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and SykkBoy is the industry's favorite online writer (I wouldn't use the term "journalist") [/b][/quote] And if you wait until midnight and keeping hitting reload on your index page you can get to the top of the YNOT list for the first six hours!! :yowsa: |
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I'll let any affiliate that can send my pharma 200 joins a day , fuck me in the ass , if he sustains it for 3 mo0nths. Oh , and I'm a virgin. :) [/b][/quote] Is there a bottle of Absinthe included? Someone could pretend your the green fairy or something like that, yeah that's it and I didn't do it the check's in the mail and I won't ..... |
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Peaches and Sykkboy -- should we go ahead and let all of the Thumb TGPs out there know that they shouldn't use Weg, Purecash and Evil Genius Cash galleries because they dont want any of their pics being used as a preview thumb that might go someplace other than their gallery? :unsure: |
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as long as the thumb TGP is actively promoting the program, I'm quite flexible just like mailer traffic...if it's producing, it's easy to overlook a little heat.... let's make this about communication... email me sykkboy@evilgeniuscash.com if you wish to promote us on thumb TGP's and I'll work with you on it...no different than working with guys who promote us via Yahoo groups.... |
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as long as the thumb TGP is actively promoting the program, I'm quite flexible just like mailer traffic...if it's producing, it's easy to overlook a little heat.... let's make this about communication... email me sykkboy@evilgeniuscash.com if you wish to promote us on thumb TGP's and I'll work with you on it...no different than working with guys who promote us via Yahoo groups.... [/b][/quote] Cranking up a little Spin Doctors for SykkBoy.... I think Ill listen to "Little Miss Can't Be Wrong".... |
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hahaha everyone knows I'm flexible and let's be honest, we're all signup whores it's no different than if someone's mailing for me...let me know ahead of time and we can make sure you're not fucking us up.... same with hthumb TGP's, drop me an email and I'll take care of you... I hate surprises... |
So let me get this right .... because none of you understand the point peaches was trying to make, she is stupid and you are all geniuses?!?!?
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA Nick, if you had've SKIMMED right, you'd have retired by now and not still be here with us minions discussing whether thumbs should click to sponsors or other tgp's!!! Gonzo, if you had've built a paysite on your domain back in 94 when you registered it, you'd be retired too instead of posting here trying to convince us you know everything about tgp's!! Peaches is making a point here about how sponsors see the standard tgp 'SKIM' procedure and the problems it causes for them ... instead of trying to understand her point, you make smart assed comments about crayons and drawing diagrams and act like you have won some imaginary battle that is only happening in your heads?!?! Being that you are all planning on building some big fancy tgp to end all tgp's, wouldn't you think the smartest thing you could do at this point is LISTEN?! listen to EVERYBODY, not just those whose ideas support your theories?! Don't you want good sponsors with unique content in your tgp?! Don't you want profitable sponsors in your tgp?! Where my celeb content is concerned, I will not accept a tgp using the thumbs for the skim ... I'm happy to discuss alternative methods because i understand why the skim exists, I'll even code alternatives at our end if something else can be agreed upon, but for legal reasons, the thumbs can not be linked to anywhere else but these sites. I would explain the reasons further, why this is the most profitable for me & for the tgp, why it makes sense, why it is a smart business move, why it is legally necessary etc, but its clear how ya'all feel about appreciating someone else's position so why bother? Its no surprise that Nick only cares about 1 persons interests, but Gonzo, I thought you would at least try to consider the views of those who are outside looking in ... especially when those people have valuable knowledge that you don't possess yourself. It comes down to this .... there are more big tgp's than there are big sponsors these days. Finding the right one to work with has never been so important. 1000 unique visitors is still only 1000 unique visitors, even if it can be inflated to 100 000 clicks in a tgp circle jerk. While turning those 1000 visitors into 100 000 clicks is the core of a successful tgp & the smokes and mirrors game, it doesn't help the *sponsor* find the 1000 visitors and get them to make a purchase. I could list my upcoming galleries at 1 in every 50 tgp's and get almost the same amount of *people* visiting my site as those who submit to every single tgp out there ... If you've got a different perspective to share, I'm all ears, I love learning ... THANK YOU to HP, PD and sykkboy for your views and the way you shared them - very interesting & informative. :okthumb: |
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However I had zero chargebacks....we processed thru Teleflora among others or people mailed me a check or cash along with an application and a drivers license. ISDN was limited to 256K so even though I installed it...it never worked. Had it worked I would have found out like so many others did that netusers looking for porn saturated that line. It was as it is now...all about the traffic/numbers. Had Fred Clark and the rest of the boys at Salt Air BBS made the version of PCboard/Metaworlds actually work under OS/2 and delivered it... it could have been a different story. What you call cgi scripts we called doors. Prior to 93 I had everything from NGS [nasty grey shit] porn pics...animated .fli and grasprt films...a full dating service whith pics that tied into a horoscope system and several games [all running on ONE 286 at best box under DOS 5.0 and Desqview. 93 I added newsgroups which had 7 bit files which you converted to 8 bit which was as close as you could get to a paysite along with what you know as email [we didnt have @ signs we had a bang path with !'s in between]. It was all that free content that BBS Sysops uploaded to get people to call their systems. They used BIG old watermarks with their BBS name and number. Kind of the same comparison to this conversation as they were all glad for me to download them and make them availible for PAY to my users. It allowed the user to see that there was more out there than GonZoland BBS. Most of those early content producers [Lee Noga wasnt the first] we all knew personally and face to face. Some of the Big Boys were names like Rusty and Edies....granma and granpa running a HUGE server farm in their house under a T1..[got shut down when the Feds chopped the T1 in half with an axe for running and distributing pirated software. Novell didnt fuck around then either.] MacHenry, Windy City/The General, and Amatuer Action. Of course then there wasnt a any clicking going on ...Windows was out I think maybe v. 1.0...so we didnt have these complex issues. Damn I miss those days. Come home open the mailbox cash the check. Updates were automated machine ran without any intervention. Even back then though... I never claimed to know everything about those systems. Hell all the techies thought us Adult Sysops were the scum of the earth and we'd never make any money. Them internet domain names was a waste of time and resources... Im actually more accomplished at Picpost than I am TGP. And up until 4 months ago I was way behind on the TGP curve. What Ive learned since then is that its still about the traffic. If Ive offended anyone or made them feel belitted by making that point I am sorry. The Hun/Shemp/AL4A/World Sex... Im not... nor will I ever claim to be. I do know that TGP traffic is powerful stuff. Hell Ive been known to send it to my own paysites instead of another sponsors....as well as some AVS. Who knows your own traffic better than you? Working with it you can skim it...slice it...dice it and scatter and smother it if you want. I think they used to call skimming from a thumb to another group of thumbnails TGP2 or something. I remember that it was called cheating when I did it. My point is this. Traffic is essential to your business no matter how or what you are marketing. I hope at least a few of us can get together and effectively trade that traffic without fear of toolbars and other bullshit. If you cant sell it.....maybe I can and vice versa. Some of you want to submit to a TGP and actually get listed by following a few common sense rules that allow you to make a sale. We want to give you a place to do that as well. And last but not least all the sponsors want traffic. This accomplishes that as well. Its my personal goal to bring the users of this resource a tool that they can use. We hope to accomplish this with the TGP. |
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It means if a sponsor, ANY SPONSOR, like the guy who started this on the other board, doesn't want THEIR CONTENT used to go to another site, then you either DON'T DO IT, or you terminate the relationship between the two of you. Geeze, it just amazes me that you guys, especially since you're IN the content biz, are saying someone doesn't have the right to STOP doing business with someone who uses their content when they don't want them to! :unsure: Just for shits and grins, let's say stopping that TGP from using his content to send to other sites will bankrupt him the next day. WHY DO YOU CARE? It's HIS content! He has every right to tell you how he wants it used or to go pound sand. There are many people in this biz who make sacrifices for their beliefs. His beliefs are that he doesn't want his content, his own wife in this instance, used in the way it was being used so he exercised his right to cancel the affiliate. Would it be OK with you if someone used a thumb of your exclusive content to go to a bestiality TGP? What about a TGP with nothing but child porn? After all, it's all about "trading traffic" right? Those are rhetorical questions since based on what you've been fighting against, I'm not sure I want to hear the answers :( I'm not debating that it makes more money. I'm not debating that it's a good idea. I'm not debating that most if not all TGPs operate this way. Heck, I'm not even debating that the guy is cutting off his nose to spite his face. I'm debating the simple fact that in MY MIND, a content owner/sponsor has the right to terminate a relationship with ANYONE THEY WANT for any reason. Bottom line - if a sponsor doesn't care, then it's a non-issue and this would have NEVER come up. But in this case a sponsor DID care, terminated the relationship and demanded the thumbs be removed. Why on God's green earth you guys are so bent out of shape because this one guy doesn't want to play in your sandbox is beyond me. :blink: |
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Now, if the content owner says "Dude, no problem. Link my pictures to other TGPs and that's cool" that's one thing. Sure doesn't look like that's the situation here, though. [/b][/quote] Ok I definitely agree with the autoinstall thing. I know when we find tgps that are doing that shit, we pull their trades etc. That's not only bad for the surfer, it's bad business and you won't keep trades or traffic long doing that shit... however, if the trades are bring sent to good, productive tgps, chances are your gallery is going to be listed there too (I know the way a lot of people harvest tgps to submit to would dictate that this is a liklihood), so if they are going to click, they're going to click pretty much either way. And if a surfer wants to see what is behind a thumb badly enough, they simply go back on the browser and look anyways. They aren't stupid. How do I know this? I have access to a surfer board and I've asked them :P |
TGP, TGP Submitting etc is not a simple or quick process.. it's time-consuming, intensive, and for those who actually make money, requires thought and planning. The last person someone promoting a program wants to do is worry that their partner accounts are going to start recieiving cease and desist orders and their accounts are getting shut down because someone was unimpressed with a "skim" or traffic trade. The fact of the matter is, if a tgp is to grow, they need an infusion of traffic..and since nothing in life is free, it only makes sense that if you are getting traffic, you will be required to send traffic in return. This system ensure the continue productivity of tgps, and hence to the galleries listed there. Without clicks, no gallery will produce. Programs that make it more trouble than it's worth to submit galleries on their behalf simply won't be used. Why? Because there are 50 other programs that are willing to accept those 5 people who didn't get through to the gallery, maybe pushed the back button and had a 5 second inconvenience and actually looked at the gallery and clicked through to the site. TGP traffic can be an extremely valuable resource, however as soon as tgp owners are restricted and forced to comprimise the potential for c and ds or gaining traffic.. Well put yourself in their shoes. They already spend hours every day maintaining their system, in the cases of most large tgps.. If they have to sit and babysit and control every single spot and monitor every single gallery to ensure that someone who might not like it doesn't get "skimmed" or traded.. Well a few hours of work becomes 12, 15, 24 hours, considering the number of submissions the larger networks get. And are they supposed to keep a masterlist of the programs that don't want to be skimmed? Pretty soon it wouldn't be worthwhile at all. Comprimise is an important part of good business, but realizing when comprimise is moving in to the realm of sacrificing producitivity, profit, efficiency, etc, well.. It's not quite as worth it then.
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Knowing how I would choose to do business I am not going to be doing any trades with TGPs that have questionable content on them. I mean really, what would it benefit me to link to a CP TGP or a beasty TGP? It wouldn't benefit me at all and could potentially cause me quite a bit of drama I don't want. So, all my trades are going to other good TGPs. So I see Cleb Bling and go "OH OH OH! what great content. I think I will sign up as an affiliate and promote it heavily on my sites", using both galleries and banners. The galleries would include thumbs included on my fancy assed thumbs TGP. You would come along, click on the thumb a few times, get redirected to another legit TGP and promptly cancel my affiliate account? I am just curious because your answer will go a long way in determining who and how i promote other sponsors on my upcoming TGPs. As for me, both being a sponsor and working for a large sponsor, I have the opinion that a skim is acceptable, as long as it isnt promoting another sponsor or something along those lines. By all means list my galleries if you have a skim so long as the skim is limited to traffic trades with other TGPs/MGPs spaz :matey: |
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Knowing how I would choose to do business I am not going to be doing any trades with TGPs that have questionable content on them. I mean really, what would it benefit me to link to a CP TGP or a beasty TGP? It wouldn't benefit me at all and could potentially cause me quite a bit of drama I don't want. So, all my trades are going to other good TGPs. So I see Cleb Bling and go "OH OH OH! what great content. I think I will sign up as an affiliate and promote it heavily on my sites", using both galleries and banners. The galleries would include thumbs included on my fancy assed thumbs TGP. You would come along, click on the thumb a few times, get redirected to another legit TGP and promptly cancel my affiliate account? I am just curious because your answer will go a long way in determining who and how i promote other sponsors on my upcoming TGPs. As for me, both being a sponsor and working for a large sponsor, I have the opinion that a skim is acceptable, as long as it isnt promoting another sponsor or something along those lines. By all means list my galleries if you have a skim so long as the skim is limited to traffic trades with other TGPs/MGPs spaz :matey: [/b][/quote] Good post |
I know that most TGP owners are too lazy and "old school" ;-))) to do this, but if they really wanted to be safe, then just have 2 pages - one with trades/skimming/galleries, and another with just galleries... now put that high quality content thumb on the page with no skimming, and filter your traffic to go to each page - problem solved...
Yeah - I read the argument about replacing the sponsors with another one who didnīt mind skimming, however Iīm willing to bet that if the sponsor was the exclusive owner of the "Britney Spears fucking Bush, and Kerry - in a 3some with a strap on dildo" video, and the sponsor had hosted galleries, then many TGPs would find ways to combat their "old school" ideals about TGPs ;-))) Also who knows, what TGPs will learn, when they start filtering between 2 pages - one with the concept of trade and the other to sell... they might even make more money, if they get creative with their scripts instead of running on auto pilot ;-))) |
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Also, I do find it odd that a skim is fine for traffic trades, yet when we (as a sponsor) pop an exit console that the affiliate might not get 100% credit for, affiliates go insane and start shit on boards...hey, that's how WE trade traffic. So, simply email your sponsor, keep in contact with them (or at least your sales rep if the program has one). So many of these issues and so much of this drama on the boards could be avoided by simple communication...and, yes that works both ways, for the affiliate and sponsor. SO, want to use Evil Genius Cash on your Thumb TGP? Great, hit me up so I know our thumbs are ONLY being used for our galleries or traffic trades. Need other content? Custom content? Let's communicate. I'm flexible, I just don't like surprises.... I would ask the same respect from a mailer, yahoo group promoter, P2P marketer, "creative" marketer, etc. sykkboy@evilgeniuscash.com and let's talk traffic |
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Also, I do find it odd that a skim is fine for traffic trades, yet when we (as a sponsor) pop an exit console that the affiliate might not get 100% credit for, affiliates go insane and start shit on boards...hey, that's how WE trade traffic. So, simply email your sponsor, keep in contact with them (or at least your sales rep if the program has one). So many of these issues and so much of this drama on the boards could be avoided by simple communication...and, yes that works both ways, for the affiliate and sponsor. SO, want to use Evil Genius Cash on your Thumb TGP? Great, hit me up so I know our thumbs are ONLY being used for our galleries or traffic trades. Need other content? Custom content? Let's communicate. I'm flexible, I just don't like surprises.... I would ask the same respect from a mailer, yahoo group promoter, P2P marketer, "creative" marketer, etc. sykkboy@evilgeniuscash.com and let's talk traffic [/b][/quote] And I totally agree with you, communication is absolutely essential between sponsors/affiliates/tgps... I don't see why so many people are taking the "my way or the highway" attitude. I know for myself, a lot of my best traffic is tgp (and I have oodles), and I have many sponsors that come to me with new sites in order to brand them, and they continue to do so. Yes, the tgps pretty much all skim, but I can also guarantee they aren't going to a competitor's page, someplace with scumware, bullshit, or anything else. A program having control over their content is a must, however, people going crazy because of tgp trade scripts perhaps taking a few clicks from their gallery is a little ridiculous.. If people are so worried about it, they shouldn't allow counters on the same page as their content either, considering people do click on the counter. It's back to that whole comprimise thing, but of course, comprimise goes BOTH ways... I find the vast majority of the good tgps are willing to work with programs on a continuing basis, but at the same time, the programs need to find the flexbility to deal with the tgps on a level where everyone can benifit. If one expects the other to radically change the way they do business, it's going a little too far. A fine balance with REASONABLE expectations is all I think anyone ever asked. Extremism really has no place in business anyways. |
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The other day I asked for TGP's that would allow me, with a partner account, to post the large pics on html and very few would allow it. Well, even some of those who said it was ok...their scripts rejected the galleries, so I was unable to submit them anyways... I also had a TGP owner freak out because I had a webmaster link at the bottom of my gallery (I find this is a good way to get webmasters because when they are surfing the TGP they want to submit to, they often surf the galleries and might see mine and want to promote it). I see very few of them being flexible and then they expect flexibility. They don't want the (sponsor) site they send to to have consoles, yet they often open links in new windows, skim traffic, etc. I find it humorous that everyone expects flexibility and yet few seem to want to extend it to others (and yes, that includes sponsors as well ;-)) |
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Speaking of old shit ... I looked just the other day and saw I still hold one of the top positions (for four or five years now) on Push's Anarchy Links. B) |
OK, I asked an owner of a large, well known and long time TGP what he would have done in this situation. He said he would have pulled the thumb/gallery even if the sponsor didn't cancel his affiliate account and if the sponsor wanted to cancel, that was fine. In fact, he said he's done it MANY times :) . And this was before he knew it was guy's wife, the TGP was on a free host and the link was taking the surfer to an autodownload script. :awinky:
He may be the only person who agrees with me that the content owner has the right to cancel an affiliate if s/he disapproves of how his content is used and it took me traveling several hundred miles to find him, but at least I know I'm not COMPLETELY nuts. :yowsa: BTW, nice, sunny, humid and HOT here in FLL - no Charley yet :) |
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The other day I asked for TGP's that would allow me, with a partner account, to post the large pics on html and very few would allow it. Well, even some of those who said it was ok...their scripts rejected the galleries, so I was unable to submit them anyways... I also had a TGP owner freak out because I had a webmaster link at the bottom of my gallery (I find this is a good way to get webmasters because when they are surfing the TGP they want to submit to, they often surf the galleries and might see mine and want to promote it). I see very few of them being flexible and then they expect flexibility. They don't want the (sponsor) site they send to to have consoles, yet they often open links in new windows, skim traffic, etc. I find it humorous that everyone expects flexibility and yet few seem to want to extend it to others (and yes, that includes sponsors as well ;-)) [/b][/quote] I said *GOOD* tgps... and if you hit me up, we can discuss it more :) |
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Here's what I mean. The guy builds himself a pay site and sets up an affiliate program. And he builds and provides galleries and content for these "tgp thingies" obviously with no fucking clue about how they work and then when he stumbles across one and discovers the skim he has kittens. Almost all TGP's skim...period. It's part of the traffic model that is the TGP game today. If you encourage your content to be used on them, it is going to be skimmed. It's just as stupid as providing the free content and then freaking out because someone is posting it without requring a credit card for access and kids might see it. It exhibits a basic lack of understanding of the industry they are trying to play in. Quote:
Are Thumb TGPs risking their paychecks by skimming galleries provided by WEG and Purecash? The answer is obviously yes for Celebrity Bling. The answer is "maybe" for Evil Genius.....Sykk is dancing the two-step.... Here's MY bottom line... If you submit galleries to my TGP's, I'm gonna skim up to 30%. If I list a sponsors galleries, I'm gonna skim those too, so I'd like to know who has a problem with it so I can make sure I dont list 'em. I will add one caveat. Remember I'm a tech geek, I sometimes do "interesting things" with the code and sql that builds my pages. Gimme a sponsor who has the shave turned down and is converting well and I'm prone to turn the skim down or off on their stuff because I want to push as much traffic as I possibly can to them. P.S.: You took the nasty weather with you to Florida. Since noon it has been absolutely wonderful up here, clear, sunny, temperature in the mid-70's with a slight breeze all day.... |
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If clicking on a thumb takes the surfer any place but to 1) the large pic (on a html page of course!) or 2) the sponsors site, then you *are* linking to something other than my gallery ... I know technically you didn't touch it and we can debate this technicality all day, but your script did cause my thumbs to be linking to somewhere other than my sites/galleries/pics ... I understand why, I understand the TGP community does it this way and that's just how it is. But it doesn't change the fact that a thumbnail of cameron diaz from a charlies angels movie still may have, via a script, been redirected to HORNY HALS HARDCORE ANAL TGP or whatever. My galleries are a very different story to a standard porn site & content ... I'm trying to skate a fine line between 'naughty' and 'not getting sued'!!!! LOL Quote:
Firstly, these galleries will only be available to tgp *owners* and a handful of submitters - so i'm only working with people i know and trust ... so no, I would never cancel an affiliate account in the case above. The only time I cancel affiliates and never look back is for illegal content & auto installing stuff - you'll be surprised to know i have recently emailed a few toolbar installers to warn them i was cancelling their account rather than just redirecting the traffic like i wanted to do LOL Everyone else gets an email/icq and a 'request' to make adjustments. As has been said several times in this thread - good communication between sponsor and affiliate and compromise on both sides prevents 99% of problems. *I* am flexible, but I have a different set of laws to follow than most - the benefits are worth the extra effort, because so few have done this legally. Spaz, if I clicked on a thumb on your tgp and it was being redirected to a beasty site i would STILL email you and i would not touch your affiliate account unless i couldn't get ahold of you ... because you probably wouldn't know it was there yourself ... If Labret wanted to use these galleries, i'd probably say no :biglaugh: Know your sponsor & Know your affiliate :okthumb: LM, Excellent posts, thank you ... like you said, too much compromising ends up defeating the purpose of the project ... |
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I'm simply asking that you provide the same courtesy that my mailers, p2p promoters, yahoo groups promoters, etc. do if you are using a sponsor's content or promoting a sponsor in a way that MIGHT cause problems, why is it so hard to drop an email and say "is this ok?" I get emails all the time from affiliates asking if they can promote us in a certain way and most of the time the answer is "yes". OK, so you want to promote EGC with a 30% skim, great. Hit me up and let me know the account so I can keep an eye on it and if my boss comes to me and says "hey, what's this affiliate doing?" I can answer. All I ask is that the skim goes to a trade and not a competing sponsor. Just like I wouldn't link your recip button to another TGP. You have to understand where the sponsor is coming from as well. We pay a lot of money for content and like to know what's happening with our content. Imagine if you sent traffic to us and we skimmed 30% and didn't pay you for it. It's simply a communications thing. I'm very big on communicating with affiliates, so email me, ICQ me, send me smoke signals, let's keep a line of communication open and that way everyone makes money and no one has a misunderstanding that causes one or both sides to avoid making money. |
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I guess I can put you on the list of stubborn, non-flexible tgp owners who don't want to move forward into this century with auto-updating galleries featuring daily updated text news and open up your audience to material they haven't already seen a thousand times?! Good to know in advance :okthumb: |
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I guess I can put you on the list of stubborn, non-flexible tgp owners who don't want to move forward into this century with auto-updating galleries featuring daily updated text news and open up your audience to material they haven't already seen a thousand times?! Good to know in advance :okthumb: [/b][/quote] Phew, I thought I was gonna get left out and not get some of those Aussie flames! :cdance: You said you couldn't legally allow your thumbs to be linked to anything other than your own stuff. Sounds like rules against skimming being defined to me! I know you really dont like the TGP model. The only way you'll see it change though is to come up with an idea that will yield more traffic or more money. They're no more going to be open to suggestions that do not benefit their business than you are. Celebrity Bling would work much better for all of it's affiliates if you'd pay $45 per free signup! But I'm sure you wont do that because you're inflexible! :okthumb: Just another sponsor looking out for yourself, good to know in advance! :okthumb: |
now you are just being an idiot ...
should *I* get out the crayons!?!? >>Celebrity Bling would work much better for all of it's affiliates if you'd pay $45 per free signup! But I'm sure you wont do that because you're inflexible! Not paying $45 per free signup makes me inflexible?!?!?! LMAO What a stupid thing to say on so many levels .... I asked a question about the flexibility of how the skim works and you respond with this? Your telling me that being flexible on the skim would cost you as much as it would cost me to pay $45 per free join?!?!? LMAO >Just another sponsor looking out for yourself, good to know in advance! yeah ok HP, that's why i'm trying to have a discussion with tgp owners about alternatives to the standard skim procedure which will work for both tgp webmaster and sponsor, & you are carrying on like your skim is the secret of the freaking universe. Here you are defending your SHAVE as if you will go broke without it?! Talk about the shoes switching feet. You can accuse me of a lot of things, but looking out for myself over others has never been something i've been guilty of. :moon: From what your telling me, no tgp can survive without skimming traffic from every single gallery, and that if they aren't allowed to skim, they won't list your galleries at all?! Simple question ... lmk if you want me to type slower. |
Damn girl, are we even reading the same messages?
It's like we aren't even speaking the same language here all of the sudden. Now if you just wanna trade insults and call each other a dumb ass, that can be fun sometimes, but I kinda prefer to talk biz. Try to see this from both sides. That's the point I was trying to make. Telling a TGP webmaster not to skim sounds just as crazy to him or her as him telling you that you need to switch to some insane payout scheme. Outside of the true monster-sized sites like The Hun, the typical TGP gets 50-70% of it's visitors from trades originating off the skim. How can that be you ask? Here's the secret, on a good TGP, english speaking traffic that hasn't been jerked around will typically click a number of galleries. The TGP lets them have the gallery the majority of the time, but a certain percentage of the time they're gonna get bumped over to a trade. The trades themselves work like an oldschool toplist, the more you can send out, the more the site you're trading with sends back. Everyone grows. There's a lot more factors than that at work to make it successful and make a buck off of it at the same time. But this is essentially why the removing the skim cant be on the table when you talk about improving the TGP game. You'd have to have an idea that makes up for a TON of traffic. That doesn't make 'em "inflexible", there are other thing that CAN be brought to the table. There are needs in the TGP community. The TGP webmasters have a hell of a battle right now with the cat and mouse game currently being played by fuckers with toolbars, etc. There's an opportunity to establish networks of trust and business while tapping that traffic. And for the sponsors, if you actually read my messages, remember my caveat. It's all sql and dynamic and it's VERY powerful with a geek at the helm. On my TGPs the thumbs that are MOST likely to get clicked are going to pull up a gallery everytime....or take you directly to a tour in some cases. And in each case it's my sponsors if not my own paysites. There's opportunities to work together. But so far on Oprano there's a pattern of wanting to change the TGP world rather than work with it. Or we can just go ahead and insult each other. I've got some great PMS references and mama jokes. :gbounce: |
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You're acting as if this an assault on the TGPs who skim. You couldn't be more wrong. We all know they skim. We know they've skimmed and we know they will continue to skim. No one, at least not me, is trying to tell them to run their business any differently. I submit galleries to TGPs and I'm betting every single one of them skims. But if I was submitting my picture (there's a scary thought), and hits were being sent to site that did something I was against - autodownloading, Beasty, CP - , I'd be telling the TGP to take my gallery down. *I* just have a problem with a TGP telling a program owner that they need to accept it and deal with it. No, they don't. They can submit to TGPs that don't send traffic to an autodownloader. They can submit to other TGPs that don't skim. They can stop submitting to TGPs. They can close up shop. :awinky: I wonder what would have happened if some of YOUR content was being sent to a site that autodownloaded Hooper's tool bar and Hooper was making $$$$ with 50% of the clicks to your content. :nyanya: Now I'm going to sit here and be pissed that the wind and lightning seem to be dying down and I can't leave my window open because of the stupid assed people on the street blowing their damn horns! Times like this I miss my log cabin in the solitude (where WeatherBug says it's 62 degrees - but damn 88% humidity??! :( ) |
Hell Puppy, somewhere in this labyrinthine discussion, I think everyone else turned one way and you turned the other. :unsure:
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