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it was kickass up here in Georgia too...80F and sunny all day

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It was, as they say, a Chamber of Commerce Day :) The wild dogwoods, wisteria and wild azaleas are blooming up here in the hills. Mountain laurel is getting ready. I honestly believe there is no prettier place than the Atlanta area in the spring.

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you got that right

we have like 6 different bushes and trees blooming in our yard right now, i am loving it

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You know, the funny thing about this entire discussion is that is it profoundly American. The same conversation could have taken place in the 1840s - although obviously in a different forum. I suspect that a lot of the people harumphing the illegals today came from illegals - the main difference being, those illegals happen to be German, Irish, Italian, Polish, or from any of a dozen Slavik countries.

It's probably only been 50 years or so since Southern and Eastern Europeans were considered White, fer cryin' out loud. The first bitter controversies over bilingual education raged in cities like St. Louis and Milwaukee - a hundred years ago. The same thing raged over Spanish in the west at the same time, and into the 30s.

There have always been folks afraid of immigrants in America, at least since the 1830s. Some are just sad people scared of anything that ain't just like them. Some of them just have to have somebody to hate or be afraid of to make them feel better about their own sad, pathetic lives. Odd thing is, the fucking country seems to have survived the invasion du jour that was going to destroy our civilization.

When I was a kid I used to go to a candy store that sold local (St. Louis) weekly newspapers in Italian, German, and Polish. It was a city neighborhood - so, of course, the younger residents (my Dad's generation) bolted to a the safe, bland, boring 'burbs. The place got pretty bad for a long while, but it's made a comeback with a vengence in the last ten years.

Of course, some asswipes might get their tender sensibilities offended if they went there. Some of the signs in the stores aroudn there are in three or four languages. You can occasionally have to wait for a shopkeeper to get a younger relative who speaks English in addition to Arabic, Vietnamese, Thai, Spanish, or Croation.

The descendents of the fucking wops, the dirty kikes, the polacks, and the huns sit in the bars and coffee houses up there and bitch about the foreigners taking over their neighborhood, too.

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Just for the record. A mere 20 years ago, the same discussions took place.

The result of that was "immigration reform" (as they are seeking now) and pretty much a blanket amnesty for 2.8 million illegal immigrants.

Apparently that did not destroy the country.


http://www.cato.org/dailys/06-24-04.html

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"Apparently that did not destroy the country."

Really? Look around and think about that for a minute. Were you better off then or now? BTW, I am not talking about finances.

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I think Ronnie Ray-gunz did a lot of damage to the country, but Immigration didn't have a damn thing to do with it.

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I gotta say that I made a shit pot of money because of Ronnie and Maggie T. God bless em. The eighties were freeking magic. Milk and honey. Rolex's, Patek phillipe's and hundred year old port. Beirut lines and DB's...
35K flats and 50K maisonettes. Skin two and Soho in the freeking rain. Shaftsbury avenue and fine, fine girls. Sloan rangers and Kings road. It was a time.

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No offense, but I must say your posts are a tad cloying at times.



http://www.thewinnipegpages.com/foru...1143394665.jpg

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cloying is a good word. i had to look that up.

damn my american education! dammit.

canada wins this round... but i'll be back!

oh yes, i'll be back.

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PornoDoggy, just like Serge you're attempting to argue a point with points that have no correlation. We are talking about illegal immigrants that only come to this country to make money but have no intentions of making this country their home. The immigrants you are talking about looked at America as a brave new world and were proud to live here. They also became naturalized citizens and paid taxes just like everone else.

Sure they brought their cultures here and I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is my government telling me that we must make schools bilingual and that stores must hang signs in more than one language and it's all for the ILLEGAL immigrants, not the ones that actually came here to live and work and become citizens.

Now, if you want to compare apples to apples, you should be talking about the immigrants that came here and ran the Indians onto reservations. Then you might actually have a point.

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if you don't see correlation, it doesn't mean they aren't there.
As the good book says:
"Eyes they have but they can see not,
ears they have but they can hear not..."

Hammer, your fallacy is as old the Holy Bible.

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I love tacos ! poor people like me can afford them and they are good.

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Raymond: 12:30 is lunch.
Charlie: What do you want?
Raymond: Wednesday is fish sticks. Green lime jello for dessert.
Charlie: You want another apple juice?
Raymond: No, orange soda. Uh oh, it's 12:31.

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If you don't see the correlation you choose not to. You continue to presume that bilingual signs are strickly for the illegals - and I don't think that's the case. I think it speaks more to the bias with which you approach the issue than to the actual facts.

The majority of the illegals today want the same think my (paternal) krauthead great-great-grandparents did in the 1890s, and for that matter the same thing as my (maternal) Quaker ancestors did. My dad's parents went to public schools that were bilingual (German and English). My great-grandfather, who was a member of several German organizations, had hassles during World War I not unlike what some Muslims had after 9/11. He had travel restrictions placed on him within the city of St. Louis, even though he had at least one son "over there."

Whether you like it or not, this whole debate is deja vu all over again - and your opinions would make you a perfect candidate for the No-Nothing party, circa 1850.

Your comment about the immigrants that came here to commit genocide on the native people, and run the survivors into reservations, doesn't really make any sense. When you get right down to it, though, illegal immigration is merely a case of the Chicanos coming home to roost. The Southwest, where they enter, is ours only because we stole it from them. They seem to be intent on taking it back.

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We are a nation of laws. Until we secure our borders the rest does not matter. We should not have an amnesty program. We need to also adjust our legal immigration policies.

Right now thanks to Ted Kennedy we have an immigration policy that is designed to fail!!

We used to take the best and brightest from around the world, and these people contributed to the economy. Now all we get is the poorest of the world.

Our immigration policy is designed to cripple this Country. I am sure Ted is happy.

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Isn't it what Bishop is trying to do with Oprano?
;)

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Actually this does seem to be the policy Bishop and AEBN instituted for Oprano. I really do not know what their intentions were, they never consulted me.

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Speaking of know-nothings ...

There isn't a hell of a lot of difference between Ted Kennedy and John McCain on immigration - at least, there hasn't been. (Don't know what's going to happen as he begins to kiss the ass of the ultra-right in pursuit of '08). The current situation is just as much the responsibility of Republicans who are concerned with ensuring that donors have access to the cheap labor they want, and any thinking person knows it.

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PD - I am talking about the changes in immigration policy Ted oversaw 20+ years ago. I am not talking about now.

Plus McCain is not Conservative, he is an opportunist. He will never be President.

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Bullshit.

Last time I checked, Ted Kennedy was only one of one hundred Senators, even twenty years ago. If Reagan hadn't wanted that bill passed it would have never cleared the House - Tip O'Neil would have seen to it.

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And a lot of what was in the '86 bill was changed in '96, '98 and '04

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Bilingual signs in Florida have nothing to do with legal immigrants or else they'd be in many languages besides just English and Spanish. Florida's econonomy relies on tourists but I don't see any German or French signs in Target... only Spanish. I also don't hear about too many non-Mexican, Cuban or Haitian immigrants being rounded up and shipped home either.

btw. My father is French Canadian and my mother is German and I was born in Belgium. We all are American citizens though. I tell you that lest you think my opinions are somehow based on the belief that my ancestors are from America which they wouldn't be unless they were American Indian.

As for why my comment about the immigrants that took over America from the rightful inhabitants, I don't see how that isn't applicable to your points. They came here from other countries, forced their way of life on the people that lived here. They refused to learn the language or try to fit in, but instead brought their own cultures and turned this country into what they had left. How is that different than immigrants that move to Miami and set up their own little Cuba, refuse to learn the language and are currently spreading?

Not to mention all the legal Asians that are moving here, which actually worries me far more than the Mexican or Cubans. One day in the future I'm afraid we'll be answering to the Chinese.

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Hammer is worried...that disturbs me a lot.

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You should be worried too, unless you like communism.

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May I cuddle you to ease your worries?

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No thanks, I've got my wife for that.

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Go to Fort Myers. Most stores have a sign that states they speak english and german. Hardly any spanish signs there at all.

Btw, at the Grand Canyon, most signs there are in English, French and German.

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"there are two things in this world - results and everything else!"

You are still worried and that upsets me. I think I can cuddle you better than your wife.

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It warms my cockles to know that you're concerned, but unless you have breasts and a vagina, the likelihood of us ever cuddling is about the same as the likelihood that I'll ever say 'yes sir' to a Chinaman.

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Dude - you are entitled to think anything that makes you feel comfortable. All I am trying to point out is that your feelings are by no means unique, or nothing remotely like new. The same sort of fears have been going on since this country was fifty years old, and will continue long after you and me are dead and buried. Bigots have been an integral part of this country for a long time, and the likelyhood that that sort of inferior subspecies will die out any time soon is regretably small.

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If the made guy, in charge of the entire NY construction racket could suck cock, EVERYBODY is corruptable and you are not exception. I know your post says very soft NO, but I interpret it as "maybe".

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and that includes thinking about cuddling with me.

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I understand what you're pointing out and I'm just enjoying the lively debate. I find conversations that stimulate thought, interesting and I've had my opinions changed many times in the past on issues I felt strongly about.

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I am glad you are stimilated by our conversation and keep an open mind about cuddling.

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Actually, the first attempt to bring federal contol to immigration was 1790, 2 years after the constitution was ratified:

http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared...ishist/436.htm

http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared...hist/index.htm

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I try to keep an open mind about most things, although I'll never drink French wine with sushi.

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This is a HUGE mistakes...
French make an excelelnt WHITES which would go well with sushi. I wouldn't mind having some aged red Burgs with sushi as well.

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When I have sushi, I like to go Japanese all the way and either drink saki, Japanese beer or tea, although I'm sure some French wines go very well with sushi. I imagine there are some American and Australian wines that go well too.

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PLEASE NO TALK OF SUSHI AND WINE.

Last time that happened, I had police over with guns pointed at my head!!!