Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

The privacy laws will differ from state-to-state though. Something worth noting.

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

OK, I missed it in all that typage - where does it mention DOBs or photos being personal information?

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

That's why I don't buy any content from Canadian producers. ;)

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

So, they are giving up the right to have their information remain totally private by waiving he right in a contract with you, right?

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I never said Spike or HG... I'm referring to CANADIANS. Homegrown has their docs well in order, but I do hear what you're saying. It's the principle of the thing that is my main point of argue. I hate CP, I have two young daughters, and I have reported more than my fair share of sites to ASCAP and the FBI over the years. It's the principle of the thing, and the fact the domains were pulled before this guy was given a chance to produce ANYTHING. What will that mean for the future?

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Agreed, but again, Gonzo and I were discussing GEORGIA laws. That's all. Georgia. The state. Here in the US. He says it's illegal to copy a driver's license here, I say it isn't. Here. In GEORGIA. ;)

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Not to mention multiple sponsors he was promoting have stepped up and offered to hand over docs to help him out. It's their content that is the cause of scrutiny and issue, I'm honestly surprised this hasn't turned into a witchhunt for teen sponsors.

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Unless of course the person has given permission in a release or contract, right?

Has anyone asked what is in the particular model releases associated with the content in question? So, for all any of us know, it might be perfectly legal to release the info to DN.

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Absolutely not.. THe releases are VERY specific in their purposes as per the law. If I want to use the ID for a purpose other than is specified there, I have to get express written permission from the model.

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Name address city state zipcode and phone number. Seems pretty personal to me.

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Releases, ID, all personal information right down to birthdate is covered under the law as it stands. You can try to muddy the waters with your speculation, but I think what I put there is pretty clear. I could also hunt up the entire contents of the seminar that our legal expert put together. That might help clear up a few more of your misconceptions if you like :)

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

And also placed in the system by the FIRST PARTY to suit a purpose. They volunteer their information to be public and accessible. Not so with data collected for private purposes and with releases involved.

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Did you miss the "totally" in there? They have given up some of their rights by allowing you to pass the info to third parties in certain circumtances if you have that in your release, right?

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

What are the name of the sponsors in question?

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

I didn't say you did and I'm not getting involved in the Canadian debate, I'm simply talking about what DN is doing.

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Oh, I see how this works. The anti DN force is allowed to speculate all they want and assume that directnic did this out of the blue, on their own with no govenement inquiry starting he whole thing off, assume that none of the sponsors have privacy right clauses in their releases and assume that because Slick used sponsor content on a site that HE is PERSNALLY responsible for that the content was totally legal.

But if I make one speculation I am muddyng the waters?

You want in on the bet thread LM ?

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Looks like Experian can also ask for and receive a copy of your Georgia's driver's license.

OK, I've found at least THREE instances where it's legal to make a copy of a Georgia driver's license.

Batter up, Gonzo :)

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Ah, I see the confusion. I said Spike but misspoke and meant to say Slick.

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I'm not ANTI-Directnic.. I just don't feel that a registrar has the right to demand id's from someone. I do believe htey have the right to report him, to shut him down, to give him the opportunity to respond. But the way this entire thing was handled was very much a jumping of the gun in my PERSONAL opinion, and the results of this could be far-reaching. Don't tell me that if DirectNIC doesn't pull this off unscathed, other registrars won't be doing the same kinds of things, and who knows for what reasons? Maybe DirectNIC DOES have a good reason, but if so they better produce it damned quick, or it's going to be the beginning of a disturbing trend that could threaten ALL adult business.

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Ill look when Im done with work.

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Go ahead and talk about it. Doesn't make it the case. Putting emphasis on something, or elevating the risk more than other businesses and 'bogus' is not the same thing. And buying advertising from an ad network is not the same thing as owning the ad network. Though I understand the confusion, seeing as you have been stuck on the Lars deal for months now and still seem to think he's a partner in Zango.

Get your facts straight. Oh and maybe you should try some of the shit you keep bitching about so as to stop making a lousy $4k/mo :D I'm sure you'd be less interested in the business of others and their methods if you were at a decent income, like $40k/mo...

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I disagree only on the point that they don't have the right to do it. When the contract was signed, the right was given. Period. If you (universal you there) had a problem with the contract, either don't agree to it or take a case to court to prove the contract unenforceable thereby forcing the registrar to change the contract. A third option would be after the fact getting an injunction stopping the contact from being enforced until a judge can rule on the contracts legality.

None of these were done which in my mind says that the contract is considered enforceable by Slick's lawyer and makes all the discussion about whether DN has the right or not moot.

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

So you think is a good business model to trick a surfer with a bogus virus scan and pop out the cd tray .... load the "fix" on the machine.. which is nothing more than a trojan for adware?

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Cool - I'll get my paperwork ready to sue my lawyers with :)

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Get a lot of paper..

Every Govt agency I know of photocopies it as well.

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

So the government, my attorneys and the credit bureaus are all breaking the law? Excellent. Class action suit.

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Laws on the books are very often outright ignored for practical purposes.

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

No waiting for the government to really start regulating us , could really threaten us. Im sorry but everything isnt ok , we as a industry have to say somethings cross the line or we will be very fucked.

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Hey, I have a closing in a couple of weeks - I just want to be able to walk in there and say "Look - no you may NOT have a copy of my driver's license" :)

(yeah, I'll give it to them anyway because they're friends, but it will be fun if Gonzo's right ;) )

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

I know your keeping count over there.

How many times in the past have I steered you wrong?

Eventaully the truth comes out and you find yourself agreeing with me.

If they have changed the law since I was a cop I will let you know that too.

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Didn't say I did. Nor do I know who you're referring to when you mention a bogus virus scan. My point was you may want to try some ideas that you haven't tried as you're obviously not doing too well with what you're doing right now, and you seem very bitter about it complaining about what everyone else (who is doing well) is doing wrong.

And asking other's on how to do shady shit (but getting no help) doesn't count as far as trying ideas go.

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

So you dont work for or own innovativemarketing?

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Hello folks

I'm not in the Adult Website business (though I've often thought about having an adult site)

I'm a user who has been going to reallyeighteen.com (and sites like it) periodically for a few years roughly and I'd like to share my perspective on this.

The problem as I perceive it is that the site doesn't really host the content, the thumbnails are redirects that pass control over to other sites and each time you click them you may end up somewhere else. The links don't always lead to the pictures shown in the thumbnails and once you get to another gallery of similar redirects you just don't know where you are going to end up if you click those links. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. Grannies, kiddies, animal sex... nothing to do with the thumbnail images.

Indeed, a few times I've ended up at galleries showing pictures of what are obviously children. I haven't worried that much about it because it was very infrequent and I just closed that particular browser tab if I saw anything like that, realizing it's not really their fault once control has been passed on to another site.

Yesterday, I noticed that there was no dns for reallyeighteen. At the time I thought it was just a temporary glitch, or they were moving or something. I know how to use whois and get the authoritative nameserver and then query that to get the IP. So I did that, and set up a hosts file entry for the site so the virtual hostname would work. It seemed to be business as usual, but I hadn't been there in a few weeks.

Today, when I checked and the problem still wasn't solved I started to suspect that something like this had occurred and started to search for answers. Google has de-listed them from their databases, citing a request from chillingeffects.org. So the only info I found was from a few (questionable) spyware removal sites with instructions for cookie removal (I use Linux so I don't give a shit about Windows malware, and I always delete cookies and browsing data after visiting adult sites so that's no problem either)

A Yahoo search led me to this discussion here and now I understand what's going on. Looking again at the registrar info, I now see it's in "Registrar-hold" status (didn't read the info that closely yesterday)

From my perspective, I'll not be going back to reallyeighteen again, because I simply don't want to be associated with the stigma of "kiddie porn". I like pictures of nice young ladies in the 18-20 age range (I'm not even especially fond of "hard core"), but I'm not exposing myself to some potential overzealous and righteous ISP employee for what I might accidently land on. It really got me thinking about that. Whether charges hold up in court or not, once you've been accused of anything to do with child porn you're finished.

It's unfortunate, and I agree that this should not be the job of a domain registrar. Not only that, how the Hell can they provide ID for the models when it's not even them who has "hired" them? Maybe I'm not fully understanding how all of this works, but it seems to me that perhaps slick networks just has to be more discriminating in their afiliations. Shutting them down is inappropriate. Cripes... drop their domains and let them transfer them or re-register elsewhere if they don't approve of the content. That's where the registrar's responsibility should end. Similar for Web hosts. Drop the customer if you don't approve, but don't fuck with them.

I'm sure I'm not alone in the way I think, so this has probably really hurt them. They'll not be able to use those domain names again... they'll have to start anew. This whole thing sickens me and that domain registrar can burn in Hell. I'll certainly never use or recommend them.

Again, I do not want to encounter child porn, but this is way over the top.

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Anyone here doesnt think this is a huge issue now?

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

I thought so the second I saw the first post on GFY. Our lawyers are reviewing everything (on the US side). As far as the Canadian side I already know where we stand (as I am currently a privacy comissioner for our former content company, we still have to hold the records even if we are not currently conducting business).

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

This is huge. Has there been any rebuttal from Directnic?

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

I think that's the fakest "surfer letter" I've ever seen.

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

Gonzo, you've been wrong plenty of times ;)

And when were you a cop? What town/county? It had to have been at least 10+ years ago, so yeah, I suspect a few laws have changed, lol.

Re: DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs
 

after reading this a few times I have to agree it looks pretty fake

then again, the one thing I hate about the internet comes into play, you never fucking know anymore

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The veracity of that letter is way suspicious.