And they are well within their rights not to process what they do not want to process.


THERE IS NO CENSORSHIP ISSUE HERE PEOPLE

MC does not want to be associated with some things in any way.

Just like Am Ex dumped all adult - MC has the right.

This only becomes a censorship issue IF Mastercard is viewed as a monopoly. Seeing as VISA and Mastercard have some of the same people on the board, they're virtually one operation in my opinion. They also have a very large majority of the market for (online) creditcard processing.

If they were legally considered a monopoly (which you surely dont need 100% of the market to be considered) then they shouldn't be allowed to do this.

As far as I know, they're not considered a monopoly though, so there is no
censorship issue.

Whether or not they SHOULD be looked upon as a monopoly is another question however.

The Paycom Vs. MasterCard case might give a hint how the courts look at it...

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/g...770&newsLang=en

:unsure:

Theres a big hop skip and a jump from a low budget B Horror film and a no budget 'reality' vid. say I go off and get 100 snuff or rape vids are you sure you could tell they were all faked?

the question would be how many are faked! [/b][/quote]
obviously you aren't ignorant of the Guinnea Pig series of movies...or Men Behind The Sun....what about "Bad Cop, No Donut" or "Scrapbook"?
I can purchase the entire Guinnea Pig series with a mastercard (if I were to ever carry one) but I couldn't put that same content behind a credit card protected area....
and why would it have to be "reality" porn?

Holy shit, I can order the whole Guinnea Pig boxset (er, if I didn't already own it ;-)) from amazon.com (and could even use a mastercard to purchase it)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...&s=dvd&n=507846

obviously you aren't ignorant of the Guinnea Pig series of movies...or Men Behind The Sun....what about "Bad Cop, No Donut" or "Scrapbook"?
I can purchase the entire Guinnea Pig series with a mastercard (if I were to ever carry one) but I couldn't put that same content behind a credit card protected area....
and why would it have to be "reality" porn?

Holy shit, I can order the whole Guinnea Pig boxset (er, if I didn't already own it ;-)) from amazon.com (and could even use a mastercard to purchase it)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...&s=dvd&n=507846 [/b][/quote]
"DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT BUYING THIS UNLESS YOU ARE HIGHLY TOLERANT OF GORE AND REVOLTING IMAGERY ..EVEN THOSE WHO THINK THEY LIKE THIS SORT OF THING MAY HAVE TROUBLEWATCHING IT."

obviously you aren't ignorant of the Guinnea Pig series of movies...or Men Behind The Sun....what about "Bad Cop, No Donut" or "Scrapbook"?
I can purchase the entire Guinnea Pig series with a mastercard (if I were to ever carry one) but I couldn't put that same content behind a credit card protected area....
and why would it have to be "reality" porn?

Holy shit, I can order the whole Guinnea Pig boxset (er, if I didn't already own it ;-)) from amazon.com (and could even use a mastercard to purchase it)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...&s=dvd&n=507846[/b][/quote]

All though they are all very graphic films made on a tiny budget there is nothing that makes me think that any of it is real, even the most extreme pictures from "Flower of flesh and blood" only make me ask I wonder how did they do that with such a small budget.

At no time do I for a second think anything but make-up and cheap affects. I'm sure if I could see stills from the 8mm film it was based on I would have a much different opinion.

All though they are all very graphic films made on a tiny budget there is nothing that makes me think that any of it is real, even the most extreme pictures from "Flower of flesh and blood" only make me ask I wonder how did they do that with such a small budget.

At no time do I for a second think anything but make-up and cheap affects. I'm sure if I could see stills from the 8mm film it was based on I would have a much different opinion. [/b][/quote]
well, Charlie Sheen obviously believed in the effects enough...he actually turned this movie into authorities as what he thought was a snuff film

I might have to screen these movies at an upcoming webmaster event :)

And they are well within their rights not to process what they do not want to process.


THERE IS NO CENSORSHIP ISSUE HERE PEOPLE
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exactly.

well, Charlie Sheen obviously believed in the effects enough...he actually turned this movie into authorities as what he thought was a snuff film

I might have to screen these movies at an upcoming webmaster event :) [/b][/quote]
but Charlie Sheen would come under the "would not know water from salt" catagory in my opinion. Interesting though.

but Charlie Sheen would come under the "would not know water from salt" catagory in my opinion. Interesting though. [/b][/quote]
I just think there is a big difference between the staging of "extreme content" and actually showing "extreme content"

what if I used a CGI horse cock in a beasty vid? (ever see the movie Freddie Got Fingered?)

I just think there is a big difference between the staging of "extreme content" and actually showing "extreme content"

what if I used a CGI horse cock in a beasty vid? (ever see the movie Freddie Got Fingered?) [/b][/quote]
I have no problems with the showing of staged extreme content. its the showing of the real deal extreme content that angers me.

As for CGI thats a new ball game indeed! Im not touching that one yet but Freddie Got Fingered is a funny film. some parts I dont get but watching it a few more times will fix that.

The funny thing is, it was also "the other way around". there were lots of mags which had pics of underage boys displayed nude or semi-nude, etc. but they weren't illegal (yet). It's one of the things Paul Reubens (Pee Wee Herman) got in trouble for: they found a bunch of mags from the ?1950's? in his house with this type of content.

If the CC companies hadn't been pushing (and I do mean pushing........ giving CC's to school kids to get them "hooked" etc.) cards to people who never should have been issued in the first place, they wouldn't be in so much trouble and wouldn't need to be lobbying so hard to change the Bankruptcy Laws. They dug this hole for themsleves, and now are crying to be bailed out of it.

And they long ago learned to do it at the edge of a cliff so that the sheep pushes back!!!!!

And they long ago learned to do it at the edge of a cliff so that the sheep pushes back!!!!! [/b][/quote]
Wellies and velcro gloves :yowsa:

If there's a 2257 link on the front page showing that there are MODEL RELEASES AND ID'S ON FILE, how could anyone think it isn't simulated?

Wellies and velcro gloves :yowsa: [/b][/quote]
Nah, you just put their rear legs into your boots.

Ever been to a site without a 2257 that has adult content? I have been to hundreds!

I'd be curiuos to see a list of sites which had Mastercard as their processor and didn't have 2257 info, where Mastercard was now going to pull their processing because of the new rules.

I'd be curiuos to see a list of sites which had Mastercard as their processor and didn't have 2257 info, where Mastercard was now going to pull their processing because of the new rules. [/b][/quote]
Your fucking joking right?

You obviously didn't get my point.


(But what about my joking?).

Be careful Brad might make fun of you as our next employee.

If you read where I post the most, you'll see I'm pretty good at holding my own* when it comes to making fun.

* how's that for a straight line setup?

If you read where I post the most, you'll see I'm pretty good at holding my own* when it comes to making fun.

* how's that for a straight line setup? [/b][/quote]
Post count doesnt matter no matter how much Jizzy and JuicyTwinks tells you it does.

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKIN WITH ME!

Do not tell me your in the content game and are so fuckin clueless!

What do you only hit the se's lookin for a cheap filghts or to see how your site ends up in a whole pile of queries? never done a typo(purpus-o) and seen crazy shit?

Someone could shit on your ma and find a way to sell it to you!

It don't last long but it is there!

Didn't say anything about post count.

And I seriously doubt anyone here has any clue as to the board I was referring to (at least until you get around to reading your PM's)..

Can I recommend a good ESL course? (or better yet, a logic course?).

Didn't say anything about post count.

And I seriously doubt anyone here has any clue as to the board I was referring to (at least unitl you get around to reading your PM's).. [/b][/quote]
I need to clean those out. They dont come up like they used to. Probably cuz it stays full. Ill delete all those nasty ones from that fat old hag Confucy about her masterbating with a hairbrush to me in the fur coat and that should clean things out.

Can I recommend a good ESL course? (or better yet, a logic course?). [/b][/quote]
For you or for me? Coz kid if the best thing you could bring here is 2257 then your better off just tucking your legs up your ass and rolling away!

Let me know if you need it re-sent (but please look because I don't feel like re-doing it).

I am saying that nobody else should have the right to say what I can look at as long as it is legal under the laws where I live. In Japan for example, that includes Rape fantasies and in other countries Animal Sex.

You jumped from simulated rape to Rape, since when did a photographic recreation of a crime become the same thing as the crime itself? Photos of murders are not murder, check out most movies in existance and you will find one thing in common... ACTORS.

Fantasy is just that, fantasy...as in not real. If we in this business can't make a convincing argument of this (especially to ourselves) then we are doomed as our opponents will soon be using the inverse to destroy us.

MasterCard and Visa are supposed to approve or decline transactions, not morals.

(EDIT - typo.) [/b][/quote]
I didn't jump from simulated rape to rape.

you jumped from rape to simulated rape.

the list said rape.

not simulated rape.

you jumped from photos of murder to movies about murder.

a photo of a murder is not fantasy, its evidence.

one of us would have trouble making a convincing argument in court or the media, and it isn't me.

Visa and mastercard are not *supposed* to do anything. They are a business and can choose who or what they will process whenever they please and they can interpret the laws as vaguely as they like in proportion to how much they pay their lawyers.

Rape is wrong. Simulated rape fantasies I am ok with. I understand there are issues but like you alluded to there are issues with any kind of porn - even 18 year old teens.

Animal sex? What can I say? I've only seen one bestiality clip and it was pretty interesting to watch though I almost got sick when the donkey's cum exploded out of the girl's mouth. Consent? The donkey definitely looked like it was having a good time. I mean, it was getting its dick sucked and it wasn't tied down or trying to walk around or anything. Fuck, where are the consent forms for horseback riding? That's animal exploitation too. I can live with that. To tell you the truth, I ate cow yesterday and drank a glass of milk. Wanna see some footage of cow milking? Nice teets.

Mastercard can do whatever what they want. I dont have any issue with MC's decision. [/b][/quote]
Good points about horse riding etc ... we do lots of things to animals and other people that we don't stop to get consent for ... no point arguing whether that is right or wrong because its not going to change in our lifetimes.

but on the subject of the animal enjoying it ....

that is such a copout of an excuse ... ok, there may be some animals who get pleasure from this, but using that as an all encompassing excuse borders on animal abuse.

for example ... female dogs, when they are ready to have sex, go on heat. the blood provides lubrication as female dogs have no natural lubrication at all. When a male human being sticks his dick in an unlubricated dog, do you think the bitch is getting pleasure from this?! same in reverse for a male dog, they don't carry that little pink lipstick around in its own little protective case for nothing!

Perhaps the donkey enjoyed it ... did he tell you over a beer at the pub afterwards?!

When I mentioned RSPCA and PETA as what should be a beastiality producers biggest fear ... I wasn't joking.

When the bitch says no she means no. (edit. The female dog, not CJ ;-) )

CJ's tips for bestiality content producers: Please use lube.

Wow CJ... you intentionally (I hope) missed every point I made. Yes the list says rape sites but we both know that they are referring to rape fantasy sites containing simulated rape depictions.

Ignore the issues and argue the minutia right CJ? You'll be the one arguing about the color of the hose as this industry burns to the ground.

I guess next you'll either tell me how you own3d me or how damb good looking you are.

its thier ball and they can take it and go home any time the feel like it.

Nah, you just put their rear legs into your boots. [/b][/quote]
Not *that* is funny! :)

Seriously though, I thought snuff was illegal pretty much anywhere. So that was a no-brainer.

Its not wise to taunt the "Thunder from Down Under" ... even if you are on a dsl line.

Not taunting... showing the same lack of respect I was shown.

Its not wise to taunt the "Thunder from Down Under" ... even if you are on a dsl line. [/b][/quote]
This is solid advice :-)

Duck and cover, Grump

Not so much of a lack of respect so much as she will tell you what she thinks no matter who you are.

What is it you do Grump?