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i just don't know what to think about you man...you just have a really wierd way of looking at things....times have changed, and the surfer doesn't like being treated like shit anymore because if you treat them like shit, they will just go down the net to another site that appreciates them

one thing I do know is that our site keeps a consistant ratio of around 1:350, and that is with even tgp traffic..so, while you MAY think that I am doing something wrong, my stats show that I am doing something right..and at the end of the day nothing you can say will affect the way I think because I just have to look at my stats to know I am doing the right thing

i am not going to respond to insults you all throw around anymore because throwing insults is just childish and ignorant, but I will talk business any time you all want...the trouble is I really actually don't think any of you "old timers" actually have any business to do

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I guess what the really means is that i don't care enough to read much of what he posts all that carefully

this board is fun and all, but you all seem to take it WAY too seriously

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I am off for the night, you all have a nice time...I am going to grill out, sit on my trailer porch next to my pink flamingos and drink some mad dog 20/20

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I don't take anything posted on a forum seriously at all, unless it's business but most of that happens via icq or email and not on a board... but I can glance at a post and know that there's meaning in it and I don't need to study it to see that...

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You know, just a thought here but back in the day there were oh, say 5000 webmasters to compete with for sales. Today maybe there's 500,000. The sheer number of n00bs in today's game is a LARGE part of the reason why the "dinosaurs" are maybe a little jaded.

It's not rocket science to realize that the playing field is spread out 1000's of times wider today than it was in 1998 (when I started) or earlier.

I have mad respect for most of the guys who were in the game already when I got in. Most of the ones I knocked shoulders with were honest, and although we all valued our surfers we were all also patently aware of the aweful truth.... that surfers give about as much of a shit about you the webmaster as you do about them, period. Consider the fact that many of those "dinosaurs" are still around, their businesses still thriving. It's called being adaptable, it's called not only being innovative but in thinking in the long-term.

Some of you guys are getting quite cocky at the oldies, but the fact is they made it, you haven't yet.

No need for all the lameass attitude from either side. It's counterproductive and a huge waste of time, but the other fact to consider here is: Which side can honestly afford and justify that waste of time? My vote goes to the oldies.

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That post should be added to a hall of fame somewhere. :okthumb:

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its all about ROI (money and time). for some people it makes perfect sense to work 18hrs a day, competing with 500,000 idiots for 5K a month just so they can temporarily dodge their real destiny of flipping burgers. for those who know their earning potential and the value of their time and considering the general instability of this business, its not worth it.

i agree with jace in the sense that its stupid to bicker back and forth between n00bs and early guys... but its no less stupid to be completely broke and naive and challenge the history, knowledge and experience of those who have been there and done it. the business is full of fads that come and go weekly and monthly. what worked well in 97 did not work in 98. what worked well in 2004, didn't in 2005. so what? nothing new. but at the end of the day, you are selling and trading a commodity. the basics are timeless. sales are sales. customers are customers, traffic is traffic. quality is quality. value is value. customer service is customer service. that was true in 97. its true today.... no matter how badly many here would like to think differently.

:inlove:

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Jace, you need to teach your knowledge... so others may follow in your footsteps. Teach them "how to do" and "what to do". You be their leader, and they will follow you. Do not waste your energy on old timers - go out there and teach a man how to fish, teach him where to fish, and teach him to teach others. Soon the word will be spread, and the world will be a better place, where every husband will make millions selling nakkid pictures of his wife.

:okthumb:

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and at the end of the day I think this is something we all can agree on

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is it jealousy that fires your posting or hatred or what? you keep bringing up me selling pics of my wife, but fact remains I am naked on those pics too, so in turn is she selling me? cause I am lost...when it is something we enjoy doing TOGETHER, how am I the only one that seems to be taking flack for it? why don't people talk to her about how she is pimping me out? you act as thought I am some pedophile that is pimping out his 14 year old wife for cash without her knowing any better...and to suggest that I am forcing her to do anything against her will is just ignorant due to her intelligence level being off the charts

and btw, I have no desire to teach anyone...I do fine by myself and make a nice living doing what I do...though, if someone wants to ask I will be more than happy to answer without belittling them and being snobby about it.

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:clapping: :groupwave :clapping:

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At the risk of breaking the negative flow of the thread.... Jace, if you're serious in what you replied to me and want help and weren't just being sarcastic, then I'd say that the fact that you are censoring the breasts, which really makes no sense since they aren't obscene and showing breasts is in no way giving away free porn, is going to hurt your sales. I'd suggest removing the censoring. I'd also recommend making the tour much harder core. To me, it's too soft.

You do have some small sample hardcore pics in the scrolling section on the first page so I know your wife does more than just pose for cheesecake shots, but the average surfer that looks at the site won't know that.

As I mentioned before, I do think there are better ways to spend 12 hours a day than xpeeps and Myspace.

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I was being sarcastic about the myspace thing dude, while we are on there, everything we do is automated, I have a bot set up on another machine that does all the myspace shit automatically

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"been there. done it. been around the world many times. seen and done more amazing things than most will in 50 lifetimes. all because of my hard work and what it allowed me to do and the money it made me."

I spit up my beer when I read this. Just after putting the cover on my fake 930.
Dude, your fifty lifetimes.....give me a break. Been around the world many times? With that kind of sophistication, I am shocked that you are so threatened by a new generation of entrepreneurs. Kid, I have no idea whatsoever about your world travels. I have no idea how much money you make or have made. I have no idea what kind of car you drive of who fucks your wife. And I actually don't care. I see an angry guy who feels threatened. If you actually did make large and you actually managed to keep it...unlike many....then good luck to you. But wtf are you here insulting the shit out of others in this business? You have probably made money pimping lots of women. So why this concern about how others run their business?
So, come back. Insult everyone's family again. Be the sophisticated raconteur that you know is just screaming to get out.
Or, drink off your when we stories. If we ever meet, which I am sure will be never, you bring your passports, I will bring mine. And we can trade round the world war zone, famine, and political stories from all the places we have been...real or imagined.

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Okay, I won't bother wasting any more time then with you. My apologies for interupting your fun.

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actually, since we threw that new tour up our conversions have gotten twice as good...while before when I showed hardcore on the tour we were getting a steady 1:800-1000, we now are at a consistant 1:300-500 across the board...I have affiliates that I have had for years emailing me thanking me for putting up that new tour becuase they can't believe how much better it is doing.

I have a second tour going up in the next week that will have a little more action on it, but it will still be censored to an extent, but because of the amateur nature of the tour it will be much more revealing.

After that, next month, I will be having a full on hardcore tour made for a 3rd tour...but even that will be censored to an extent.

so, while I used to agree that the surfer needed to see more before he would join, I am doubting it now...I actually think that surfers are much smarter these days and can understand why tours have censored parts, and I can't imagine that a few little stars is going to convince the surfer that she doesn't actually have boobs, and therefor they won't join

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hey man, I am all for advice and helpful criticism, it is when you all belittle and poke fun that makes me not take you all seriously....and I hate to group you guys into one group because I know you all are each individuals, but you all seem to have this tag team thing going on for anyone that doesn't agree with you or share your views. and while I respect that most of you have seen things in this biz that I could only imagine, I also see this contempt that you all have for anyone that is outside your knitting circle

I just want helpful/useful business discussions, and you all don't seem to want that, you all seem to have more interest in another agenda

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Question/Comment:
Isn't popularity also a factor?
At a certain point the name & the face become know by surfers, and then the full nudity is not truly needed in the tours to attract attencion until they get into actual paysite?

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Jace, where the fuck have I ever poked fun or belittled you? Dude, someone came along that actually tried to answer your questions which I assumed were legit questions and now you've lumped me in with the others that do nothing but attack you.

I see you now as a true Opranaught and not someone that actually wants to learn as you claim. If you had been honest in the first place I wouldn't have made the suggestions I did. Instead you were a smartass punk and now I'll leave you to having fun stirring up the oldies, which is apparently the only reason you're here since you obviously have this all figured out and are getting rich.

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I see you've finally understand the new mentality.

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Hammer, I would like to apologize to you, I mistook you for one of the "oldies" that has it out for me around here. I assumed that was all that was left here posting because they pretty much have ran everyone else off.

once again, I apologize and would love to have some intelligent convos with you if you will still give me the time of day

I need to start a list or something with all the fake nicks and oldies on it so I can keep track and cross reference while I post

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meh

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I can understand the confusion, but I'm still unclear at what point I appeared condescending or trite in my replies to your posts. Now it appears that I was offering advice based on misinformation and sarcasm which I hadn't picked up on. Surely you've noticed by now that I'm not considered an 'oldie' around here.

Unfortunately, I think the likelihood of us having intelligent convos on this board are slim.

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Oh, you two - its so sweet seeing you making up... I think I'm going to cry :wub:

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Do you need a shoulder to cry on old man?

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Thanks - I will be alright, do not need your hairy lady shoulders this time :inlove:

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:rolleyes:

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Mike AI wouldnt even give up a nipple on his tours. Seemed to have worked out well for him.

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I was stoked when I got my first link on PK and Boogie's sites back in the day...


wow, this thread brought back some memories

:thumbsup

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First time one of my sites got listed on PK's she sent me 20k hits the first day.

I damn near crapped my shorts.

And I'll also never forget how great it felt when those emails from Tommy's would arrive. That guy helped me more than he'll ever know too.

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I totally hear that man, it was almost too easy back then...well except for the b/w pricing, made that end a bit of a dance...


:)

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Todd, just to bring you up to speed. Jace is one of the main guys here now... major surfmaster!


(btw he's talking about his wife :lmao1: )

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I had over 80% of my network on adult freehosts back then. :yowsa:

Laughing here, but damn I had almost zero overhead and was pulling in over 4-5 times what I used to make during the 15 years I worked as a health care worker at a local hospital.