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CDSmith 04-24-2006 02:18 PM

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Here are some arguments presented by various Americans on other sites:

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This is a simple issue. Americans can not just go an become instant residents in another country. At best we can get a visa but often it is limited to X amount of days per year we can even stay in some places.
Why should this be any different for the Mexicans? If you are not legal, you are ILLEGAL and should not be allowed to stay.
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Why make it easier? If they can't not be bothered to follow the rules on getting into the country what other rules won't they be bothered with? I have no problem if somebody wants to come here in the right way and make an honest living for themselves though.
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"Why make it easier?" - Because it's going to happen. If you want to control it, you have to make it easier for workers to enter the country legally. Because where you have economic disparity to this degree unregulated immigration will happen. The system is complicated and expensive. As long as it's easier to hop the fence and take your chances that's what people will do.

Educate yourselves about why this is happening.
http://journalism.berkeley.edu/proje...r/nogales.html
http://www.mennoweekly.org/FEB/02-09...ales02-09.html
http://www.mennoweekly.org/FEB/02-09...otos02-09.html
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I am not anti-immigrant; I am all for people who want to enter the country legally. My family came over from Spain many years ago. My relatives did it legally. That meant learning English and being a part of the culture. They didn’t sneak over the border in the middle of the night and then run into the streets demanding this, that and the other. Legal immigrants who enter through the proper channels by and large do come here to make society a better place.

Illegal immigrants do not come here to make this country a better place or to contribute to our society. They come here to suck up our resources, housing, handout programs, food and jobs and they ship the fruits of their labor back across the border. Illegal immigrants do not get immunized properly before crossing, this means that they bring disease and sickness with them.

And to fuck with their sad stories. I've got a few of those myself and they don’t entitle me to break the law to fill my needs, wants or desires. I cant just march into Canada or China or Russia or any other country and declare myself a citizen. Why should other people be able to do the same here?

Don’t post a link to a liberal California college and two to a newspaper for religious fruitcakes and tell me that’s why I should let it happen. The liberals have gotten this country into a huge fucking mess with their preaching tolerance and peace and unity bullshit its incredible. And the GOP is equally responsible for the mess because they keep wanting to spend every dime they can get a hold of.

So if you think that they should be allowed to come in here and do whatever they want and we should sit back and let them, well then fuck you because you are not an American and you are the one who doesn’t deserve to be here anymore.
I don't see this issue as something that a lot of Americans are just going to "accept" and let slide simply because it's been happening for centuries.

Speaking purely as a Canadian, and that encompasses the fact that we up here have our own history of language issues plus albeit much smaller illegal immigration problem, I will say this: I would love to see a workable solution in the USA where thoese illegals who are not raping your system for all it's worth be given a bit of a break. Not a free pass, but a new avenue to gain the citizenship they desperately seek.

As for the rest, well...Call me crazy but I'm not big on people just being able to walk into my country and live off our tax dollars. That's of course my first reaction, I'm well aware that there are many facets to this argument.

PornoDoggy 04-24-2006 02:47 PM

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Ah, but you see I think that the stories of them "living off our tax dollars" are exaggerated to give some folks the vapors.

The way to stop illegal immigration is to nail the corporate sponsors of it. Busting a pallet outfit makes for good PR, but indicates that they are still unwilling to go after the contractors, the meat-packing industry, and the other major employers who depend on them.

Peaches 04-24-2006 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PornoDoggy
Ah, but you see I think that the stories of them "living off our tax dollars" are exaggerated to give some folks the vapors.

The way to stop illegal immigration is to nail the corporate sponsors of it. Busting a pallet outfit makes for good PR, but indicates that they are still unwilling to go after the contractors, the meat-packing industry, and the other major employers who depend on them.

Someone mark today down, I agree with PD :scratchin

PornoDoggy 04-24-2006 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches
Someone mark today down, I agree with PD :scratchin

>PD quickly and quietly checks what he posted to see if he made a serious mistake.<

:D

Peaches 04-24-2006 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PornoDoggy
>PD quickly and quietly checks what he posted to see if he made a serious mistake.<

:D

Fokker! ;)

CDSmith 04-24-2006 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PornoDoggy
The way to stop illegal immigration is to nail the corporate sponsors of it. Busting a pallet outfit makes for good PR, but indicates that they are still unwilling to go after the contractors, the meat-packing industry, and the other major employers who depend on them.

Myself, yourself, and Peaches are all in agreement.

Are the planets aligning as well?

Rcourt64 04-24-2006 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith
Myself, yourself, and Peaches are all in agreement.

Are the planets aligning as well?

Oh My...The Apocalypse draws closer :blowup01:

PornoDoggy 04-24-2006 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith
Myself, yourself, and Peaches are all in agreement.

Are the planets aligning as well?

If Mike AI comes in here and agrees too, I may have to commit myself to a re-education camp ... :(

Winetalk.com 04-24-2006 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sammy
PLEASE NO TALK OF SUSHI AND WINE.

Last time that happened, I had police over with guns pointed at my head!!!


ok, how about we talk big boobs and wine instead?
;)

softball 04-25-2006 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Winetalk.com
This is a HUGE mistakes...
French make an excelelnt WHITES which would go well with sushi. I wouldn't mind having some aged red Burgs with sushi as well.

Really? The French make white wine? Damn when did that start? You mean Chablis isn't Californian and doesn't always come with a screw top and a handle? You learn something new every day around here. Thanks Serge. You know how much respect I have for your opinions on anything to do with fine living and good taste.

redneckroy 04-25-2006 12:08 AM

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rhetorical why have you got a picture of Laurence Connors wearing a black wig as your avatar?

softball 04-25-2006 01:08 AM

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softball 04-25-2006 01:13 AM

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softball 04-25-2006 01:19 AM

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What was I thinking? Why bother?

CDSmith 04-25-2006 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by redneckroy
rhetorical why have you got a picture of Laurence Connors wearing a black wig as your avatar?

http://members.shaw.ca/billy1-99/pics/bwaha.jpg


I mean... *cough*... shit that caught me offguard.:yowsa:

PornoDoggy 04-25-2006 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rhetorical
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Could be the best post I've ever read of yours.

peon 04-25-2006 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by redneckroy
rhetorical why have you got a picture of Laurence Connors wearing a black wig as your avatar?

Oh shit bro, I thought it was Howard Stern with lipstick on!!! LOL!!!!

Winetalk.com 04-25-2006 08:36 AM

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People, shame on you! Don't be jelous over his money producing wife and his glorious living off 2000 uniques a day.

His shift at McD starts at 9 am, so don't expect any responces till late afternoon PT.

softball 04-25-2006 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Winetalk.com
People, shame on you! Don't be jelous over his money producing wife and his glorious living off 2000 uniques a day.

His shift at McD starts at 9 am, so don't expect any responces till late afternoon PT.

I suppose you will while away the hours poring over brochures for your next old guy package tour. You know making sure the bus is comfortable and the tips are included. Hey serge, I hear there are some bargains to Dahab. Act quickly.


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