and it shows in his programming as much as CNN shows in its anti-war

although i dont think any news organization is "anti-war" it gives them hours and hours of programming and coverage and much more advertising dollars.:)

One must put this in perspective. How many mass horrors did Stalin bring on his own people? (before, during and after WWII ) What about the countries that fell into the USSR's zone of influence after WWII?

Stalin killed more Russians then Hitler did. [/b][/quote]
thats a hell of a way to talk about our allies, our brethren;)

very good retort in the style of Fox TV I had the misfortune to watch in Granada, Spain....
Instead of answering the opponent legitimate questions, Fox TV and you Michael, redirect the issue. Won't work on me, I've seen better execution by Communist Party propaganda machine and their typical MO was ABSOLUTELLY the same-
"It's not bad in USSR, because the exploited masses of capitalist countries suffer more and more exploited by their capitalist masters"


Have more ammo up your sleeve, something I haven't seen before on Fox or Communism? Surprise me, ambush me with NEW debate tactics and I'll capitulate...beaten to the pulp. [/b][/quote]
But serge.. Communism and Right wing propoganda are all there is;) anyone who reads or thinks outside of that box of thinking is... a communist, or at very least a socialist, and does not know anything about history, and is bad for our country, etc, etc, etc, etc ;) ;)

Could it be they are anti him because he is a twat? [/b][/quote]
i am anti bush because he has no idea what he is doing domestically.

Wow, what keen thinking - that thought never came to my mind.

The same group did the same with Reagan too.

The mainstream media is never wrong. Ask Dan Rather. [/b][/quote]
dan rather is far from mainstream, he also doesnt have a job;)

i am anti bush because he has no idea what he is doing domestically. [/b][/quote]
Domestically he is a total fuck up.

Internationally he is dangerous.

Could you Americans try and keep him focused on domestic matters for the next 3 yrs?

i am anti bush because he has no idea what he is doing domestically. [/b][/quote]
Oh, but Grimm, how can you say that, when he's solved the social security crisis, eliminated the deficit through taxcuts, and gotten rid of some of that pesky en-vi-ro-men-tal red tape that's holding us all back from being the best that we can be!

For the record, i have heard it from your mouth that Joe McCarthy was "a great man." not the self serving power hungry man with an agenda that plunged America into an unneccessary furvor over "reds". THE COMMIES ARE IN THE BUSHES, HIDE, TURN IN YOUR FRIENDS!

Pro integration? you are a communist, a hollywood screenwriter, a teacher, a free thinker, PINKO!


;)

That is him - remember his funeral last year?

:lol: [/b][/quote]
what does his funeral have to do with anything?

again, nick, the point being? its not as if Americans don't know these things. But that is no reason to pull out of what has become a successful endeavor, no matter how it started. making arguments against the current campaign based on its original merits is the same thing as arguing that we should stop in the intersection because we ran a stop light.

you betcha,
today is my
"go get 'em all" day
;)

http://www.winetalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1300

P.S. Michael and me have a pent up demand,
even before we have left for Spain, we signed the Boca Accord-
no political discussions on the trip!
;) [/b][/quote]
serge, between you two, i was worried how that flight would make it:) i sent michael a package lol:)

again, nick, the point being? its not as if Americans don't know these things. But that is no reason to pull out of what has become a successful endeavor, no matter how it started. making arguments against the current campaign based on its original merits is the same thing as arguing that we should stop in the intersection because we ran a stop light. [/b][/quote]
No it fucking isn't.

Unless you arte on a loop running the stop signs!!!!

More soldiers will be killed today.

And what for?


Dear Mrs ___ ,

Your son died today for no fucking reason whatsoever

Domestically he is a total fuck up.

Internationally he is dangerous.

Could you Americans try and keep him focused on domestic matters for the next 3 yrs? [/b][/quote]
I dont think he is dangerous internationally. quite contrary, i think countries like canada and france are more dangerous in their refusal to nip problems in the bud. they have such a wonderful track record of hiding their heads in the sand and hoping that everything will be alright. at least britain understands how instability can lead to terrible things, and they are a hell of a lot closer to the region.

No it fucking isn't.

Unless you arte on a loop running the stop signs!!!!

More soldiers will be killed today.

And what for?


Dear Mrs ___ ,

Your son died today for no fucking reason whatsoever [/b][/quote]
hate to break it to you nick, but we have an all volunteer army. every soldier knows the risk and still signs up, even today. it is bad losing soldiers in war, but that is what happens in war. It happens all the time in peace as well. in fact, more soldiers die of late in peace than in war.

stopping a working endeavor because knowing and responsible lives my be lost is not a good argument. sure it tugs your heartstrings, but it makes no sense at all.

I dont think he is dangerous internationally. quite contrary, i think countries like canada and france are more dangerous in their refusal to nip problems in the bud. they have such a wonderful track record of hiding their heads in the sand and hoping that everything will be alright. at least britain understands how instability can lead to terrible things, and they are a hell of a lot closer to the region. [/b][/quote]
Hiding there head in the sand?

Course they fucking do!!!!

The leading cause of death in the last 20 yrs to Canadian Service men are American Service off there faces on amphetimines men bombing them !!!





(mmmmm , amphetimines)

;-))

wasnt that stalingrad?:) [/b][/quote]
no

hate to break it to you nick, but we have an all volunteer army. every soldier knows the risk and still signs up, even today. it is bad losing soldiers in war, but that is what happens in war. It happens all the time in peace as well. in fact, more soldiers die of late in peace than in war.

stopping a working endeavor because knowing and responsible lives my be lost is not a good argument. sure it tugs your heartstrings, but it makes no sense at all. [/b][/quote]
75% of your Army had the following career choices....

Unemployment
Crime
Forces.

1) we haven't been to Italy, we were in Spain
2) we haven't talked politics, period, we signed the pact just before we have left.

be fair, conservatives drink the kool aid and read off the same cue cards as every other conservative, just like the liberal side does. both sides are droids. to be a truly independant thinker you have to shut off the tv, no matter what your views are.

75% of your Army had the following career choices....

Unemployment
Crime
Forces. [/b][/quote]
and yours?

1) we haven't been to Italy, we were in Spain
2) we haven't talked politics, period, we signed the pact just before we have left. [/b][/quote]
My brain is fried these days - I'm amazed I remembered you had gone on a trip together :awinky:

Good idea about the pact :)

I must ad that it is not actually the army fighting it is the reserves, in most cases, and they are refusing to let them out after their term is served as well.

also they are even calling up old reserves and making them go back. so the all volunteer part is a little misleading.

Me boring? Your have a lot to learn from Tom G from Winetalk.
He arguments his points better, more presize, executes better, has better oratorial skills, avoids using labels on his opponents. We learn somethinjg from each other and I am looking forward to the day I can learn something from you
:)

As for me changing my views of the world...sorry, I don't watch the same TV station, my mind is not influenced by "ANALysts" from neither left nor the right, neither in politics, nor the stock market and PERSONAL expereince is a good foundation for the views...beats FOX "ANALysts", CBC "ANALysts" ...being a "doer" since the age of 15 rather than "watcher" gives one more credible ammunition in life.

:nyanya: [/b][/quote]
Tom G. is experienced, experience trumps hearsay anyday, why i dont argue with Tom G.:)

read Tom Michael's father, http://winetalk.com, in Watering Hole, he has finesse and doesn't have labels! I learn a lot from him....you should too, he lives much closer to you!

No, they are calling them back and keeping them in accordance with the contract the reserve members signed.

Serge - I understand you are a doer.... I am but a mere lazy, ignorant, uneducated, barely successful cad, who cannot live up to his father's debating skills. Gosh I guess anytime my bubble will bust, and I will be forced to live on my parents porch again....



:lol:


One day Serge, I hope to be as big of a DOER as YOU think YOU are! Imagine what I could accomplish if I actually applied myself?? [/b][/quote]
the thought excites and scares me at the same time bro:)

and yours? [/b][/quote]
I'll have you know both of them are college educated!!!

serge, between you two, i was worried how that flight would make it:) i sent michael a package lol:) [/b][/quote]
I'd travel with Michael and katie any time!
"Opposites attract"
;)

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Tom G. is experienced, experience trumps hearsay anyday, why i dont argue with Tom G.:) [/b][/quote]
I do...and learn thru EXCHANGE of opinions.

I'll have you know both of them are college educated!!! [/b][/quote]
so they can tell a moose from a deer, right?:)

so they can tell a moose from a deer, right?:) [/b][/quote]
It means they can tell how many beers are in a 2-4.

so they can tell a moose from a deer, right?:) [/b][/quote]


Good question , so

I phoned them..

one was a Philosopy major and said "the important thing is that both the moose and the deer are self-aware"

The other was an Engineer and couldn't talk because he was busy cleaning the Jeep.

:)

Now can we get back on topic , which I believe , dementia taking a back seat , was

"MikeAI is a nazi bastard , who masterbates to pictures of George Bush"

Technically Mike is hardly a Nazi, Nazis are socialists and anti-religion. Mike is Anti-Nazi:)

Technically Mike is hardly a Nazi, Nazis are socialists and anti-religion. Mike is Anti-Nazi:) [/b][/quote]
Valid point.

But we are agreed , that he is a bastard and masterbates to pictures of George Bush?

but is it JUSTYFIABLE????
;0))))

Uhhh ... no. Not only no, but hell, no.

The reserves are members of the Armed Forces. Like any other member of the Armed Forces, they are subject to having their enlistments (contractual obligation, in the case of khaki-clad cocksuckers, er, officers) extended in times of emergency.

Reserve obligations don't always involve drills. If you enlist or accept a commission in any of the services for a four-year hitch, the contract you sign is for six years. If you retire from the military, you are automatically in the reserves until 55 (I think).

They are as much volunteers as anyone else. The Reserves of George W. Bush, where you could count on not being sent to war and not bother to show up if it inconvenienced you, have been gone since the mid-70s.

To masterbate to pictures of George Bush???

Uhhh ... no. Not only no, but hell, no.

The reserves are members of the Armed Forces. Like any other member of the Armed Forces, they are subject to having their enlistments (contractual obligation, in the case of khaki-clad cocksuckers, er, officers) extended in times of emergency.

Reserve obligations don't always involve drills. If you enlist or accept a commission in any of the services for a four-year hitch, the contract you sign is for six years. If you retire from the military, you are automatically in the reserves until 55 (I think).

They are as much volunteers as anyone else. The Reserves of George W. Bush, where you could count on not being sent to war and not bother to show up if it inconvenienced you, have been gone since the mid-70s. [/b][/quote]
So have you been called up?

Or are you excused on the grounds of being "really annoying"?

;-)))