Sharpie, of course we bitch - thats our nature - complain and blame always others!!! Human nature.

But, bizz is changing and more demanding......webmasters demand more from us...so, we demand more from the shows....it is logic I am not saying it is good or bad.

A trip cost me at least 50K - (I do not calculate my shopping, etc. lol)
I choose to spend this on other sources. development, advertisment, parties for our models here in Europe.

I also fly out people I wanna do bizz with....

For the first years , YES, shows ment a lot to me !!! I have done some great deals @ shows !!! I will never forget that. but, it is not reasonable for me anymore to spend so much money while I can earn more & invest it in better ways......

This is the truth......Besides I do miss going to the shows, see a few friends & have some fun!!!

Mike Fold for example!!! I MISS YOU MUCH !!!

and would have spend a 50k just to see Serge go on his knees for his lady hehehe.....


hehehe - I always agree with Serge hahaha

Nick - of course nobody is spamming!!! I for sure am not !!! people just never cancel with me because my emails are soooo fuckin Cool hahaha

:grrr:

Sharpie, maybe it is time to let Cybernet go for a while. Perhaps a year.
I think we're gonna see a shake-up around tax time. I also think that all of these people throwing huge parties every month will either graduate quickly to needing the full "convention" experience or will drive themselves broke just as quickly.
Of course, for all the ones that go broke, you're going to have more that will jump right up in their shoes and take their place. Judging from the response I've gotten from Missy, AVN is actively planning on plowing straight ahead with their typical solution with no changes. Why should they change? Like you said, everyone complains but they keep going and keep paying through the nose.

Maybe it's just time to dump the "convention" idea all together and come up with something completely new. Dokk has done it with the Negril Net Bash and people love it, but there's still room for a more different approach. I've got an idea, I'll email ya.

Carrie,
Realize that Paul makes his money by a certain formula at AVN shows -- and he does have a bit of advantage over Fay if what I have heard is true, and I think it is.

There's NO reason for him to change his strategy one bit, unless people simply either stopped exhibiting or stopped attending, and while one might happen, it will be a while coming for both to occur if they ever do.

AVN is as much in the trade show business as they are in the magazine business, and you will sometimes see them as sponsors at other events -- once again a good strategy on Pauls part since reciprocity is a cornerstone of this business...

Yep, there's no reason for them to change (other than to make it better), because Internext IS the biggest show and whether people like it or not, they keep attending because everyone else is going to be there. Hell, I don't want to go to the Florida show (gripes about the layout of the show and the inept hotel staff), but I will because there will be people there that I want to see, talk to, and do business with.

It's like the big TGPs. It doesn't matter if they're hurting the industry in general, *their* pockets are getting lined and as much as people bitch, they keep submitting - so why change anything?

Change will only happen when either people stop going or something just as big comes along and threatens to take the crown.
I'm not sure there *is* anything that could come along that could rival Internext. So until then (and probably for a good long while), it's a matter of don't go and don't do business, or go and just deal with it. :(

We are working on this very thing now. A place were amateurs, or anyone really, can send in their footage, it will be edited, mastered to DVD and VHS and sold on-line and to stores.

Give us another week or so and we will be ready for a full announcement . . .

Man, I WISH I had been around in 1997...

There is still plenty of money to be made online.

Congratulations on your marriage Sergey!

Sabby

Saw an article on PCMag.com today and immediately thought of this thread. People LOVE to bitch - and this article claims that all people in the technology realm (the article is about Comdex) are masochists.

What's most interesting though is that the articles IS about Comdex - a lot of the complaints, suggestions, obstacles, concerns (about booth size, attendance, etc.) are the same things we've been talking about in this thread and on the boards for years.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,805947,00.asp

Fay - that wasn't me you quoted in that post and I agree with you. It's very frustrating to try and please everyone and not play industry politics. I'm of a mind lately that political correctness has lost it's razzle dazzle on me - I'm going to start saying what I feel regardless. I think I've kept my mouth shut way too long. Do what you feel is best for the show. Take the posts and suggestions made by everyone and then take what you will and go for it. Your shows have always been awesome in the past - why totally reinvent the wheel? :headwall:

Good luck sweetie - if there's anything I can do to help you in any way, please just say the word. You've always been amazingly supportive to me in the past - which is incredible considering we only see each other and talk maybe once or twice a year.

Go for it! :okthumb:



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