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and aI predict that Moffet and Farrel will sue the makers of the walking tall remake for defamation, I mean that was an abysmally bad movie, yall should sue...LOL

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Ahhh.. great memories.... good stuff in this thread...

I remember when I was still married when I first got into this biz in the late 90's lol

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Why do I always think I can just pop by Oprano in the AM before starting work and ever actually get OUT of one of these threads? OMG - a decade + of memories... some of my personal faves:

- going to my first event (ia2000) and meeting people in the elevator... trying to quietly nudge my husband and go "OMG that's so-and-so..." without acting like a spaz
- packing only "business" clothes for that first trip because I had no idea it would be a casual "come as you are" type event and trying to find a store to buy some jeans/t-shirts that first evening so I wouldn't look like a dork all week
- when Lee Noga flipped out as "host" @ the Atlanta AWE and we replaced her with Dokk (and he did an awesome job from there on out)... that was also the event where I first met Mr. Gonzo and the Atlanta crew - talk about life-changing!
- getting "crabs" from JoeE for Christmas - I thought I'd "arrived" LOL
- the super-networking events like the penthouse NatNet parties @ Cybernet Expo in New Orleans - that whole New Orleans trip was a blast, unlike the poor Internext copy that followed...
- the dreaded/beloved boob wars following every event, especially that one in Vegas where I "accidentally-on-purpose" whacked my then-boss @ the CE/ANS booth in the back of the head with a whole box of boobs after BigB taught me how to really make them "fly"
- but especially working with so many genius minds over the years, brain-storming over dinners, lunches, coffees and drinks @ industry events... some of them are out of the business, some of them I've lost touch with over the years and a few that I sorely miss...

Damn it... I need to get back to work - thanks for the trip down memory lane, hope I can get back to 2010 in time to start the day - LOL.

:okthumb:

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Boob wars! The best part of any trade show and something that I can genuinely say that even after all the trouble we had with CE back in the day that I still thank them for.

Recalls back when all the amateur girl solo sites used toplists and fought endlessly over who was syphoning traffic, bad trades, etc. and when so many would send their exit traffic on the "no thanks" link to places like disney dot com.

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How about some of the classic meltdowns...

Hanco...the company that spent millions throwing parties before they even made a penny and was done before any would could say "hanc-who?"

Joe E, legendary, say no more

Busty Amateurs! Holy crap... but couldn't it be... born again?

Many more...

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I think the biggest meltdown I ever saw was more like a crash and burn.

I cant remember the guys name but he was and early paysite owner and was building up to be a content provider. He also considered himself a player and a pimp.. so much that he had porn star tattooed across his knuckles.

Anyhow this guy was making a lot of noise and bragging how he always was banging and filming these very fresh faces. And keep in mind he could have been a potential FFN.

He was writing all of these educational pieces to make a name for himself until it all ended. "Porn Star" got popped for shooting and fucking underaged girls. Seems like he was trolling the Greyhound station and picking up hungry runaways. [see every joke here has a reference to a fact]

He was convicted and went away for a few years ...came back and was offering to consult since he couldnt own an adult site anymore as part of his probation.

Now you know why the faces were so fresh and how another asshole fucked it up for the rest of us with more 2257 pressure.

Never did hear how those "porn star" tattoos worked out for him while he was in the cell with Big Dick Black.

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Two words: tom blanchard.

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Greg Lasrado

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Is he in jail?

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I think I read that Shiraz is out with his fellow inmate ScottPB.

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Do they teach you to fix Lambos in jail?

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Any predictions for what or who will be the next spectacular crash and burn?

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Toss up between Jayxxx and PornoDan or the final chapter of AFF.

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lol, can't speak for either JayXXX or AFF but I can certainly say that Porno Dan has made an art form of crashing and burning (but somehow only coming through with a bit of a singe) which is at times awe inspiring.

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Teflon comes to mind

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I hope it's not Porno Dan.
The guy always seems to be "swinging" away.

:huh:

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define crash and burn...porno dan got the blonde tips knocked outta his hair last night.

but I say AFF because the pornodan and xxxjay thing wont get big enough to explode.

Someone give Dominic Kane legendary Liars address will ya.

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I have to say that XXXJay has impressed me with his ability to not be standing under heavy objects when they fall. It is a real skill.

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Hey Far-L wtf is up with this? :thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown

http://www.pornhub.com/users/HomeGrownVideo

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Interesting. Theft?

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Not with an affiliate link to HomeGrown above each clip. :mad:

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I was trying to be "generous". Farell, could you please drop by and explain your position.

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What is the problem here? We advertise on tubes. If our content is used without permission or without our branding then we ask it to be removed or replaced.

Is this an anti tube tribunal? Upon what charges am I being accused? Can you please be more specific?

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Pornhub is one of the largest illegal tubes (as in stolen content). Why would you choose to do business with theives?

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Thanks for responding.

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boy the tone here changed quick lol

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Are you surprised?

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I don't mind a heathly debate of this but seems to me that you all think that it is a character issue and not a business consideration. Either way... I am open to discussion. Let's go.

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The high volume of traffic on PornHub and other sites like it is due to the large number of full scenes and full dvds. Nearly all of these longer vids have been "uploaded" without consent of the copyright holder. Without that stolen content there would be minimal traffic to the site.

By doing business with PornHub you are participating in the exploitation and use of that stolen content to generate income for both yourself and for PornHub.

Not only is this ethically questionable, it's detrimental to the health of this industry, particularly to those whose content is being used without consent.

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I have more to say about this but I dont want to steer the conversation one way or another so I will contribute 2 things in hopes that the thread stay constructive.

1. Instead of falling for another membership drive by the FSC promising to save your content I recommend Eric Green's service at Remove Your Content.

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2. Brazzers seems to be in a little trouble here in atlanta for alleged money laundering.

http://adultfyi.com/read.php?ID=40145

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:okthumb:

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OK advertising on pornhub puts money directly into the pocket of a company that is doing it's best to fuck every honest adult webmaster in this biz. I took Jule Jordan to task for this and owned his ass.

I dont need money badly enough to accept a paid ad from brazzers or Adult Friend Finder or any number of others...I'd rather eat gruel than put any money in their pockets.

For me its even good business sense as well as ethical

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pink visual I think sees it different
http://www.xbiz.com/news/117538

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:okthumb: :clapping: :beer:

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I was about to say that the wager just went up a notch with that lawsuit.

I stand by my crash and burn prediction.

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Here is the way I see it Far-L........ Making money stealing other people's hard work (case in point Illegal tubes) is pure and simple theft. Any moron can get hot product and fence it. It makes you a thief. Maybe worse than a crack dealer, who at least pays for his product and if he steals it, runs a high risk of getting shot. If you do business with people who steal from others, you probably think you are at arm's length. I say you are encouraging bad behavior and are consciously involved in theft of other people's hard work.
When I read some of the when we stories on this thread, I kinda shake my head as well. You all seem to look back fondly on some very shady business practices. (some of which were down right illegal). A lot of this stuff is what killed the golden goose. It wasn't smart business at all. Personally, I have never participated in that dishonesty and am not about to start.
I detect a lot of desperation lately in the biz from both big and small companies. And apparently your solution is to dance with the devil. We may have had differences in the past, but I always respected you as a person. But now that the shit has hit the fan, perhaps true character surfaces. I hope I am wrong and you can convince us otherwise. I know I am just a voice in the wilderness.

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Toby - I don't recall you taking the same position when tgp and mgp raised the same questions. Now don't give me the "well it is whole movies" argument because as far as I am concerned any content that is used without permission is not ok. A surfer can jerk off to a single image just as easily as a 20 second low res clip or a full HD movie. The unfortunate fact is that content producers must police their own copyrights and trademarks and that requires eternal vigilence by the copyright holder. Your argument is just plain sophistry and is an emotional reaction rather than a logical determination. How does putting up my content solicit any sort of illicit use of content? How are you or I to know what is or is not being put up there with or without consent? If I see my content up there without permission then I have it fixed with our branded versions and they act with extreme promptness; in my experience, that means they are acting appropriately. I usually receive a result within MINUTES.

EJ - I will take your point much more seriously when we actually see a royalty report for that content of ours that just happens to also be used in your animated sig gif - btw... don't remember authorizing that usage but correct me if I am wrong since that deal is from years ago.

Mike South - I have to worry enough about our content and I am not about to take on yet another battle for this industry. You and I both know that we have our own responsibility to police our own marks. When we contact a tube about our unauthorized usage I base my criticism of them for or against on whether they respond to our remove request quickly and whether they accept our offer to work with authorized versions. Are we getting some sort of preferential treatment? I seriously doubt it. When I first sent emails to the "offenders" I was professional and direct and I often was responded to with compliments for being that way instead of coming at them with the typical tirades that many approach the situation with.

One thing I learned years ago "coming online" is not to believe what you see or hear. I remember freaking about password sites until I learned that the majority of those passwords were seeded by the programs themselves as a means of getting traffic. There is a strong possibility that a lot of so-called unauthorized content going up probably is being put up by programs.

Gonzo - I have heard nothing but great things about that service, thanks for throwing that in.

The truth here is that since the beginning of online adult marketing there has been a business model of free to pay conversion. Has it been abused? Yes. Is there a way for it to work? Yes. Is there going to be a perfect condition where no content goes up unauthorized? No. Does that mean that you can't still try to work with the situation? No, not at all, and like everything else in this world you just have to try to make the best of it.

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I don't believe in content theft at all, nor was any of my recollections fond remembrances condoning the behaviours or business practices of those that went down in flames. I love that quote from Sun Tzu that runs something like "happiness is seeing the bodies of your enemies float by in the river". Will some of these companies be the companies of tomorrow that burn up in thier own greed? I hope so and I would actually bet on it.

You use phrases like "dance with the devil" and try to insinuate that I am somehow doing something innapropriate when the actuality is far from that. I work hard to protect our content and I have spent more time and money fighting for the rights of content producers in this industry than most, probably including you. The tubes owners we have worked with have been very proactive making sure that they are only working with legit material. I suppose you have some sort of inside information to the contrary? Share it then, or are you just content to just make accusations based on suppositions of entirely circumstantial evidence? That doesn't seem very ethical to me.

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So what you are saying is that the content thieves you work with are ok in your book because when they steal something, they give it back right away when asked. So buddy breaks into your house and steals your watch. Oops he gets caught and you say just give it back and thats the end of it. It sounds awfully like the guy that gets busted for speeding and he tells the cop that he was just keeping up with traffic. You lay down with thieves and pretty soon it sounds ethical. But it isn't. It has still fucked online business and you are doing more damage than any good you did fighting that Acacia thing which was a tempest in a teapot from the get go.
So, how does it feel to be one of the bad guys now that you are grown up? Fuck me, I hope I never get that old. Is Hannity on radio pre set?

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I would love to see this go all the way and settle the issue once and for all but what do you want to bet that there is a quick out of court settlement that puts Pink Visual up front and center on those sites?