EricP: Ummm, porn board, porn solutions.

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I have read about .NET, and have studied the .NET Framework.

If you would do the same, you would realize the power it offers is above and beyond anything that has ever been.

C# is much better than C++.

VB 6 was trash, VB.NET is a full OO language will all the power of C++ and C#.

ASP was simple and could only do so much, with ASP.NET you can do SO much more and you can use ANY .NET compatiable language including C++, C#, Visual Basic.NET, Jscript.NET, Python, Perl, Java (J#), COBOL, Eiffel and Delphi.

Yes, I am building solutions for the Adult Industry...but I would not put a lot of adult 'Member' sites on a Windows Server.

There is no need.

"hack it" means what? get administrative access? get a copy of the registry?

or just bring it to it's knees? :matey:

haha Hoop...

No dos attacks :)

Getting a file I put in the C dir would work.

Sounds like a fun challenge, but you cant do something like start it up and have NO services running.

You have to run the services that a windows box runs. FTP, Telnet, IIS, Windows Media perhaps, PC Anywhere or VNC, whichever you use to admin the box.. i'll be game for at lease a little bit of fun :-)

Hack an IBM AS/400 and I'll be impressed. There's a reason all the casino's use them. .NET is nice technology, I'm just not as sold on it as you are Eric due to Microsofts track record.

Ulife, I COMPLETLY understand your point, But...

As far as the security issues are concerned, a large majority of MS security cases are caused from inexperienced admin who do not follow MS Security Recommendations properly, thus the reason Microsoft put out such free software as;

The " v4 Windows Update " The latest version that updates your system or network automatically.

The " Baseline Security Analyzer " that will probe your entire system (or Network) and tell you how to fix security vulnerabilities. (Works on Desktops too - XP, 2000) Give it a try. It also has a great user interface.

The " IIS Lockdown Tool " that locks down IIS from well known mis-configurations that could allow a breach in security.

If very well paid 'system admin' were as smart as their 4 year computer degree says they are, they would be using the tools above to help secure a W2K Server.

With the release of Windows Server 2003 and SQL Server (Yukon), I think we will see a very large improvement in security.

MS has made it their 1# priority and a very large part of it starts with .NET.

http://www.gotdotnet.com/team/clr/about_security.aspx

http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/execmail/default.asp
...In early 2002 we took the unprecedented step of stopping the development work of 8,500 Windows engineers while the company conducted 10 weeks of intensive security training and analyzed the Windows code base...

http://www.microsoft.com/security/



Last edited by EricP at Jan 28 2003, 07:44 PM

I know MS does not have the greatest security record, but take a look at the above post. Read what they are doing and I'm sure you will see that they are giving it 110% when it comes to security.

2003 - 2004 will be a very good test of this.

This begs the question "why weren't they giving security their full attention until now?" Like I said before I'll wait and see. From my standpoint I would have a hard time trusting Microsoft with my business until they have proven they can handle it. So far they haven't.

This begs the question "why weren't they giving security their full attention until now?" Like I said before I'll wait and see. From my standpoint I would have a hard time trusting Microsoft with my business until they have proven they can handle it. So far they haven't.[/b][/quote]

ulfie,

I guess you didn't read those links eh?



Last edited by EricP at Jan 28 2003, 09:06 PM

I used to work with an AS/400 using Lotus Notes Domino.

Awesome box shitty webserver the webserver crashed 5 times a day.
I also hate Lotus: I've been to school for it and I will never work in that environment again I hate it that bad.

taken from : http://www.netcraft.com/
only 3 in the top ten and only 6 MS sites in the top 20... come on!

#1
www.yahoo.com
The site www.yahoo.com is running unknown on FreeBSD.

2. MSN.com
www.msn.com
The site www.msn.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000

3. ??daum
www.daum.net
The site www.daum.net is running Apache on Linux

4. ???
www.naver.com
The site www.naver.com is running Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) on Solaris

5. Google
www.google.com
The site www.google.com is running GWS/2.0 on Linux

6. Alexa Internet
www.alexa.com
The site www.alexa.com is running Apache Tomcat/4.0.1 (HTTP/1.1 Connector) on Linux

7. Passport.net
www.passport.net
The site www.passport.net is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000

8. Yahoo! JAPAN
www.yahoo.co.jp
The site www.yahoo.co.jp is running unknown on FreeBSD

9. Sayclub.com
www.sayclub.com
The site www.sayclub.com is running Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.9 OpenSSL/0.9.6g on FreeBSD

10. Microsoft Corporation
www.microsoft.com
The site www.microsoft.com is running Microsoft-IIS/6.0 on Windows Server 2003

11. E-Bay
www.ebay.com
The site www.ebay.com is running Microsoft-IIS/4.0 on NT4/Windows 98

12. Bugsmusic.co.kr
www.bugsmusic.co.kr
The site www.bugsmusic.co.kr is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on unknown.

13. Sina?????
www.sina.com.cn
The site www.sina.com.cn is running Apache/2.0.43 (Unix) on FreeBSD

14. ???
www.netmarble.net
The site www.netmarble.net is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000.

15. Sohu.com Inc.
www.sohu.com
The site www.sohu.com is running Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) mod_gzip/1.3.19.1a on unknown

16. Amazon.com
www.amazon.com
The site www.amazon.com is running Stronghold/2.4.2 Apache/1.3.6 C2NetEU/2412 (Unix) on Linux.

17. ??
www.163.com
The site www.163.com is running Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) on FreeBSD

18. ????
www.dreamwiz.com
The site www.dreamwiz.com is running Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) on FreeBSD.

19. Gator.com
www.gator.com
The site www.gator.com is running Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux PHP/4.1.2 mod_perl/1.26 on Linux.

20. ???
www.freechal.com
The site www.freechal.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000.

oh and for thouse of you that don't like to reboot your servers...
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html

note how the first MS box is number 25!
sorry but I like to have a system that WORKS! what can I say...

of interest as well...
http://www.netcraft.com/survey/

http://www.netcraft.com/survey/

www.byteandswitch.com has been running continuously since November 2000. When we first started graphing web servers uptime in the summer of 2000, many people were skeptical that a Windows machine would ever make the top 50. Perceptions change, and although two years is exceptional, several Windows 2000 sites have run for more than a year without a reboot. In the hosting industry, Microsoft partners Interliant and Divine each have sites that have not been rebooted in over a year, while Microsoft has also run several of its own sites for over a year between reboots.



Hummm, Interesting.



Last edited by EricP at Jan 29 2003, 04:54 AM

You dork.

http://linuxworldexpo.com/

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=l...uxworldexpo.com

They went from Apache/Linux to Windows :)

Classic.



Last edited by EricP at Jan 29 2003, 05:19 AM

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=2...Redisplay+Graph

Umm, almost 3 years without a reboot on a Windows box?

Impressive.

It's crap like this that pisses me off.

People coming here with bits of truth and 1/2 cocked facts.


http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/accuracy.html#whichsites

yes it is quite impressive, and some what out of the ordinary...
but is just standard fair when it comes to apache / *nux combo

Umm...Come on what?

Around 30% of Servers are Windows.

Did you expect more or something?

I am saying that you have yet to make anything close to a valid argument as to why any one in this industry would move from a secure, stable, working envirement to microshit...

yes MS has about 30% of online servers, and that has not really changed significantly in the past 3 years...

Que,

I am not saying anyone in adult should use it, nor am I saying it would be better or faster for serving porn. (Read my past posts to understand what I am getting at.)

Microsoft had a vision that they started with Windows NT (Beta) and have fullfilled in a very powerful way with .NET and Windows Server 2003 (Release).

It took them close to 10 years and over 8500 skilled programmers to develop this software and it is more powerful than anything most have ever seen. (Think about that for a moment)

If you would read and do a little research you will see that Windows Server 2003 and .NET programming is far superior than anything that has ever been released.

It's a whole new enviroment. More secure, more stable, just plain superior.

I think if you did a little reading and testing, you will see that MS is not what it used to be.

You can start your reading at www.microsoft.com

so why are you posting this on this board?
I mean no disrespect but is oprano.com/msgboard not for the adult webmaster?

so why are you posting this on this board?
I mean no disrespect but is oprano.com/msgboard not for the adult webmaster?[/b][/quote]
What?

You don't think adult companies use ASP or ASP.NET?

You better open your eyes.

I suggest you go back and read the entire thread.

So are you saying we should only post about PHP on here?

No Java?

Perl?

JavaScript?

Cobol?

Python?

XML?

C

C++

C#

What exactly are you saying?





Last edited by EricP at Jan 29 2003, 05:33 PM

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so why are you posting this on this board?
I mean no disrespect but is oprano.com/msgboard not for the adult webmaster?[/b][/quote]
"nor am I saying it would be better or faster for serving porn"

For serving static porn, use a Linux Server/Apache.
If you need a simple db app....use PHP/MySQL.

If you want to build powerful web application, use a Windows Box with .NET.

Are you saying the adult industry has no need for powerful applications?

Let's pose a question.

Do you want your platform to be one made by Micro$hit or made by 1000s of true geeks worldwide?

M$= :barfon: