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sarettah 12-17-2006 11:10 AM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
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Originally Posted by LadyMischief (Post 751090)
So you have difinitive proof that he had CP on his site? I don't think even DirectNIC has PROVEN that, if they ever do.

Doesn't matter from my point of view. DN has every right to run their business as they see fit.

Same as you.

I am sure there are trades and gallery submissions that you reject just because. Not for a definitive reason necessarilly, or at least one you could not put into words.

I am sure you also sometimes approve some that later on you go kill because you feel like you were bs'd or whatever.

Not much difference in this whole thing except that you aren't taken to the boards in a completely one sided "let's beat up LM for doing this to me" tirade by the zoo.

Peaches 12-17-2006 11:16 AM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
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Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 751092)
Doesn't matter from my point of view. DN has every right to run their business as they see fit.

EXACTLY.

MY point was that him even having a public SUSPICION of CP on his site/trades was brought in by him - not DirectNic.

And now Google's removed at least one of his sites, so yeah, I'm betting there was SOMETHING on there that shouldn't have been. Of course, had the dude never come screaming to GFY and dealt with DirectNic and an attorney from day one, I'd never know this information.

softball 12-17-2006 11:54 AM

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"Doesn't matter from my point of view. DN has every right to run their business as they see fit."

What, just like Denny's? You remember when they got their asses kicked for refusing to serve black people.? Hell you write that into your tos and see how far it gets.

As for suing, that is just a typical litagous American response. It is expensive, sometimes wasteful and mostly the one with the most bucks wins. And in this case, I am sure we can figure out which side has the most horsepower, so that is a non starter. That is unless the FSC picks it up and then the fireworks could light up.

I never thought I would see the day.....

sarettah 12-17-2006 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rhetorical (Post 751095)
What, just like Denny's? You remember when they got their asses kicked for refusing to serve black people.? Hell you write that into your tos and see how far it gets.

And until someone challenged it in court, they got away with it. Right or wrong.

It takes a court challenge to establish this shit. If Slick has had his civil rights trampled as much as everyone says, his lawyer would have had this in court, getting an injunction back last wednesday or thusday when all the shit went down originally.

So, he either has a suck ass lawyer or he doesn't have a leg to stand on in his lawyer's eyes.

softball 12-17-2006 12:28 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
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Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 751097)
And until someone challenged it in court, they got away with it. Right or wrong.

It takes a court challenge to establish this shit. If Slick has had his civil rights trampled as much as everyone says, his lawyer would have had this in court, getting an injunction back last wednesday or thusday when all the shit went down originally.

So, he either has a suck ass lawyer or he doesn't have a leg to stand on in his lawyer's eyes.

Why does everything have to be challenged in court? Like I said, money seems to trump what is right in many instances. OJ for instance. (just my opinion btw)
Maybe he can't afford a lawyer, but if he can and he has a suck ass lawyer, why should what is right always have to be determined by lawyers?
You want your freedoms defended by someone's suck ass lawyer who might lose a precedent setting case that affects your rights?
edit: Getting away with it is not the issue.

Toby 12-17-2006 12:32 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
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Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 751097)
So, he either has a suck ass lawyer or he doesn't have a leg to stand on in his lawyer's eyes.

OR Slick realizes that the cost of persuing this through the courts would probably cost more than it's worth. Win or lose, he still has to pay his lawyer.

Peaches 12-17-2006 12:33 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
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Originally Posted by gonzo (Post 751057)
Use a skeleton key.

Or steal passwords from your own users.

And Jace, you need better intel. Michael's not saying anything anywhere else he hasn't posted on GFY and JBM.

softball 12-17-2006 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 751100)
Or steal passwords from your own users.

And Jace, you need better intel. Michael's not saying anything anywhere else he hasn't posted on GFY and JBM.


Would you mind cutting and pasting exactly what Mike is saying elsewhere, because he is not saying it here and no one is quoting him. Those boards are such a pain in the ass to sort through. I am sure you will have some quotable quotes.

sarettah 12-17-2006 12:41 PM

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[quote=rhetorical;Getting away with it is not the issue.[/QUOTE]

Only in your utopia is that true. In the legal world, getting away with it. unfortunately, is almost always the issue.

Should GW be impeached for the way he got the US into Iraq. Should he, probably. Will he, not on your life.

Should Ollie North be walking around free? No way in hell. Is he? Yeppirs.

And OJ is another case of it.

In a country run by the rule of law, only the lawyers win outright. A lawyer is a fancy ass con man for the most part and the one that can woo the court or a jury the best wins.

But, in reference to getting into a court and get an injunction, it costs $75.00 (or somewhere in that area, it was $75 in 1986 when I was involved in one) to get in front of a federal judge and request an injunction against something like the TOS being enforced. If it has even a crooked leg to stand on, a 5 or 10 day injunction will be imposed almost for sure.

If I know this, I think any lawyer offering advice in this biz would know this.

gonzo 12-17-2006 01:31 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 751100)
Or steal passwords from your own users.

.

When you figure out how to do that in a VB database you are a better person than I am.

Peaches 12-17-2006 01:49 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
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Originally Posted by gonzo (Post 751109)
When you figure out how to do that in a VB database you are a better person than I am.

Maybe a better person than you, but not a better person than Hellpuppy. Or perhaps he hacked in Serge's site for you. Either way, you nosed yourself into somewhere you knew you weren't wanted without permission of the users. I've written some things there recently with the knowledge you have access. I hope you take them to heart.

gonzo 12-17-2006 02:13 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 751110)
Maybe a better person than you, but not a better person than Hellpuppy. Or perhaps he hacked in Serge's site for you. Either way, you nosed yourself into somewhere you knew you weren't wanted without permission of the users. I've written some things there recently with the knowledge you have access. I hope you take them to heart.

Youd think youd learn by now. Once again you jump to a conclusion without know what your talking about yet again. Read the Georgia Computer law do you thnk either of us would risk the consequences of hacking into a site?

Ill let Hellpuppy address the rest.

You assume way too much.

And speaking of an inflamatory post with out knowing what your talking about...

Peaches 12-17-2006 02:22 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gonzo (Post 751119)
Youd think youd learn by now. Once again you jump to a conclusion without know what your talking about yet again. Read the Georgia Compauter law do you thnk either of us would risk the consequences of hacking into a site?

Ill let Hellpuppy address the rest.

You assume way too much.

And speaking of an inflamatory post with out knowing what your talking about...

You are the two talking about "skeleton keys" and "peek under the blinds" when neither of you has an account, not me. If you're going to make innuendos, be prepared to suffer the responses.

I could make other comments regarding what and where people can "peek" into, but I won't in deference to them. But I can assure you, I know what I'm talking about and you know it.

Speaking of laws, what ever happened to that law about not being able to make copies of Georgia Driver's licenses?

gonzo 12-17-2006 02:26 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 751120)
You are the two talking about "skeleton keys" and "peek under the blinds" when neither of you has an account, not me. If you're going to make innuendos, be prepared to suffer the responses.

I could make other comments regarding what and where people can "peek" into, but I won't in deference to them. But I can assure you, I know what I'm talking about and you know it.

Speaking of laws, what ever happened to that law about not being able to make copies of Georgia Driver's licenses?

You were correct. That law is not on the books.

And I will say again that you havent a clue as to what your talking about.

Peaches 12-17-2006 02:32 PM

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Edit - Gonzo might be willing to throw a friend down the tubes, but I'm not.

gonzo 12-17-2006 02:39 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 751122)
Edit - Gonzo might be willing to throw a friend down the tubes, but I'm not.

Yeah I have a strong history of doing that.

Peaches 12-17-2006 03:16 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
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Originally Posted by gonzo (Post 751123)
Yeah I have a strong history of doing that.

I have to agree with ya on that one. Think of all the people you've sat down and broken bread with in the past 3 years and how many of those people wouldn't be willing to do it today.

Cory's the only one on MY list - that I know of, lol.

gonzo 12-17-2006 03:20 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 751124)
I have to agree with ya on that one. Think of all the people you've sat down and broken bread with in the past 3 years and how many of those people wouldn't be willing to do it today.

Cory's the only one on MY list - that I know of, lol.

2006 was quite enlightening for me.

Peaches 12-17-2006 05:46 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gonzo (Post 751125)
2006 was quite enlightening for me.

I don't think it was - in the right way. IMO.

Lord knows I've made enemies through the years, but my livelyhood no longer depends on getting along with people (wow, that was a funny comment, but it's true). Just like when all I had was freesites, if everyone hated my guts, I was still getting paychecks. When I was at WEG I had to be nice, but 99.9% of the time I liked the people I was being nice to. Now that I'll hopefully be doing medical coding and real estate investing, people don't need to like me. Though I'll do everything I can just because that's me ;)

You're in a position where you can catch a LOT more flies with honey than with vinegar. You CAN be a well behaved nice guy - I've seen it. Being that more often could put more $$$ on the table. You and I aren't that far away from retirement years. The more in the bank now, the better off we're going to be in our 70's (though the bank I refinanced my house with has now sent me 2 letters a week about mortgage life insurance so I'm beginning to think they know something I don't.......).

I'm not saying kiss the asses of those that don't deserve to be kissed, but playing nice on the school yard isn't selling yourself out. :okthumb:

gonzo 12-17-2006 06:50 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 751134)
I don't think it was - in the right way. IMO.

Lord knows I've made enemies through the years, but my livelyhood no longer depends on getting along with people (wow, that was a funny comment, but it's true). Just like when all I had was freesites, if everyone hated my guts, I was still getting paychecks. When I was at WEG I had to be nice, but 99.9% of the time I liked the people I was being nice to. Now that I'll hopefully be doing medical coding and real estate investing, people don't need to like me. Though I'll do everything I can just because that's me ;)

You're in a position where you can catch a LOT more flies with honey than with vinegar. You CAN be a well behaved nice guy - I've seen it. Being that more often could put more $$$ on the table. You and I aren't that far away from retirement years. The more in the bank now, the better off we're going to be in our 70's (though the bank I refinanced my house with has now sent me 2 letters a week about mortgage life insurance so I'm beginning to think they know something I don't.......).

I'm not saying kiss the asses of those that don't deserve to be kissed, but playing nice on the school yard isn't selling yourself out. :okthumb:

They have a saying at AEBN - "We got this".

Thank you for your support.

Hell Puppy 12-18-2006 12:05 AM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 751110)
Maybe a better person than you, but not a better person than Hellpuppy. Or perhaps he hacked in Serge's site for you. Either way, you nosed yourself into somewhere you knew you weren't wanted without permission of the users. I've written some things there recently with the knowledge you have access. I hope you take them to heart.

I do so enjoy coming in from a nice holiday outing to find that someone who claims to want to be a friend has tried to toss me under a bus.

Or I guess this post is supposed to be ok, since you apparently edited one later that would've likely been much worse.

Thanks, I appreciate that.

Peaches 12-18-2006 09:00 AM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy (Post 751156)
I do so enjoy coming in from a nice holiday outing to find that someone who claims to want to be a friend has tried to toss me under a bus.

Or I guess this post is supposed to be ok, since you apparently edited one later that would've likely been much worse.

Thanks, I appreciate that.

Oh brother, lol. Cross me off the "friend" list (when was the last time we saw each other?) if when you and Gonzo, whose supposedly been your friend forever, make posts that clearly state you've "used a skeleton key" and "looked under blinds" on a private site and when *I* respond it's throwing you under the bus. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anyone who posts there knows you and/or Gonzo have/had access and have known for quite some time. It's obvious and you knew that. YOU'RE the ones who brought it out here, therefore throwing yourselves under the bus: I just pointed it out. :whistling

Funny how your SMSs differ so from your "public" posts. And you wonder why there's a "trust issue", lol.

softball 12-18-2006 11:18 AM

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"make posts that clearly state you've "used a skeleton key" and "looked under blinds" on a private site"

They never clearly stated that. They just mentioned that it would be a method. Again, Peaches, this is what you do. Spread insinuations as truth. You did it to me. I have seen you do it to others. I think maybe you actually believe your lies sometimes. Now re read the posts and tell us all where it clearly says what you insinuate. Since peaches is clearly not reading my posts (not)...could someone quote this to see if she can tap dance out of this one?

Hell Puppy 12-18-2006 11:39 AM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhetorical (Post 751184)
"make posts that clearly state you've "used a skeleton key" and "looked under blinds" on a private site"

They never clearly stated that. They just mentioned that it would be a method. Again, Peaches, this is what you do. Spread insinuations as truth. You did it to me. I have seen you do it to others. I think maybe you actually believe your lies sometimes. Now re read the posts and tell us all where it clearly says what you insinuate. Since peaches is clearly not reading my posts (not)...could someone quote this to see if she can tap dance out of this one?

Exactly, someone's been drinking some koolaid.

Hell Puppy 12-18-2006 11:46 AM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 751177)
Oh brother, lol. Cross me off the "friend" list (when was the last time we saw each other?) if when you and Gonzo, whose supposedly been your friend forever, make posts that clearly state you've "used a skeleton key" and "looked under blinds" on a private site and when *I* respond it's throwing you under the bus. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anyone who posts there knows you and/or Gonzo have/had access and have known for quite some time. It's obvious and you knew that. YOU'RE the ones who brought it out here, therefore throwing yourselves under the bus: I just pointed it out. :whistling

Funny how your SMSs differ so from your "public" posts. And you wonder why there's a "trust issue", lol.

You know, what really truly pains me here isn't the issue at hand. It's that I have to admit something, that I cant believe I have to type, but I'm a big boy, so I'll do it and even increase the font:

12clicks was right.

You've gone so far off your rocker that board fights are more important to you than maintaining any friendship.

I guess I'm the last to see it because lord knows I'm one to always try to believe in the best intentions of others where friends are concerned and stick by 'em even if I personally disagree.

I've done nothing but take the high road with you even while you've seemed a tad nutty and even venomous. Even here, all I did was sarcastically point out you tried to throw my ass under the bus. But you're more interested in being "correct" on the board and winning the fight than anything else.



Jace 12-18-2006 11:58 AM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
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Originally Posted by Hell Puppy (Post 751189)
You know, what really truly pains me here isn't the issue at hand. It's that I have to admit something, that I cant believe I have to type, but I'm a big boy, so I'll do it and even increase the font:

12clicks was right.

You've gone so far off your rocker that board fights are more important to you than maintaining any friendship.

I guess I'm the last to see it because lord knows I'm one to always try to believe in the best intentions of others where friends are concerned and stick by 'em even if I personally disagree.

I've done nothing but take the high road with you even while you've seemed a tad nutty and even venomous. Even here, all I did was sarcastically point out you tried to throw my ass under the bus. But you're more interested in being "correct" on the board and winning the fight than anything else.



glad someone else is seeing it and saying it too

Peaches 12-18-2006 12:32 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
Hellpuppy, I'm one of the CRAZY people that thinks you should say the same thing on the boards as you do off the boards about someone,

You sit there and agree with me via ICQ and SMS that this isn't the big deal it was made out to be when you received 20 messages about it from God knows who, then come here and act like I've betrayed you in some way.

This is your buddy's board - I guess he needed the page views.

Jace, you know absolutely NOTHING about ANY situation about me except what you've heard from others. You don't know me. Actually, there's only a handful of people IN this biz who know me and none of them have posted in this thread.

And agreeing with 12Clicks. Wow. That's truly about as low as anyone can go.

spazlabz 12-18-2006 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 751193)
Jace, you know absolutely NOTHING about ANY situation about me except what you've heard from others. You don't know me. Actually, there's only a handful of people IN this biz who know me and none of them have posted in this thread.

Just out of curiousity do you mean know you in the biblical sense? Because havent you sat down with meals with Gonzo and HellPuppy in the past and had a friendship with them?


spaz

gonzo 12-18-2006 12:48 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
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Originally Posted by spazlabz (Post 751198)
Just out of curiousity do you mean know you in the biblical sense? Because havent you sat down with meals with Gonzo and HellPuppy in the past and had a friendship with them?


spaz

The holidays can be a very sad time.

Jace 12-18-2006 12:54 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 751193)
Jace, you know absolutely NOTHING about ANY situation about me except what you've heard from others. You don't know me. Actually, there's only a handful of people IN this biz who know me and none of them have posted in this thread.

I never claimed to, did I?

I just mostly know what I have seen on the boards, and to be honest, you are pretty much the next Confucy...fight fight fight, bitch bitch bitch, whine whine whine

it just gets old, and if this IS the way you are in person, I would have to put a plastic bag over your head just to rid the world of your bitterness

and just out of curiosity, why would you make a point of saying how you were exactly the same off the boards as you are on, then go and say I only know you from the boards? if you are the same, then what is the difference?

Jace 12-18-2006 12:56 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spazlabz (Post 751198)
Just out of curiousity do you mean know you in the biblical sense? Because havent you sat down with meals with Gonzo and HellPuppy in the past and had a friendship with them?


spaz

I have sat down with Peaches twice to eat, she seemed nice, sweet and sometimes a little quiet, NOTHING like we see on the boards

spazlabz 12-18-2006 01:01 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
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Originally Posted by Jace (Post 751204)
I just mostly know what I have seen on the boards, and to be honest, you are pretty much the next Confucy...fight fight fight, bitch bitch bitch, whine whine whine.........why would you make a point of saying how you were exactly the same off the boards as you are on, then go and say I only know you from the boards? if you are the same, then what is the difference?

Gawd! I hope she is, I freaking LOVE Confucy and miss her over here dearly heh heh

and :stfu: about how she is off line versus the boards... that cannot be true just read her posts and you'll know.


Hey Peaches... wannna :Lets_do_i ?


spaz

Jace 12-18-2006 01:03 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
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Originally Posted by spazlabz (Post 751206)
Gawd! I hope she is, I freaking LOVE Confucy and miss her over here dearly heh heh

and :stfu: about how she is off line versus the boards... that cannot be true just read her posts and you'll know.


Hey Peaches... wannna :Lets_do_i ?


spaz

god dammit, I don't know if I should take that seriously or not

regardless I am cracking up...hahaha

spazlabz 12-18-2006 01:18 PM

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LOL taking me seriously about that is pretty much a roll of the dice man

best advice.. chuckle along bro


spaz

Hell Puppy 12-18-2006 10:37 PM

Re: How to get the point across to you LM.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 751193)
Hellpuppy, I'm one of the CRAZY people that thinks you should say the same thing on the boards as you do off the boards about someone,

You sit there and agree with me via ICQ and SMS that this isn't the big deal it was made out to be when you received 20 messages about it from God knows who, then come here and act like I've betrayed you in some way.

This is your buddy's board - I guess he needed the page views.

Jace, you know absolutely NOTHING about ANY situation about me except what you've heard from others. You don't know me. Actually, there's only a handful of people IN this biz who know me and none of them have posted in this thread.

And agreeing with 12Clicks. Wow. That's truly about as low as anyone can go.

Yeah, I responded sarcastically to being thrown under the bus, told ya i did. And also told ya I considered it no biggie and as far as I was concerned over.

But you HAD to have the last word. Couldn't just let it be, you had to be right.

Whatever, I feel somehow liberated. I've been trying not to step on your toes for weeks while you seemed to be coming back to your senses and having to analyze what I say to make sure you didn't read anything into it not intended. It's a relief not to have worry about it anymore. And I wish you all the best.


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