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Opti 11-22-2004 03:30 AM

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Originally posted by cj+Nov 22 2004, 06:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Nov 22 2004, 06:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Technick@Nov 21 2004, 11:06 PM
That's not the point CJ. if a person's safety is at risk the schools should do their job and protect their students. What about students who aren't gay whose safety is at risk? Where do they go? Don't go separating the victims.....why not pull the bullies out and put them in a special school?
good idea technick, why don't they do that?

have a think about who the bullies are ... usually football team, usually the biggest revenue generator for the school. popular kids, attractive kids, rich kids etc ... all 'valuable' to a school community.

I can't believe, as a human being - nothing to do with your sexuality - that you think its better for kids to drop out of school or be beaten up than it is to give them an opportunity to learn somewhere they would be nurtured ...

If there was a school for fat kids - what would be the weight cut off? 10 pounds overweight? 20 pounds overweight? There are already schools for black kids, even if they aren't officially labelled as so ... There are schools for kids who are good at music, computers, chess etc ... there are schools for kids with learning disabilities ... there are schools for kids with down syndrome and schools for kids who are deaf.

How is a gay school different from a chess club or a sporting team where people with similar interests get together to learn about and live life?

People group together based on their interests in life - it happens as adults so what's wrong with it happening as a teenager?

What about san francisco or oxford st sydney? Gay people live, work and play in segretated communities all the time ...

THAT'S LIFE! Not being forced to do something that is harmful to your life or counter productive to your happiness.

You seem to WANT people to be put through hell just to prove some stupid point about everyone being the same ....

newsflash - we aren't all the same ... [/b][/quote]
I'm also surpised to hear gay people say these kids should be forced to conform to a more "normal" standard of American education... no one said they cant choose to go to the regular schools did they?

CuriousToyBoy 11-22-2004 03:37 AM

I read this thread.

Started responding 5 times...

Stopped....

Them thought "No, fuck it".

I'm in the smallest of the minority groups...

A WHAMWASH ......



















White Heterosexual Male With A Sense Of Humor.

We quite successfully segregate ourselves.

Enuf said.

:ph34r:

grimm 11-22-2004 05:53 AM

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Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Nov 21 2004, 01:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Nov 21 2004, 01:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lee@Nov 21 2004, 01:20 PM
Its fucking stupid is what it is LOL

Next well be seeing all 'black' schools, all 'midget' schools and the likes.

My thoughts exactly. [/b][/quote]
oooh lesbian schools. with gym class, and maybe dodgeballl.

kath 11-22-2004 11:34 AM

*pops in to wave hello to Technick!*

How the hell are you? Great to see you here BTW! :bwave:








....sneaking out the back door and not touching this conversation....

Nickatilynx 11-22-2004 11:35 AM

This is now , officially , the gayest thread , ever! :)


;-)))

grimm 11-22-2004 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by Mike AI@Nov 21 2004, 02:58 PM
This makes no sense. All the gay guys in New Orleans went to Jesuit and Brother Martin!
and the really gay ones wrestled, or were cheerleaders

:lol: :ph34r: :ph34r: :lol:

grimm 11-22-2004 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by cj@Nov 21 2004, 07:23 PM
Nick, straight men are a bit different - they'd fuck anything :rolleyes:

But no, I don't think that ...

But the only time I separate human beings into groups of their sexuality is for marketing purposes ...

hell id fuck a snake if ya held it ;)

gigi 11-22-2004 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Nov 21 2004, 07:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Nov 21 2004, 07:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cj@Nov 21 2004, 06:58 PM
Nick, let me rephrase that ...

if A GROUP OF ADULTS worked together in a PROFESSIONAL environment (90% of employment situations) it would not be tolerated and would bring with it huge legal issues.

did you employ anyone who is gay? no ... you employed a bunch of the assholes that were the problem in public schools ... would anyone who is gay have been able to work in your environment? no way!! you probably would have all ignored him or incorrectly flattered yourself by thinking that he was trying to hit on you ... my point, he would have been treated differently.

when you beat each other up, its a case of all the bullies gathering together to behave childishly - all consenting - even the dickheads who stuck around to be treated like shit in the hope of making some bucks or getting free ... you know.

We are talking about situations where teenagers are *seriously* hurt because of who they are - not a bunch of 20 - 50 year old children whose work involves the fun activities in your office.

Adults have 'niche groups' of every kind - we have the choice whether or not to put ourselves into offensive situations ... why shouldn't teenagers have the same opportunities open to them?

let me post this while I wait for cj to be thrown off her high horse....



B

What about Anthony!!!! ;-))
[/b][/quote]
Anthony's gay? :biglaugh:

Nickatilynx 11-22-2004 02:16 PM

As parents say they want more done to protect children for school bullies, Haley Birks from County Durham tells how setting up her own anti-bullying project helped turn the bullies away.

"One day I just got sick of it, being ignored and that, and they'd been really nasty calling me names," says Haley, 15.

"I couldn't put a brave face on it any more, so I told a teacher and then it got worse because they thought I'd grassed them up.

"I was spat on, I had chewing gum put in my hair, letters were passed round the class about me, they used to sit outside my house in the evenings because they live nearby.

When the bullies realised I wasn't bothered any more, they eased off

Haley Birks
"It was really intimidating, I didn't want to go to school, I didn't want to go out and I was really scared, it was horrible."

The bullying went on for about a year, but what put a stop to it was Haley's idea to set up a special project to campaign against bullying.

She even received a grant of £600 from Community Education at Durham County Council to promote her work.

The work takes her into local feeder primary schools to talk about any concerns children may have about bullying and she takes lessons with Year 7 and 8 pupils at her school to get the anti-bullying message across.

Youth work

She is on the school anti-bullying committee and works as a peer mentor. She is currently planning a workshop for her local youth club.

"It's helped to build up my confidence and I've met loads of new people and made new friends.

"And when the bullies realised I wasn't bothered any more, they eased off."

Haley is taking her GCSEs next summer and hopes to go on to study A-levels and then to university.

But the year in which she was bullied certainly had an effect on her school work.

"My Sats results were not what they should have been.

"I had loads of catching up to do because I wasn't in lessons. I went to school, but I did my work in the library and missed lessons because I couldn't cope with it."

A safe haven

It was stories like Haley's that drove Cambridge-based educational consultant Dr Carrie Herbert to set up a charity to educate children who were missing school to avoid the bullies.

"I constantly found a child had stopped coming to school because they were being bullied," says Dr Herbert, who opened the Red Balloon centre in the city.

If we don't deal with bullying between the ages of 11 and 17, then we are storing up problems for the future

Dr Carrie Herbert
"A lot of children are bullied, a lot cope and put on a stiff upper lip or find it stops after a few weeks, but for some there's such a significant impact that they say they're not going to school."

Dr Herbert says the centre, which offers the usual academic curriculum alongside therapy and support work, takes children who are at their wits' end.

"I would say 50% of our children have attempted suicide. We take children who have really had it - reached the end of whatever tether they had."

To give some indication of how bad the bullying can be in some cases, Dr Herbert recalls how one child had been hit over the head so badly that he had to have a metal plate inserted.

Another boy had been forced to swallow a sharpened coin which made him very ill. He was too scared to tell his mother and doctor and it was only when he was x-rayed in hospital three weeks later that the problem came to light.


Dr Carrie Herbert: Angered by tales of bullying
And a strikingly pretty girl had been threatened with being slashed in the face because she was so attractive.

The Cambridge Red Balloon centre has 12 places for children aged between 12 and 16 years and the charity is planning to open three new centres in Norwich, Colchester and north-west London.

Children generally stay a year at the centre before being re-integrated into mainstream school.

Dr Herbert says it is crucial to stop bullying in schools so that lives are not ruined.

"It has a terrible effect on people's lives. I've met adults who say they don't form relationships, can't trust people, can't hold down a job and so on because they were bullied at school.

"If we don't deal with bullying between the ages of 11 and 17, then we are storing up problems for the future."

Dravyk 11-22-2004 06:50 PM

"The good thing about being bisexual is that it doubles your chance of a date on a Saturday night." - Woody Allen

Dravyk 11-22-2004 06:53 PM

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a question for straight guys ... when you are around a gay man, how many times do you think/act a certain way because you think that guy is going to hit on you because he likes men?
Nope. I figure I can't get laid by any gender. :D

Nickatilynx 11-22-2004 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by Dravyk@Nov 22 2004, 03:54 PM
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a question for straight guys ... when you are around a gay man, how many times do you think/act a certain way because you think that guy is going to hit on you because he likes men?
Nope. I figure I can't get laid by any gender. :D

Ain't that the...

No I'll leave that one ;-))))

cj 11-23-2004 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by Dravyk@Nov 22 2004, 06:54 PM
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a question for straight guys ... when you are around a gay man, how many times do you think/act a certain way because you think that guy is going to hit on you because he likes men?
Nope. I figure I can't get laid by any gender. :D

you've even got the award to prove it :P

Dravyk 11-23-2004 01:34 AM

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Originally posted by cj+Nov 23 2004, 12:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Nov 23 2004, 12:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Dravyk@Nov 22 2004, 06:54 PM
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a question for straight guys ... when you are around a gay man, how many times do you think/act a certain way because you think that guy is going to hit on you because he likes men?
Nope. I figure I can't get laid by any gender. :D

you've even got the award to prove it :P[/b][/quote]
I knew somebody would remember! :P


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