you got Georgia Breeding Hormones in you. Stronger than Louisiana breeding hormones, but nothing compared to Mexican Breeding Hormones. [/b][/quote]

Damn, I thought if the pill could stop the Eskimo breeding hormones it could stop anything ;) I've been skipping my periods and its so great I can't believe I havent always done it. The doctors Ive asked all say its fine although I do wonder if it might be bad for me. All I know is that Im not "sick" for a couple days a month anymore! :)

Esa, what kind are you taking? I can't remember what I was on (I'm sure I have a pack somewhere because I get them free from my Mom) but I always thought it was too weak a pill.

I suffer from impressions...
;)

Oddly, about one third of the world population has a "hiatal hernia" - the actual cause of acid reflux, or to be more accurate esophageal reflux. Most people will live their entire lives not knowing they have this condition. A few, like myself, aren't so lucky.

Mine raged into a full blown Class A Hiatal Hernia back in 1990. It was so bad that it became rare for me to eat a meal without my esophagus fully seizing and my having to vomit the food back up until the spasms subsided. Eventually, the docs gave in to my "whining" and agreed to perform a Nisson Fundoplasty (sp?).

They opened me up, attached a plastic ring to the bottom of my esophagus and stitched the upper part of my stomach around the ring - thus creating a new valve. They also put a few sutures in my diaphragm to tighten up the hole the esophagus passes thru (the diaphragm is actually the "sphincter" you refered to earlier).

And... the procedure worked. Well, to date about 95% of the time. I still get flare ups occasionally and they suck when they happen. It literally feels like you are having a heart attack.

Yet, I agree with you about the pharm companies pitching their wares to *everybody* that gets a little heartburn occassionally is insane.

Damn, I thought if the pill could stop the Eskimo breeding hormones it could stop anything ;) I've been skipping my periods and its so great I can't believe I havent always done it. The doctors Ive asked all say its fine although I do wonder if it might be bad for me. All I know is that Im not "sick" for a couple days a month anymore! :) [/b][/quote]
do you skip first period, so you can sleep in, or last period so you can go home early?:)

salvador daliism, acute clinical impressionism;)

:pearl: :pearl: :pearl: :pearl: :pearl: :pearl: :pearl: :pearl: :pearl: :pearl:

Oddly, about one third of the world population has a "hiatal hernia" - the actual cause of acid reflux, or to be more accurate esophageal reflux. Most people will live their entire lives not knowing they have this condition. A few, like myself, aren't so lucky.

Mine raged into a full blown Class A Hiatal Hernia back in 1990. It was so bad that it became rare for me to eat a meal without my esophagus fully seizing and my having to vomit the food back up until the spasms subsided. Eventually, the docs gave in to my "whining" and agreed to perform a Nisson Fundoplasty (sp?).

They opened me up, attached a plastic ring to the bottom of my esophagus and stitched the upper part of my stomach around the ring - thus creating a new valve. They also put a few sutures in my diaphragm to tighten up the hole the esophagus passes thru (the diaphragm is actually the "sphincter" you refered to earlier).

And... the procedure worked. Well, to date about 95% of the time. I still get flare ups occasionally and they suck when they happen. It literally feels like you are having a heart attack.

Yet, I agree with you about the pharm companies pitching their wares to *everybody* that gets a little heartburn occassionally is insane. [/b][/quote]

yep, 100% correct.. what you had is a bad condition to have a serious problem that requires a serious drug treatment for symptoms, or an invasive procedure to correct, sounds like it sucked, i am glad the surgury was a success!

hiatual hernia is true acid reflux.. the rest is just heartburn... food allergies, or eating so much that the stomach pocket is full and peptic acid can overpower the esophogeal valve. "turning off" the peptic acid "pumps" is not only not a cure, but impairs proper digestion. The medicine is way overprescribed, and the OTC version is way overused... and can mask a REAL problem like you have. i agree 100%. its the damn companies that parade their ads thousands of times a month.

If you suggest enough damn symptoms, your going to get a yes eventually:)

"you know, i was a little sleepy the other night, maybe i should see my doctor about new prescription such and such, after all, it was on during the super bowl"

what kills me most is viagra....it is very trendy in the younger overusers of certain stimulants to ensure "performance" after a night of partying. i cant imagine what the % revenue Pfizer gets off of the club crowd. now thats nuts.

hahah, yeah he does

we've had problems getting him signed up for sports because of his lack of communication, but I've tried music and that's helped a lot

he wouldn't play for you, but he played at a recent school pageant....he played "Iron Man" and got me in trouble (I'm the VP of the PTO board and ok'd the song for the pageant ;-)) but the music has definitely helped during his higher stress times...

I'm also thinking of taking him down to the local karate school and enrolling with him and do it as a father-son thing and see if that helps as well [/b][/quote]
yeah man, that would rock. :)

Esa, what kind are you taking? I can't remember what I was on (I'm sure I have a pack somewhere because I get them free from my Mom) but I always thought it was too weak a pill. [/b][/quote]
Must be something good, to stop KC's supa dupa killer swimma's


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


HOOOORNK OOOOOOOOOOOOOGA

Peaches, before you try the Depo injections, ask your doc to put you on the pill version for a few months. If you have a bad reaction to the injection there is nothing you can do but wait the 3 months or it to wear off...at least with the pills if you have a bad reaction you just stop taking them. If after a couple of months you find they're doing the trick, then go for the injection.

And yes I've had depression in the past, post-natal twice, and once or twice with no apparent 'physical' cause...tho at the time my life was well and truly going to hell in a handbasket. I had medication each time...and came thru the other side.

For me depression is like being in a whirlpool...I seem to be going round and round and down and down and if it gets too far, I don't have the psychological strength to pull myself to the side where it's safe. Medication gives me that leg-up.

Peaches, Im on Apri but there are other brands with the same formula. http://my.webmd.com/hw/drug_data/d03782a1?...g_data/d03782a1


Grimm.... KC keeps saying that his swimmas are so strong that bukkake is the only way to prevent them from getting into trouble :D

wow, busy thread.....I've read almost every post....

I have suffered from post-natal depression with 3 of 4 of my children....the first time, not even knowing it for 2 years...it was hell. For my next child they preemptively put me on zoloft at 7 months pregnant. For my last child I refused preemptive medication and started on effexor as soon as she was born.

I do know that post-natal depression is VERY real....at least it is for me. My hormones have wreaked havok on me since puberty and damned if they won't let up now....I just can't wait for menopause....that's all I've got to say.
:rolleyes:

KC got mad bukakke swimmas :)

First of all on the Depo, I have heard ALOT of bad things about that like consistent bleeding for literally 3 months before things stabilize. My ex went on it after we broke up (as naturally she became a TOTAL slut, anyways... lol) she had a 6 month period I was told by a neutral friend.. That would suck. I have heard the same from other woman about not only that but other side effects.

I Like the fact that nowadays people discuss this type of thing more openly and it is considered mroe 'socially acceptable'. 10 years ago I NEVER Would of admitted I suffered from agoraphobia at all at ANY point of my life, not even depression, or social anxiety. I do however think that doctors jump on the "you have depression, take this pill" bandwagon due to drug companies paying them off in ceertain ways to do so. My girlfriend went in about cold sores, and was sent home with anti-depressants being told her depression was causing stress which causes the cold sores? WTF ??? Needless to say she never took them. LOL

I agree with your post Grimm, I never knew you had a background in this type of material and the discussion is interesting. The barrier was in fact the front door and the sense of relief I had when I got through that was OVERWHELMING. I had a TRUE BIPOLAR HIGH and add in a MASSIVE NATURAL HIGH lol. That is when I started appreciating life for what it was.

As far as your statement about true agoraphobia, maybe I don't have True Agoraphobia but just had a short term version of it which was actually social anxiety made more serious by the fact I never left the house. The house was my comfort zone socially speaking.

"Agoraphobia has genetic links, can be tied to drug use, especially stimulants, or other drugs which consistantly cause a severe paranoid reaction. "

My dad had serious problems and was a heavy drug abuser. Let's just say I had a 5 gram a day coke habit for over a year in a row, I nearly lost my life, LITERALLY to that drug. So again, you are right. Glad I have been clean for over a year now.. Even though stimulants aggraviated me so much and made me feel anxiety every time I did them I was drawn to them, was very weird.

As far as going off the Paxil, I went off it because it made me feel so lousy while I was on it. Metallica taste in mouth, increases anxiety, you name it. I honestly think my social phobia is quite simply due to me not having a social life any more except for a few friends and my small comfort zone. I think the Bi-Polar is about as real as it gets and I should be on a mood-stabilizer but they have more negative effects than positive on my life, and as all BI-Polars I enjoy the highs and since I can handle them without them having an adverse effect on my life I choose to take just an anti-depresant to avoid the lows which I have more of a tendancy to hit.

Was the Effexor effective at all? It is fairly mild SNRI (Selective noropenephrine reuptake inhibitor) at lower doses, but at high doses, it is about as effective as a protein inhibitor as anything.

ex girlfriend was on a relatively low dose and felt little or no effect.

Post Natal depression is some serious stuff:( Not very much is known about it, there are a lot of theories.

lightweight ;-))))


Seriously though this is a fascinating thread.

LOL, I was working my way up to what's his names character in "BLOW" where the doc tells him he basically has 5 grams of blow in his blood at all times, but I realized I may have tolerance, but that is SUICIDE !!!!

I can honestly say "Those were the best of times, and the worst of times". I would NEVER do it over again though.

And I agree about this thread being very interesting, in fact Grimm I shot you a PM please reply at your leisure :)

One time we seriously considered buying a key , for our own consumption , in order to save money.......

Crazy fucked up times....

but we survived it.

Problem is...I really don't know what would happen if someone had some and passed the plate.

I like to think I'd say no.

Hell I've been teetotal too since Sept 8th.

I managed to fight the temptation....
but couldn't resist my stripper addiction....
I think yayo would have been cheaper...

I resemble that remark ...

well as far as the cold sore goes.. stress, drinking, and other factors weaken the immune system allowing the herpes symplex virus to present... but its a bit of a stretch to prescribe for it, when there are plenty of OTC symptom treatments, unless there was a severe stress or depression problem.


as for the drug habit, my aunt was the same way. did not leave her apartment for over a year..... acute onset of agoraphobia caused by consistant cocaine use over a long period of time. Glad you ended up better than she did:)

Severe bypolar disorder is generally treated with lithium. but an SSRI mood elevator topped with a mild anti convulsant to control the mania is common for slow cycle bipolar patients. prozac and depakote, basically.

a cocaine habit and the anxiety from being near it is just addiction man. It is not a pleasant thing.. you can never catch the first high. Eventually you realize it is making your life hell, but its a chemical addiction. Cold turkey is the only way to beat the physical.. change of lifestyle and understanding of the nature of addiction helps with the psychological end.

ive had heavier days than that;).. fortunately all long behind me.


this is a unique group of people with a common background, so the problems and issues, good and bad, will also share a commonality.

Effexor bad, very bad. Get up to 350 mg per day and then come off because it was turning you into a nice vegtable

and that's all I got to say about that



Peaches - I believe you said somethign about sex and food
I take that to imply there was a lot of eating going on

Was the Effexor effective at all? It is fairly mild SNRI (Selective noropenephrine reuptake inhibitor) at lower doses, but at high doses, it is about as effective as a protein inhibitor as anything.

ex girlfriend was on a relatively low dose and felt little or no effect.

Post Natal depression is some serious stuff:( Not very much is known about it, there are a lot of theories. [/b][/quote]
When I first started effexor I LOVED it...simply because I didn't get that 'stoned' feeling I got with so many other anti-depressants. I've been on Prozac (lasted a week), paxil (which worked for me, but still made me feel stoned), Zoloft (which was okay, but I ended up getting off it because of digestive side-effects) and now Effexor.

By FAR, I liked Effexor the best. I feel 'normal'. The others made me feel high and 'zoned out'.

As far as treating the depression, they all worked....and so does Effexor for me. Takes about 2 weeks to get into the swing of things, but I KNOW that I have that drug to thank for my sanity after my last pregnancy.

I was on 225's a day right after my pregnancy. Then, we had a family death and I (myself, without my doc's consent) put myself up to 300. I found in higher doses my brain was spinning and I found it hard to juggle my thoughts. After 1 month on 300, I went back down to 225 for another 6 months, and then weaned off. (a definite MUST for anyone taking ANY type of anti-depressant...been there done that.....NOT fun)

I did fabulous for the first 6 weeks, and then began to noticed a decline in my well being...from there it went completely down hill again, and FAST....2 weeks tops, I went from feeling great to feeling probably the worst I've ever felt. :( (this was also during the holidays, so that may have been a contributing factor)

I knew I had to go back on. That was 2 months ago. I opted for a lower dose this time and have been steady at 75 a day. It's just that little edge I need to keep me on the level....at least for now.

I would give ANYTHING to be free of the pills....however, my body disagrees...lol.

I completely feel Peaches' pain and frustration with her hormones and how they wreak havok on your body. It's so unfair!

I am EXTREMELY fertile....and I often wonder if the optimum (or, rather, BEYOND optimum) level of hormones for fertility play a role in post-partum depression.....

As for post partum in and of itself....with confidence, I can say it is VERY real.....

Grimm ... excellent posts & I agreed with so many points you made - few of us give our bodies the right tools to function right (the right diet, exercise and some time in the outdoors) so we're all going to get fucked up in some way at some time.

webmasters are a very unhealthy bunch - how many of us make toasted cheese foccacia's with avocado and ham at 4am? LOL or packets of cookies or savory snacks?! i know its not just me ;-))) I did that for a few years, eating just stupidly, and as a result I can't eat hardly any of those foods now!

I've never had a health problem in my life up until a few years ago, have always been athletic and eaten well - albeit with a wierd schedule thanks to the restaurant.

I made a huge change 1 day after visiting a naturopath, and was getting better within a month, after a year of doctors making up bullshit conditions that were nothing to do with what was causing them. Now I do a combination of yoga, eating lots of green vege's and beans, no bread, pasta or dairy, vegetable juice in the morning and as much sleep as my body needs.

every condition is the cause of some kind of chemical occurence in the body - too much yeast or too much acid are the cause of many forms of cancer. i'm a firm believer of food as medicine, and think it can cure almost anything. ;-)

Thanks for helping me hijack this thread and divert the subject to food....

Food is my vice, obviously.

My favorite late night snack is grilled ham and cheese. I love that period right after the holidays where there's honey baked ham left over in the fridge. Slap some of that on a piece of bread along with a couple of slices of cheese (or better yet Velveeta slices!), cover it with another piece of bread to make a samitch and shove it in a George Foreman Grill.

The Foreman Grill is the ultimate grilled cheese machine!

Thanks for helping me hijack this thread and divert the subject to food....

Food is my vice, obviously.

My favorite late night snack is grilled ham and cheese. I love that period right after the holidays where there's honey baked ham left over in the fridge. Slap some of that on a piece of bread along with a couple of slices of cheese (or better yet Velveeta slices!), cover it with another piece of bread to make a samitch and shove it in a George Foreman Grill.

The Foreman Grill is the ultimate grilled cheese machine! [/b][/quote]
You know the best is when we go for the big after midnight run....

Buffalo Chicken Tenders and one of those huge ass farmers omlettes with all that good stuff in there! I usually have a stack of pancakes for desert.

Last time we went I was still hungry so I go the turtle cheesecake!
Now thats good eatin!

Of course we've found this place that serves up 35 shrimp buffalo style. If you get an order of loaded fries to come along with that....you dont need dessert there. Makes a hungry man into a shrimp hunter!

And for those of us watching our girlish figures, we can take some shrimp home and have it for breakfast in the AM :)

I have to admit food is something I savor. I've never had a drug or alcohol addiction, but food is about as close to something I could OD on as it comes. And if you've seen me lately, I've been ODing a lot! :o

I think deep down inside, we knew bying a key would have been just absolute madness. Though, we coulda got it cheap! hahahaha

A bout 3 weeks at the new Hardrock Cafe Casino down here in Sfla, I was hanging with some music industry guys, and they had an ounce on their bedroom table.

Even with their joking around, cause they saw that 1000 mile stare I had with it, I said no, can you believe it? I can't myself.

Cocaine is one Hellf of a drug.

I'm seeing a nutrionist, and trainer. End of this year, I'm gonna look like the guy in your avatar. :)

You are so right, food is everything, or rather, lack of certain ones.

When I first started effexor I LOVED it...simply because I didn't get that 'stoned' feeling I got with so many other anti-depressants. I've been on Prozac (lasted a week), paxil (which worked for me, but still made me feel stoned), Zoloft (which was okay, but I ended up getting off it because of digestive side-effects) and now Effexor.

By FAR, I liked Effexor the best. I feel 'normal'. The others made me feel high and 'zoned out'.

As far as treating the depression, they all worked....and so does Effexor for me. Takes about 2 weeks to get into the swing of things, but I KNOW that I have that drug to thank for my sanity after my last pregnancy.

I was on 225's a day right after my pregnancy. Then, we had a family death and I (myself, without my doc's consent) put myself up to 300. I found in higher doses my brain was spinning and I found it hard to juggle my thoughts. After 1 month on 300, I went back down to 225 for another 6 months, and then weaned off. (a definite MUST for anyone taking ANY type of anti-depressant...been there done that.....NOT fun)

I did fabulous for the first 6 weeks, and then began to noticed a decline in my well being...from there it went completely down hill again, and FAST....2 weeks tops, I went from feeling great to feeling probably the worst I've ever felt. :( (this was also during the holidays, so that may have been a contributing factor)

I knew I had to go back on. That was 2 months ago. I opted for a lower dose this time and have been steady at 75 a day. It's just that little edge I need to keep me on the level....at least for now.

I would give ANYTHING to be free of the pills....however, my body disagrees...lol.

I completely feel Peaches' pain and frustration with her hormones and how they wreak havok on your body. It's so unfair!

I am EXTREMELY fertile....and I often wonder if the optimum (or, rather, BEYOND optimum) level of hormones for fertility play a role in post-partum depression.....

As for post partum in and of itself....with confidence, I can say it is VERY real..... [/b][/quote]
Gigi.. Post partum depression is very real. We just dont know what causes it.. there are a couple schools of thought, a hormonal reaction (even an ellergy). High levels of certain hormones exascerbate feelings of unsurity, or inadequacy, or fear for the child. psychological realizations of the finality of the birth of a child, or feelings regarding the changes, both mentally and physically,that come with it.. there are a bunch of theories. Nobody knows for sure, but Doctor's all take it very seriously.. it is a very severe condition.. only compounded by the guilt women have felt for a long time for feeling like that after experiencing a wonderful event (in the eyes of society). wrong stigmas put on the disease, for sure.




Anthony.... a key wasn't that much of a stretch. lol. thing is, that kind of weight can get you a lot of time in a 5 X 6;) paranoia can save your ass lol

no offense anthony... but you could never look that..... gay?;)

Absolutely....societal pressures certainly have their place in making the depression worse due to guilt....

Are there adequate studies being done on post-natal depression? I get the idea that doctors are aware of it, but there are not enough studies out there trying to figure out why it happens. I feel like doctors just throw medication at it and hope for the best. I mean, ultimately, medications are just a bandaid, and if we can discover the root of the problem, we may be able to stop it before it starts.

I won't go into the theory that, in today's society, in general, men's dis-'ease's are tended to much quicker and more thoroughly than women's dis-'ease's....but, in this specific case, I am somewhat jaded and lean towards this idea. Especially because it is linked to mental illness. If a woman is feeling 'blue' the doc throws her some pills...if a man is 'blue', they do a bunch of tests first and try to discover the root of the problem before medicating.....

Absolutely....societal pressures certainly have their place in making the depression worse due to guilt....

Are there adequate studies being done on post-natal depression? I get the idea that doctors are aware of it, but there are not enough studies out there trying to figure out why it happens. I feel like doctors just throw medication at it and hope for the best. I mean, ultimately, medications are just a bandaid, and if we can discover the root of the problem, we may be able to stop it before it starts.

I won't go into the theory that, in today's society, in general, men's dis-'ease's are tended to much quicker and more thoroughly than women's dis-'ease's....but, in this specific case, I am somewhat jaded and lean towards this idea. Especially because it is linked to mental illness. If a woman is feeling 'blue' the doc throws her some pills...if a man is 'blue', they do a bunch of tests first and try to discover the root of the problem before medicating..... [/b][/quote]
Personally, i think the bias is the age old "women are more emotional" crap. If a woman is feeling depressed, they are "moody", while men often don't discuss such things until it becomes such a weight that they are dangerous ton themselves or each other, or lose their job, wife, family, etc... so the bias might exist because physicians tend to only see the very worse of the illness in men.

Also, the whole "hormone" thing, which is frightening when you consider these people went to medical school, and should be well aware that every chemical that exists in women, exists in one form or another in men. the Y chromosome doesnt negate the effect of such things;)

It is much easier for any medical professional to quick diagnose and treat, or be quick on the referral to someone else. The health care system is a cattle call.. and is getting worse.. this is HUGE as the largest generation retires and gets old, and the bigger ones are coming down the pipe..Health insurance premiums are going through the roof. Medical malpractice insurance is ridiculous. Doctor's feel comfortable just going about the same old patterns, as there is relatively low risk to them or the patient, and if they pass the buck, the problem is no longer theirs.



As far as studies for post natal or post partem depression. sure, there are lots going on. But those things take time, and willing participants.

Yes, it always amazes me when people complain about the high cost of prescriptions, but many of the top used/most expensive prescriptions could be cut down substantially with taking care of yourself both physically and with mental therapy.

Agreed on all fronts......

Yes, it always amazes me when people complain about the high cost of prescriptions, but many of the top used/most expensive prescriptions could be cut down substantially with taking care of yourself both physically and with mental therapy. [/b][/quote]
Very, very true. I KNOW that there are lifestyle changes I could make that would alleviate at least SOME of my issues.....exercise is a HUGE one for me....exercise elevates seratonin levels which would certainly help in my case. :ph34r:

You know the best is when we go for the big after midnight run....

Buffalo Chicken Tenders and one of those huge ass farmers omlettes with all that good stuff in there! I usually have a stack of pancakes for desert.

Last time we went I was still hungry so I go the turtle cheesecake!
Now thats good eatin!

Of course we've found this place that serves up 35 shrimp buffalo style. If you get an order of loaded fries to come along with that....you dont need dessert there. Makes a hungry man into a shrimp hunter! [/b][/quote]
*shaking head*

those 2 posts were like standing in front of a paraplegic and bouncing about on both legs saying 'man i love walking and hopping and skipping'.

all I got to say is .....

fermenting food. its gonna really hurt one day.