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Every decent corner store around here sells Cuban cigars. Most of my friends vacation there. I haven't been there myself but Havana sounds like a lot of fun. You can go, just fly through Mexico.

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I have a number of American friends that regularly go to Cuba. The Cubans are good enough not to stamp your US passport, put to just give you a paper you keep with your passport until you leave the country. They then give you another to give to the authorities in your next port of entry. Some fly through Canada, others Mexico, and still others go through Jamaica or the Caymans. Very common.

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Trixie: Part of the protection of public health is in the interest of everyone. A trade off between personal freedom and safety for the masses, like speed limits, seat belt laws, or smoking laws. You limit some of the freedoms of the masses because in the end it is better for the masses, and saves the state huge amounts of money because they don't have to clean up after things.

Don't make the mistake of mixing up your personal freedoms (you can fuck without a condom if you like, you can fuck a doorknob if you like... you are free to do so) with things like Occupational Health and Safety laws.

You can do work on your own house and you don't have to wear a hard hat. But in theory, a contractor coming to do the same may be obliged to do so. He might be obliged by law to wear steel toe boots, you may be able to wear sandles or nothing at all. That contractor may wear his fuzzy bunny slippers when he works on his own house. You have personal freedom when you do personal things, you have business liablities and rules when you do work for your business.

If condoms were made manditory for all porn shot in your state, as a business owner you would either have to comply with the law, take them to court, or face the penalties prescribed by the law if the state decides to take action. It isn't at all a question of personal freedoms, just another law about workplace safety.

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Damn! Dude has his own icon at Oprano ----> :cowboy:

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Here in lies the problem. I have just spent two years and close to a hundred thousand dollars fighting a lawsuit. I won. And I would not recommend this misery on anyone, win or lose. However, here's what I have learned. Anyone can pass a law and guys like you say if you have a problem, sue them. That is what my adversary did.
Easy right? Not a chance. You better have deep pockets and a very thick skin.
Guys like you are what make it easy for tyrants to do what they like. You have to interrupt the injustice before it is codified. In this case I agree with Tasty and think you are about four hundred feet out in left field.

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Not at all a question of personal freedom, eh? Not at all? Not even a little bit? Huh.

Right there is half of the foundation of where you and I do not and have never seen eye to eye and why we never will.

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Like I said, your personal freedom to produce any material for your own use in any manner you choose (providing you don't break any existing laws, say by fucking children, dogs, or similar) then knock yourself out.

You and I agree entirely, your personal freedoms cannot be restricted. Neither the government nor anyone here is suggesting for a second that your personal freedoms should be limited. In fact, Max Hardcore if he produced this material for fun and gave it for free to a friend in Tampa would not be on trial today.

However, Max is operating a commercial business. He has ended up in court because of a business transaction.

In the same manner: If the state of California passed a law that said "all porn performers must wear condoms during actual penetration", then the companies producing porn would have the three choices I mentioned before.

You and I won't see eye to eye on this (or pretty much anything else) because you don't have a line that runs down the middle and seperates your personal life from your "professional" life. You also fail to catch the basic concept of personal freedoms versus business regulation, which is very important for understanding why Max is in court and not some of the people posting personal videos on newsgroups that cover the same material.

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Let me ask you this then. Around here the Sikhs are protesting the fact they will be forced to wear hard hats on construction sites and sawmills. They, of course wear turbans. The Sikhs are calling it a human rights code violation. They are also whinging about wearing motorcycle helmets.
How do you stand on this safety issue?

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On that stuff, I stand on the side of "the law is the law". If they cannot wear the gear, then they should do a different job or not ride a motorcycle if they cannot comply. Nobody is forcing them to comply - only to comply if they want to participate. This is especially true in Canada, because of social medicine, the state would be forced to bear a bigger burden if one of these people was injured because they failed to be wearing safety gear.

Example in Minneapolis Airport: Some of the taxi drivers there, being Muslim, refuse to take passengers who might be carrying alcohol, which is against their religion. They have even refused to carry guide dogs or helper dogs ( http://www.onenewsnow.com/Blog/Default.aspx?id=116428 ) - which is again against their religion.

If that is an issue, perhaps they should get a different job. Nobody is denying them the personal freedom to do whatever they want, but there are also guidelines and policies that come with most jobs, and you need to be able to fill them. We don't hire blind taxi drivers, and generally we don't hire deaf people to answer phones. Some things are "obvious".

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And you fail to catch the basic concept of capitalism, of obscenity laws (even if he weren't making money what he does could still be found illegal, it would just lower his chances of being caught), and of the way that they intersect in porn cases to create a uniquely discriminatory system that is UNPARALLELED in our country. You also fail to recognize the grey area created by all of this intersecting with SEX which is obviously different and more personal than roofing or taxi driving. You fail to figure in consent or gender issues or the fact that what is motivating all of this legal bullshit is not people's safety or "business", it's people's morals and asthetics. Religion and personal taste are not supposed to figure into laws like this.

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Keep the lawyers and snivel servants out of our bedrooms. What is going on here really, is a morality war. A crusade by the Christian right. Not unlike the crusade in Iraq. Same principal. They feel a certainty and a calling to proselytize and eradicate evil. However, historically that has been the "American Way". Spreading light and freedom around the world whether the local wogs like it or not. This is just a domestic manifestation of that holy war.
Onward Christian soldiers....

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Bill Clinton knew the value of a blowjob.

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Bill Clinton will go down in history as a great American president. Hopefully the next one will be as good if not better. Last chance, kids.

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Trixie, I swear you aren't reading what I post:

Your personal freedoms to choke when you suck cock, to vomit on your boyfriend, or for that matter to do your own personal two girls one cup isn't being infringed. Nobody is telling you what to do in your sex life. You are ENTIRELY FREE TO DO WHAT YOU LIKE.

Your personal freedoms are intact.

You can also video tape the event, and give copies to your friends if you want. You are also free to do this. However, if you send that material by US mail and it happens to be found to be obscene, well... different kettle of fish.

You also miss the point: I agree with you, but under the legal framework that exists, obscenity still exists as a crime, and the Supreme Court of the US has upheld the law and created a (faulty) way to judge it. That is what there is, and off you go.

As for wearing of condoms or other in COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS, the state pretty much has the right to mandate occupational health and safety rules. Production of porn for retail sale is a commercial undertaking, and if the state feels that there is a compelling need to protect people when they are making a commercial product, it is within their powers to do so.

Again, nobody is denying you your write to fuck without a condom (or on your head, or getting fucked in the ear if it turns you on) but as part of a commercial product, as part of a business, you are subject to the laws that apply to business the same as anyone else.

You are blurring the line between business and personal because that is the choice you have made in your own life. When sex becomes a business, it is in reality no different from any other business, and the state has an interest in protecting everyone on the job. Heck, even the porn industry as a whole understands the need to protect it's workers and mandates frequent testing and such. As a performer, I am sure that you have been through these tests many times.

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Here's where I stand. Fuck the Sikhs and anyone else that won't follow the rules of the country they live in. If they can't figure out how to get their fucking turbans stuffed into a hardhat, they either take off the turban or find a different job or move back to their own country.

And I agree with Alex. Max Hardcore wouldn't be in the trouble he's in if he hadn't violated a law that he should have known about. Anyone that distributes extreme content or sex paraphernalia knows that there are certain areas of the country that you don't distribute to because of their community standards. Again, if you don't like the fact that there are laws and rules to follow and don't want to take the time to learn what they are or you feel your personal beliefs are being violated, get out of this business and get a safe job.

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Gonzo's first rule of porn

"Most every guy likes his dick sucked."

Freel free to ad yours

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I think there is a business opportunity here. A hard hat or helmet that looks and functions like a turban. This time next year, we could be millionaires.

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I'd be interested in knowing how the ADA/religion battle turns out....
Personally, I think you need to carry the dog.
If I gotta put the cut curbs in, make my doors a certain width, put special padding around my special bathroom sink, make special shitter bars, put 2 never used handicapped parking spaces with loading zone per 20 in my parking lot, and every other damn ADA thing for that one wheel chair dude that comes into my store, then the Muslim gotta carry the damn dog.

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Oh happy day....Emp and I agree.

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Do the hard hats have to pass any kind of testing? Otherwise I see another opportunity here as well.

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So THAT's why there's snow outside my window!

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...or the muslim can protect his personal freedom to refuse dogs by driving his personal car and not working in the taxi business. Nobody is forcing him to accept dogs in his car - UNLESS HE USES IT FOR A PUBLIC BUSINESS.

If I have to accept his wife covered from head to toe in a bedsheet in my store, he can accept a handicapped person's guide dog.

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yall might want to look at this court coverage on Max at AVN.

Looks like they are wanting to bust him for a distributor mailing a postal inspector DVDs that max had only produced. He didnt mail em.

http://www.avn.com/video/articles/30534.html

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You guys got it wrong.....
the turban boys don't DIG in the sand...they hire Indians to do the work.
Turban boys just own the sand, and come over here and own 7-11s, and drive cabs. All part of the master plan to control the US by withholding the slurpies, and paralyzing the city's transportation when the time comes for a jihad.


Oh, I feel bad...what terrible stereotypes....

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I read that last night, and it really does look like the state is reaching some fierce on this. If anything, the video company may be more likely to be on the hook. I also think that if the underlying charge (sending via mail obscene material) is knocked down, the rest of the house of cards falls because it would be outside of the jurisdiction of the court in Florida to look at.

The biggest risk? There is potential that the Max Hardcore servers were located in Tampa Bay area... which may still give them some jurisdiction in the case (but would almost certainly be something that would get appealed over and over to the top)

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What about the Muslim chick that worked at Walmart that refused to ring up a customer's order because she was buying pork products? Then she demanded that the conveyor belt be cleaned because the pork has touched it. Then to top it all off, eventually that Walmart stopped carrying pork products and started carrying produce that was specifically geared towards Muslims because they had a sizable Muslim clientelle. Time for some white folks to fly a fucking plane into that Walmart if you ask me.

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does this mean its time to move servers off shore for a extra level of protection?

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Thats bullshit if you think that will protect you. As long as you live here you can be potentially prosecuted. Same thing for offshore banking.

Ask Joe Francis.

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around here the moon turned to fire red.

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You should. The guys I am discussing are Sikhs. Stop being such a stereotypical ignorant American.

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Business is business. BTW, it was white folks who flew the planes on 911.

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Saudis may be considered Caucasian but I'd hardly call them white folks.

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Okaayyyyyyyy . . . always good to remind myself why I stay off the boards. This is some ignorant, ugly shit, but of course I'd expect nothing less from RawAlex and Hammer. Bye guys! Have fun with your irrational, deluded, out-of-context supremacy trips. Always a waste of time trying to speak rationally with/around you.

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Like I used to tell the Smothers Brothers, "Ya'll all look alike to me"

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I know it sucks. It's only ugly and ignorant because you choose to look at things based on the way you wish the world was rather than the way it is. There are any number of court rulings already out there, there are any number of laws out there, and providing laws are applied equally to all, the courts rarely strike them down just because it doesn't satisfy one person.

There is no supremacy trips here. Just a discussion of a reality you aren't liking.

Don't let the logic gate hit your ass on the way out.

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Look white as you....
As a matter of fact, I have blond hair and blue eyes,and pink skin. Maybe we are the last of the real "white" folks. The rest of you look strangely related to the Spanish...

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If you say so. Maybe they look white after they live in Canada for a while. All the Saudis I've seen have dark skin and black hair. Maybe you've confused Lawrence of Arabia with a real Arab.

As for Trixie, what the fuck got her panties in a bunch?

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You have dark skin and black hair. I am sure you consider yourself white. I have pink skin. I would guess that in the scheme of things I would be "whiter" than you. My experience with Saudis is from living in the Middle East. Let me ask you this......wait for it....are Jews white? Time is ticking and I have spent a lot of time in Israel.

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and as for Tasty, you will have to ask her.

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Dude, I had another look at your picture. I would hazard a guess that if I wrapped your dark face in a khafia, you would never get past airline security. I, on the other hand, was turned down at the last minute to travel to Pakistan to interview Osama Bin Laden because I couldn't fit in because of my blue eyes and blond hair and would be a security risk. That was a couple of years before 911. So please, one more time, tell me exactly what your definition of white is. In my books, you might not fit. That could be tragic for you living around all those non white Cubans. Or do you consider them white folks?