minutes a day, keep my presence on the boards, make a post or two & leave. I’m just not interested in reading or interacting.

Something that would be interesting on a board, a lot of work but worth it, would be a webmasters community of sorts where webmasters could learn & interact with others publishing the same content or promoting like products. Kinda like what I want to do with Niche Cartel- a site that focused on niche content, resources, extensive information, tools to teach webmasters better ways to promote niches. If you promote niches you want to know who your surfer is and how you can better serve them. A webmaster community taps into several major areas- niche, amateur, products (pills, toys, 900).

Damn, sorry for this long ass post. My brain isn’t even awake! I need more coffee.

Oh Serge, I just got the cutest damn billy goat. He’s handsome, runs around like crazy getting up in the pigs asses. You gotta watch this goat because when you turn your back, playfully he’ll ram you in the butt. I was thinking of a name and I think I’ll call him Serge. I’ll take some pictures.

Oh Serge, I just got the cutest damn billy goat. He’s handsome, runs around like crazy getting up in the pigs asses. You gotta watch this goat because when you turn your back, playfully he’ll ram you in the butt. I was thinking of a name and I think I’ll call him Serge. I’ll take some pictures.
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does he need a god father??

I can christen him all right!
;_))) :okthumb:

You're a nasty nasty man Serge. Maybe that's who you're so damn infamous!

Oh YEAH !!!!!

Well..um..er...stammerstammerstammer.....

You Got Cooties !!!!

Nanny nanny boo boo...no tag backs




:nyanya:

Ok, now that I had to sign up for this board to reply to your postings on GFY... I am here and I expect a response from you Serge.

I am interested in what have listed so far.... how much U payin?

I can be reached through either:

http://www.nbdesign.com or
http://www.blushentertainment.com

Both sites have contact forms to get in touch with me... I hardly ever keep my ICQ on so I would need to know when you would contact me and I wil turn it on.

Talk to you soon....

how much am I paying?????

you haven't inspired me yet to even to consider answering this question...

at this point you are not even in the running...

I tell you Serge, if things get as bad as you've said in this thread, I'd be forced to hunt down the guilty party and beat them senseless with rubber farm animals... On videotape, no less. Then I'd sell the tapes to make back any money I lost from them.

See? No situation is hopeless.

I'm interested too Serge...

If you want the honor of me working for you, fly on out and talk to me.... You might have to wait for a few hours at my secretary's desk because I might be playing golf or at some verrrry important meeting at the titty bar...

But don't worry, I'm worth it :yowsa:

Um.. does the position include a limo and driver?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

(like Curly would say... The noive..... )

:yowsa:

hmmm....some of our sponsors can beat both me and Mike with their hands tied behind the back...
;-))

yes, but only if you are a bona fide transexual
;-)))

Sorry I missed out on this conversation yesterday
Being a long time friend of Oprano (as many others are) let me see if I can help out a little

You want more eyes to the site - sarettah was on track - stir shit. Don't be afraid to break eggs to make omelet. Luke Ford (even if you hate him) is always an easy target. Grab some dirt on his doings and gets him and others posting. Controversy sells

Want more posts - ask questions (like Colin does) about interesting topics. Questions require replies and thought exchanges as people have opinions are usually are willing to share their opinions

Also post interesting news articles (like Forest, Serge, MikeAI, myself and a few other do) and ask for other opinions about them and what they would do

Payment 3 weeks over due and John (where's the fucking money) is already on the case ..... act like a collection agency. call morning and evening. Find out why fees haven't been paid, what the problem is and more importantly HOW TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM (have the sponsor send payment, take CC payment or check payment right then when you get them on the phone, if it bounces ..... cat's out of the bag) AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANT COLLECT!

Revenues down 7% - WHY? What has happened to make this drop happen - make the solution and keep it simple KISS

Respectfully I disagree with DV, Oprano doesn't need scripts and so on as most people here have made it in the business and already have what they need or know where to get it

right now it looks like the focus of this thread is on personality and growth of Oprano and maintaining the Oprano Brand (which are all important) but remember Mutt also did the sports pools (he found the software, installed it and maintained it)


Edit - get the Oprano newsletter back up and running on a regular basis, Print half the article or info in the email and link back to Oprano for the rest of the info
Also that is more ad space to sell

after the coffee kicks in maybe I'll think of a few more thing


p.s. Coffee is starting to work a little
as for new advertisers - any new program or product needs to be advertising with Oprano, this is where the movers and shakers (so to speak) of the business read. I would dare say the readers of Oprano have the highest per capita income of any Adult industry webmaster chat or resource board



Last edited by Vick at May 30 2003, 09:55 AM

Contact forms??? Are you fucking kidding me? ROFLMAO

I'm guessing you're 20 something programmer, right? lol

Honey bunches if you're that serious about doing business and networking you'll leave your ICQ on and make yourself available to people.

>>>Talk to you soon....>>>>>


At least you're a confident little shit.

>>>Controversy sells>>>

To some degree but it's all about balance.



>>>>Respectfully I disagree with DV, Oprano doesn't need scripts and so on as most people here have made it in the business and already have what they need or know where to get it>>>

Here's the thing... for Oprano or any webmaster board to be successful (this is my thinking & opinions) they need a vast market. See previous email about different types of webmasters. Newbies needs scripts & there's a HUGE ass population of closet webmaster running small sites, tpgs and avs's, that promote the sponsors that PAY Oprano to be here. Collectively they make up a huge chunk of traffic. I didn't even realize how big until I started investigating TPG’s and AVS as being an alternate traffic source.

If you’ve been here a while you’ll read between the lines and know that the traffic kings are here. A traffic trading script would be great here, especially if someone worked with the webmasters. That’s just one idea. Team up with a company that already has this tool, offer an Oprano version. Seed the script with sponsor ads. There’s all kinds of scripts these smaller or even mid-size webmasters would use.

As for the newsletter. There are very few I read. There's an art to them.

clam bakes ????

Please I am all about the crawfish and oysters ![/b][/quote]
Sorry Billy wrong coast, what's the Crawfish and Oyster cookout called? Clambake is New England area I guess so is there a special terminology to this method of cooking?

Alright Serge,
I've dragged my ass out of bed finally (3 month old babies can make it hard to sleep at night) and I'm ready to go.... Can you answer my last questions?
Andrew

I agree with you Diana...

If I want to check out some piss marketing I troll over to GFY and watch Serge fuck with them there. Brilliant way to keep getting that tag line out there in everyones face because you know they are reading it...hell its GFY! Thats what they are there for. The downside of that is do you want to have to wade thru that kind of crap over here as well? Case in point is the influx of those type of posters in this thread. I find myself more at Oprano because Im tired of reading mornic paid posts from Staff members. I mean really -- if you dont have any sites up and running what would motivate an individual to post "IMAKEBEERMONEY.COM converts like crazy?" Do they think everyone is so stupid that no one realizes they havent even had as much as a TGP running since bannerfree.com at C.O.N.D.O.M. ?


The Vast marketing angle is also plausible. Everyone is looking for automation tools -- you can outsource some here for members. My guess is that theres a deal to be struck with some coders where Oprano would get a slice of the action [Signs, Signs, Signs].

And your right ...its not so much as newbies as it is there are people out there quietly running several sites at once under a TGP or AVS umbrella and making serious bucks. A lot of people dont come into forums dick waving just to be "pimpin large." Hell look at Peaches...as far as I know she doesnt have any pay sites!

As far as revenue issues ...I think its become VERY hard to throw up a resource board and get 5K a month for an "identicon" button. Pay Site owners are looking for a ROI as opposed to vanity. However I do agree that a new program would be well served to advertise here. There are several folks here that could throw enough productive traffic at the site to make it very reasonable.

I like the newsletter idea the art of it --at least in my book -- is for me to get that email or 2 a week letting me know whats going on on the board or what I missing out on. And if your giving something away for me just showing up...thats at least good for a look.

The sports pool is a good idea becasue it wraps a lot of those ideas together. People like contests!

Foregoing all of that...the real reason I come over here, is that I can easily check in a few times a day...see if anything of note is going on in the industry, do a little networking, look at what other people are doing and get a little debate action on business related topics.

Thats why I have taken other sites off my freqently visited list.

hmmm....some of our sponsors can beat both me and Mike with their hands tied behind the back...
;-))[/b][/quote]
They haven't met me yet then, apparently.. :)


I'm vicious with vulcanized rubber, man.

Oh puke. Too much ass kissing in this thread. You can have a job and keep your dignity too people.

Good thing I'm not in the board business.

You want more advertisers you get more reloads and more posters.

You want more posters you allow more nonsense.

You allow more nonsense and you're figuring that mathematically speaking you will also get more posts that make sense along with the rest and that helps too.

You make advertisers pay in advance and no one ever has a late bill.

KK, when you can start at $1 a year like Lee Iacocca started with Chrysler?
;-)))

Where do I sign up? :yowsa:

Andrew, NOW you are asking the right questions!

I am late, see you tomorrow
;-)[/b][/quote]
In order to finish up #3 what are the answers to these questions?
Andrew

Am thinking there is a happy medium here


My thought is (and I can be wrong) who wants the thousands of posters like someplace like GYF who aren't making serious living and just adding bullshit posts (example - would you tag this ect .... )


To give advertisers the best value and ROI you need to have an active board populated with posters from business (and the business owners or decision makers) that have financial resources and are able to make decisions than involve substantial revenue streams


Some examples - when I need design service I go to
Webinc http://www.webinc.com or
AAA Adult Design http://www.aaaadultdesign.com/
I've had work done by both and have been very happy with both companies


Why did I use them, I've seen both here (ads and posting) and knew both did quality work and could meet my expectations


Another thing that is interesting me is https://www.epassporte.com/
I see their ad here and I listen and read all that KK and Rand have to say about it. It doesn't quite fit my business plan yet (no recurrings and just beginning to get market penetration) but with a very loyal customer base like I have the minute they can recur I will consider introducing it to my paysite customers as a viable option to other CC processors

is this a little out of the general gist of the conversation ... maybe. But a lot needs to be considered and it takes a lot of personality, intelligence, drive, vision and ambition to fulfill what Oprano is looking for so I'm just kicking a little into the gumbo


Maybe I should break this down into 5 posts he he he he

Sabby,
that NOT the qualities which made mutt famous
;-)))[/b][/quote]
LOL, I was just thinking how interesting my resume is :yowsa:

You know, I been trying this board thing. On NakedSmartChicks I already ban 2 obnoxious men who piss me off!

I ban all obnoxious men on Oprano, there be nobody left here to post :nyanya:

hahaha

(Im just kidding, I really love you guys!)

Sabby

Sabby,
are you still married?
you sound like a "men eater" all of a sudden?

got laid lately?
;-)))

ban....I think in entire Oprano history only one person was banned...ever, and even she was unbanned lately
;-)))

She is ????

Shhhh... don't say it too loudly, she will hear you........

:blink:

this is a bold claim...

do you mind be interviewed right here?

here is the situation...

The board you are running is slow,
you got the dirt on one of your sponsors.

would you post it and stir shit, risking to lose his business, or not?[/b][/quote]
Isn't the Serge method to post the dirt here and then run over to GFY and post a thread leading to the thread here with the dirt?

I'll admit I read Sabby qualifactions and was very impressed

Still waiting for Sabby to get that strap on that goes around her head so she can bend over and .... well you know :D

Serge,
so whats with the ignoring me? Is this situation #4? "What do you do when the guy who was interviewing you is ignoring you?"
Respond so I can get to work! :)
Andrew

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Andrew,
I am sorry,
was busy trading and....there is one candidate ahead of you..
Robin Nixon and multitasking is NOT one of my specialties
;-((((

Isn't the Serge method to post the dirt here and then run over to GFY and post a thread leading to the thread here with the dirt?[/b][/quote]
nope..
I run to
GFY,
Netpond,
Xbiz and few other places
;_)))

hehe
so what does it take for me to move to the front of the line? give me a call and I'll make you a believer :)
Andrew

Andrew,
besides Robin (do you know Robin? ever heard of him??
there are few VERY formidable candidates for this position.

I DO appreciate your vigor and enthusiasm,
but we have to concider all candidates,
don't ya agree?

Absolutely.
Just so long as the position is worth a phone call. :) You might be surprised at how qualified I am
Andrew

Andrew,
if you are a lover Mike never told me about,
than that's for sure!

Otherwise,
we still have to go with due process
;-)))

Oh puke. Too much ass kissing in this thread. You can have a job and keep your dignity too people.[/b][/quote]
You're an idiot who wouldn't know an ass if it reached up and ate you. Where in the bloody hell did you define that as ass kissing? lol

Besides if I wanna kiss some ass, so what??

Well, that probably tells a few people something...

:)

ASndrew, thank you for taking my call,
I enjoyed the conversation