Hahaha, thanks, I think.

Walt...hmmm interesting.

If we are digressing , which we are...

Ya know, I always wanted to be Howard Hughes. Truthfully.

;-))

Another vote for Hitler

Sorry, but any man who can accomplish what he did has some major balls and leadership out the ass...doesn't mean what he did was good, but it was effective...

I see this talk about Ronald Reagan, what about Nancy Reagan? Anyone besides me rememebr the jokes about him talking and her lips not moving?

I lived in Wyoming in the 80's, Reagean definitely wasn't a hero there...his policies with japan basically bankrupted the state (the iron ore mine was a major job provider in central Wyoming) If only my dad was in New York raping people and driving a beamer and fucking his secretary instead of working his ass off in mines, I'd have a more positive outlook on Ronnie...

Afraid of germs are we?

:wnw: hail hitler

Alexander the Great, Peter the Great, Charles the Great.

All of them were ruthless invaders and killers.

Those kind of jokes are always popular whenever there is a strong first lady. Probably loudest when the Clintons were in the White House. Can you imagine what kind of rumor-mongering there will be if Hillary gets elected and Bill is the first man?

Afraid of germs are we?[/b][/quote]
Ever seen that Simpsons episode? (You'll know which one if you've seen it;-))

Ever seen that Simpsons episode? (You'll know which one if you've seen it;-))[/b][/quote]
Homage: Mr Burns' distressing condition is inspired by the eccentric millionaire recluse Howard Hughes, who had a similar dread of germs and built a (more workable) plane called the Spruce Goose.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/simpsons/episode...n5/page10.shtml

Don't ya just love hyperlinks?

Lenin. No question.





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this idiot?
why????

this idiot?
why????[/b][/quote]
I have to give credit where credit is due. I'm no fan of totalitarianism but he DID lead the most significant revolution of the 20th century.

He was also a magnificent orator. And that is a MUST for a good leader!

there is another argument that the world is never short of great leaders, but rather short of the circumstances where great leadership is required and where great people can rise to the spotlight.

Aint no way some goddam drug taking scouse is gonna be labeled a great leader!!! Not on my watch sunshine! <_<

you speak Russian? or is this just an assumption?

He came to power through a Coup after the 3rd or i believe 4th try.... not through the leading the masses. It was due more to circumstances that presented themselves. His opinions and views were in the minority, his followers were the minority. He was a thief, a bandit and a murderer.

Dont confuse leadership with terrorism.

I have to give credit where credit is due. I'm no fan of totalitarianism but he DID lead the most significant revolution of the 20th century.

He was also a magnificent orator. And that is a MUST for a good leader![/b][/quote]
I see your point...

you speak Russian? or is this just an assumption?

He came to power through a Coup after the 3rd or i believe 4th try.... not through the leading the masses. It was due more to circumstances that presented themselves. His opinions and views were in the minority, his followers were the minority. He was a thief, a bandit and a murderer.

Dont confuse leadership with terrorism.[/b][/quote]

:biglaugh:

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.





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how many hundreds of thousands, if not millions of great orators are there in the world today.... why aren't they considered great leaders?

"My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you I just signed legislation which outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes." -- Ronald Reagan. Radio microphone test in 1984.

Nope.But I really like Mormons and Vegas :)

I tried to find that quote yesterday. :)


And as for that Simpsons episode I thought it was
"Excellent"

Nick,

So what do you think about those linked you shared stating that an actor gave or did not give Churchill's speech?

Colin,

I think it is possible it was performed by an actor.

But in the end it doesn't matter who performed it. It was Churchill's words.

:)

Stalin's Speech Delivered at a Memorial Meeting of the Kremlin Military School January 28, 1924

I believe Mikhail Gorbachev perhaps deserves a placing.


:)

I do not think Churchill was the greatest leader in the 20th century... he was good at a time when there was a war, which needed a strong man, however IMHO his foresight was not that good.

Ex. he made bad judgements when it came to the impact of nuclear weapons in world peace (the balance of power) - the decisions he made in the final year of the 2nd world war was part of the reason we were pushed into decades of nuclear arms race (money wasted, and people scared for their life). Prehaps some of the 50 years of cold war could have been prevented, if he had trusted more on the people arround him, but I guess a world war can make you suspicious of everyone.

Ofcouse he is not to blame for the cold war, but I´m sure that if he had more foresight, then we could probably have avoided alot of the drama.

Leaders who are good in a time of crises are usual not that brilliant, when we need someone one the bridge to just navigate the ship and not cause problems.

My vote goes to... well funny I can´t really find any great political leader in the 20th century - maybe its because I do not like politicians :unsure: :)