Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

I'm not into goth chicks..in fact I want to punch them...but that is neither here nor there.

I just realised one of the things I do when I find an unfamilar affiliate program is go I look to see if they list who the people involved are, with a bio.

If they don't I don't join.

I look to see if there is a phone number contact and a physical address that looks like a real office.If there isn't one , I don't join.

My reasoning is it appears they are being run out of a back bedroom somewhere.

Would you trust someone who you have no info about , who seem to be undercapitalised to owe you 50k? I wouldn't.

Also I don't and will not join a Rev Share program.Most whales won't unless they know the person well.

If I see Rev share solely ( No paypaersignup option) I again suspect the program is undercapitalised.

Just some general thoughts..

Originally Posted by sarettah

That's what gets me a lot of times..

Hey, I'm a newbie. Sponsor, I want Free hosted galleries, I want text links and descriptions, I want free content, I want you to host my free sites..wait, hell with that, I want you to build some Free Hosted Free sites and linklists with my ref code in them because even though I want to be king of the net I don't want to have to learn HTML and while you're at it why don't you prepay me for the 100 joins a month that you are going to send to yourself in my name.

Oh, and send me a laptop and an ipod while you're at it.

And don't you dare shave me, because then I will bad mouth your name on every board I can find because you are taking away from all my hard work.


As far as number of posts to become an established webmaster......lolololololololololololol.....

That's the best one I've heard in a while...lolololol...

On GFY, to become an established webmaster figure 1000 posts unless you creatively attack the right playa or have a bunch of shills come in and vouch for you in which case you can become established in under 100 :okthumb:

Originally Posted by Red

This unfortunately is so true. Webmasters are handed everything and it's difficult to have your affiliate program compete now without giving away the farm.

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

In theory, marketing materials aimed at whales makes sense.

Methinks in practice, however, that the best way to recruit whales is to ensure "there is a phone number contact and a physical address that looks like a real office", and include "contact us for high-volume arrangements" [or words to that effect] in your materials.

I'm assuming they are not likely to simply click a join form and start sending traffic - although I'd be interested in knowing if I'm wrong about that.

Since there is no guarantee that only whales will see the "whale banners", I don't know that this is a realistic idea. There are plenty of heavy hitters around here, but there are also plenty of legends in their own minds, and I just don't think you can target whales on an open BBS.

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Interesting...

I know a few affiliate programs that you will never see advertising.

Never see someones banner in there sig.

And must pay out fortunes every week.

And all they tell you is "here's the url..here is the stats page"

No other help at all.

Originally Posted by slavdogg

these are also programs that dont keep upto date
and dont do enough to make sure their shit converts

Originally Posted by slavdogg

these are also programs that dont keep upto date
and dont do enough to make sure their shit converts

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Lurkers...no need to decloak but go and vote here....

http://oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=45012

And vote honestly please :)

Originally Posted by sarettah

I think he means

Each board a sponsor advertises on gets:

The exact same banners
The exact same sticky threads
The exact same message

Rather than the sponsor customizing their message out to match the population of the board.

I think :)

Originally Posted by sarettah

Don't know if it was you asking or me threatening to get nekkid again but whatever it was worked :okthumb:

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Nope , didn't mean the old ones that never change anything and are really just taking in the rebills.

Originally Posted by slavdogg

name names?
do i know them ?
why am i not doing biz with them ?
if i dont know them, they're not important enough ..

i highly doubt u can name few programs like that you're referring to Nick

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Gambling , pharma and financial affiliate programs.

Originally Posted by slavdogg

no doubt, there are dozens of programs like that in those markets
some legal, some not. I assumed you meant adult programs.

now are you running any of those programs ??
hit me up if u do or if u want to recommend them to us.
otherwise why post about em.

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

However they don't want to chime in on business because:

a.) no fucker listens..
b.) they will get in a moronic piss with someone without a clue
c.) there comments will be lost in the 100 "great programs" , "Awesome" "congratulation" posts...

:)

Originally Posted by Vick

Or why I don't post new ideas .....

.... they'll get copied soon enough without me giving the blue print somewhere

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

I'm not into goth chicks..in fact I want to punch them...but that is neither here nor there.

I just realised one of the things I do when I find an unfamilar affiliate program is go I look to see if they list who the people involved are, with a bio.

If they don't I don't join.

I look to see if there is a phone number contact and a physical address that looks like a real office.If there isn't one , I don't join.

My reasoning is it appears they are being run out of a back bedroom somewhere.

Would you trust someone who you have no info about , who seem to be undercapitalised to owe you 50k? I wouldn't.

Also I don't and will not join a Rev Share program.Most whales won't unless they know the person well.

If I see Rev share solely ( No paypaersignup option) I again suspect the program is undercapitalised.

Just some general thoughts..

Originally Posted by Osiris

Ok, back to what I was going to say, some of at least. I forgot everything I did have..



When you're right, you're right. We don't have an external office outside of the house, and we are way under capitalised. I believe the guy that is "supposed" to be our partner does it the same way and has a successful revshare program from what I know. Again, my definition of success and yours is probably entirely different.

Why don't whales like revshare? If the sites convert/retain members that's long term income. I thought that would be well accepted by people that like to make money, guess I was wrong?


Nowhere near what I had typed out yesterday, oh well. Maybe it'll come back to me as we continue.

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Some might like revshare.

Personally I don't.

It means trusting the sites processor. ( not a risk I want to take)

It also means trusting the ability of the site operator to retain , update his sites etc etc. ( not a risk I want to take)

Instead of sending to Revshare programs basically back in the day I thought fuck it.

I'll build my own paysites.

That worked pretty well too.

I mean from a whales point of view...

so what does it take to build your own paysite with great content and a half decent design...4k? hmmm hire your own designer and build 15 different front ends all drawing from the same content pool....

Originally Posted by Osiris

Nick, wouldn't PPS be the same in the sense of processors? I mean, if a PPS only has one processor, and that processor went out of business, that sponsor might not be able to pay. Didn't this happen with a few PPS programs before?

Originally Posted by Osiris

Alright, I see what you're saying. :okthumb:


TheEnforcer, it's understandable in the example to take the 1 time payment of 10,000 vs. annual payments of 2k over a 5 year period, just an example. But it doesn't quite work like that with revshare. With revshare, as long as the site converts and you can build up and maintain 10k a month, that's 10k per month for as long as the site rebills. :)

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

""TheEnforcer, it's understandable in the example to take the 1 time payment of 10,000 vs. annual payments of 2k over a 5 year period, just an example. But it doesn't quite work like that with revshare. With revshare, as long as the site converts and you can build up and maintain 10k a month, that's 10k per month for as long as the site rebills. ""

Whats your average earn per join?

Originally Posted by Osiris

PPS: $35
Revshare: $10-$15



Enforcer, good points!

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

I think he's talking about what your average TOTAL value for a signup is for rev share. IE- over the life of your average recurring member how much money do you make off of them?

Originally Posted by Osiris

Derrrrr! LOL

Ok, depending on the site a member usually stays on average 3 months. So 30.00-45.00

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

You are new to this huh???

..let me help ya a tad...

""Recent test we have done show that the average earn to a revshare webmaster would be $57.84 over the life of the member"

;-))

Originally Posted by Osiris

Mind saying what program that's with?


Maybe I'm seeing things wrong. But I see no harm in building up a nice recurring, month after month 5-10k income. It may take a little while to get there. But once it's there, it's there if the members you get stay. This depends on the sponsor also.

I like PPS, I'm just trying to understand the beef people have with revshare.. :)

Originally Posted by sudden

If a program can make $55-60 from a signup on average, there's going to be programs that pay $35 per signup upfront - why take revshare?

The only reason I can think of, would be if there was a program that converted outrageously high - and only offered revshare. But chances
are if they did convert that well, it wouldn't take long for them to arrange for a funds reserve to be able to do upfront PPS.