Originally Posted by JoesHO1

The difference is this ..

Republicans -- corrupt for the big business and privledged ( not earned but old time family money rooted in corruption from the beggining of the land grab.

democrats -- corrupt for euqality of the masses they act in accordance with the majority of people in mind ( I am not speaking of majority of 38% of the country that voted. I am talking about 100% of the body count in the country.

do i think both are corrupt, sure I do I am far from nieve

however I am talking about abuse of power , and that my friend is the issue with THIS presdident, at THIS time in histroy. and is it corruption for the masses? or corruption for the few to benifite????

Originally Posted by JR

3 wrongs don't make a right? I was attempting to comment on your bias towards every issue. You have taken Dig420's place here. Or RawAlex. You are very liberal in your thinking and you are biased towards liberal ideas and you cannot accept that. Its not right or wrong, good or bad... it just is what it is. But at some point you might want to be honest with yourself about your perceptions and how your views might affect your perceptions of whats going on in the world.

You dont hate the fact that Bush might be a bad president. You hate the fact that Bush is a Republican, Congress is Republican, Senate is Republican etc.. Sorry... thats the deal. The people have spoken. If there was a Democratic president in office you would be both touting his/her greatness constantly while pointing out that Republicans are still trying to ruin the country. Thats not a balanced view of the world rooted in objectivity and understanding.... thats simply a consistent pattern of behavior.

Sorry to wake me up? What are you suggesting? that i am somehow ignorant of everything going on in the world? That you are more intelligent and enlightened in your views than i am?

Your condescension is rooted in your bias. For you to be right, 50% of the voters have to be wrong. For you to be right about everything with your polarized view of the world, you have to summarily reject the views of others.

It takes a lot of arrogance to say "50% of voters are absolutely wrong and i am 100% right" in my opinion.

And what about my views? Well.... when the choice was between Bush and Gore, I felt Bush was the better choice. I believed that based on the info at the time. When Kerry came along, i was really dissapointed as i had hoped that Democrats could offer up an electable candidate that could win. At the time, Bush was the better choice in my opinon.

Everyone tends to act as if we can have perfect politicians creating a perfect government. My point about my remarks about Clinton is that anyone can go on a tirade about Clinton, his sex scandals, rapes, white water, stock scandals, lying to congress, bombing kosovo without UN Permission and so on. I dont have a problem with Clinton. Thats what you will probably never see with your political tunnel vision. Clinton and Bush are two sides of the same coin. Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. To say one is more corrupt, more priveledged or more pure of character is absolute absurdity and ignorant in my opinion. Any person who wants the job is the worst person for the job.

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

Aw, now wait a minute here ... killed in relation to Whitewater?

How is it that Slick Willie gets caught at everything he's ever done - but he gets away with murder? The only thing the Special Prosecuter neglected in investigate was whether Clinton stole extra fucking food from the cafeteria when he was in second grade.

The best the people out to get him could come up with is lying about a fucking blowjob - and the Republicans who wanted it so bad didn't have the balls to follow through with it once the best friend they ever had in that investigation - Clinton himself - gave them all the ammunition they could have dreamed of.

Back away from the crack pipe, JR ...

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

JR ... have you got your bot out again? :)

I'm not trying to do a compare and contrast on the "evilness" factors of Clinton v Bush. I suspect that both would more than exceed the requirements for The Big Blue Meanie society.

You are making allegations of murder against Clinton. I think that's patently absurd. I think is patenly absurd when anyone made those kind of allegations against the Bush family - and a quick Google search will uncover a list of alleged bodies just as long as those supposedly tallied on Clinton's account.

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

JR ... have you got your bot out again? :)

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

You never answered my question. :) Unless, of course, unregistered was you.

Originally Posted by JR

3 wrongs don't make a right? I was attempting to comment on your bias towards every issue. You have taken Dig420's place here. Or RawAlex. You are very liberal in your thinking and you are biased towards liberal ideas and you cannot accept that. Its not right or wrong, good or bad... it just is what it is. But at some point you might want to be honest with yourself about your perceptions and how your views might affect your perceptions of whats going on in the world.

You dont hate the fact that Bush might be a bad president. You hate the fact that Bush is a Republican, Congress is Republican, Senate is Republican etc.. Sorry... thats the deal. The people have spoken. If there was a Democratic president in office you would be both touting his/her greatness constantly while pointing out that Republicans are still trying to ruin the country. Thats not a balanced view of the world rooted in objectivity and understanding.... thats simply a consistent pattern of behavior.

Originally Posted by JR

Your condescension is rooted in your bias. For you to be right, 50% of the voters have to be wrong. For you to be right about everything with your polarized view of the world, you have to summarily reject the views of others.

It takes a lot of arrogance to say "50% of voters are absolutely wrong and i am 100% right" in my opinion.

Originally Posted by JR

Everyone tends to act as if we can have perfect politicians creating a perfect government. My point about my remarks about Clinton is that anyone can go on a tirade about Clinton, his sex scandals, rapes, white water, stock scandals, lying to congress, bombing kosovo without UN Permission and so on. I dont have a problem with Clinton. Thats what you will probably never see with your political tunnel vision. Clinton and Bush are two sides of the same coin. Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. To say one is more corrupt, more priveledged or more pure of character is absolute absurdity and ignorant in my opinion. Any person who wants the job is the worst person for the job.

Originally Posted by JoesHO1

GW has put the USA on a fucking mass suicidal train wreck and drove us completely in to the friggin ground on all fronts, domestic, foreign, constitutional history..

financial, polorization I mean the list is endless

Originally Posted by JoesHO1

I mean I watch the weasle cocksucker on a news conference say he has to CUT unnecassary spending ( like schools and teachers, and roads and you know little petty things like those , proper body armour or benifites for our troops , etc...) so that he can come up with enough money to " Help re build New orleans" and to " keep fighting the war on terror"

but then him and his gongess posses decide to allocate funds and resources to fight US???? LEGAL PORN whhat the fuck is going on here ?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...901570_pf.html

Originally Posted by Torone

You are so full of shit, it's a wonder you can stay in the same room with yourself...

Originally Posted by Torone

You are so full of shit, it's a wonder you can stay in the same room with yourself...

Originally Posted by Grump

Easiest way to see this happening is when their best defense is to point to the other guy and ask if he would have been any better. Those blinders must be very soothing.

Originally Posted by Rolo

You got us all figured out :okthumb:

Originally Posted by XxXotic

was nothing to figure out really, he has a valid point. Almost every person I know who voted for bush has said those EXACT words to me "Would Kerry have done anything different?"

who's to say what woulda, coulda, shoulda been done and if that's your only defense then you've pretty much proven yourself a fool who can't admit you were wrong.

Originally Posted by XxXotic

was nothing to figure out really, he has a valid point. Almost every person I know who voted for bush has said those EXACT words to me "Would Kerry have done anything different?"

who's to say what woulda, coulda, shoulda been done and if that's your only defense then you've pretty much proven yourself a fool who can't admit you were wrong.

Originally Posted by Rolo

So by your logic the question "hey YOU fucking hypocrite republicans, still glad you voted for Bush?" is really not a question to be answered by ex. taking the 2 only presidential candidates and comparing them, if you had to vote again:scratchin

The question asked in this thread was not "Do you think Bush is doing a good job?"... no the question was "hey YOU fucking hypocrite republicans, still glad you voted for Bush?"...

Originally Posted by XxXotic

If your best defense of Bush is that question, you're obviously trying to back pedal and defend your position of weakness because you know bush fucked up and now you feel foolish for supporting a criminal.

Originally Posted by XxXotic

does it matter? No. Regardless of the question, if your answer is "would kerry have done any better" you're an idiot. No one here is Kreskin, nor do we have the ability to turn back time and see the future to say whether he would or would not have.

If your best defense of Bush is that question, you're obviously trying to back pedal and defend your position of weakness because you know bush fucked up and now you feel foolish for supporting a criminal.

We can argue semantics all day, fact remains, he does have a valid point if that's the best comeback anyone can come up with

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

The response to Hurricane Katrina has nothing to do with Bush being a born-again neo-con Republican.

The federal response to Katrina didn't fail because of ideaology. It failed because of incomptence.

Originally Posted by Pressto

Actually one of the things I dislike with President Bush has been his run away spending on education since he has taken office. What gets me is how the media has presented this and the fact that people think President Bush is soft on education spend when in fact he has increased that budget by %50 since taking office. Now I would think this would be great if we didn't have the huge deficit we have now. You might try to go to the source instead believing the media and left wing slant on President Bush and education.
http://www.ed.gov/about/overview/bud...ory/index.html

This is another good example of media slant and bias. When President Clinton was in office they would have said. "The Department of Justice" and not "Bush Administration". I did a search on "Bush Administration's war on porn" because this was the first I heard about that and found only this article stated that. Also how many are involved in this "war'? Hmm, I saw they want maybe 10 people and you believe that is a Army fighting a "War"? Yea right.

Originally Posted by Rolo

Even the genius ask questions - but I´m glad that I´m now also weak, foolish and supporting the criminals... makes me almost sound like I´m a Democrat :)

Originally Posted by JR

asking the question "would kerry have done it all better" is not an admission of anything, not a defense of anything and certainly not proof of someone being wrong. to state that is, also assumes that Kerry would have been better which simply cannot be proven. you might want to believe it and thats fine. but it can't be proven. are you starting to see the flaws in your logic yet? be angry, thats fine... be upset... great! but do try to be rational and not resort to the reasoning of a 5 year old to defend your point.

what you are trying to say in a very backwards and illogical way is that YOU feel everyone who voted for bush was wrong and that YOU are angry and upset.

Originally Posted by XxXotic

if you say so Dr. Phil. I'd worry less about trying to psycho-analyze my posts and more about the real point here. I didn't say Kerry would do a better job, though in my opinion a fresh pile of dog shit could do a better job then Bush has. I'm not angry, or upset... there's no point to it. How do you figure I'm acting like a 5 year old? Because I backed up someone's point which was valid? Get over yourself long enough to realize it was in fact a valid point that he made. Nothing more. And once you're done getting over yourself, please tell me how I have the "reasoning of a 5 year old" because I said what I did? Sorry, if it makes me a 5 year old to think that anyone whose only response is "would so and so do a better job" is a fucking idiot. Who cares who *would have* done a better job, the fact is it's Bush's job and he's fucked up monumentally.

You're too hung up on the what if's and not the what is. Maybe when you actually reach the reasoning levels of a 5 year old, you'll understand that point.

And for the record, if I believe something, I'll let you know, until then do me the favor of not putting words in my mouth.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

i have never seen someone sooo "no angry" that soooooo needed anger management therapy. you have missed every point entirely to keep chanting that bush is an asshole. no one is disputing this and you continue to make my point for me as your first assumption and the basis of your rambling is that i am pro-bush, which i am not.

thanks again!

Originally Posted by XxXotic

I can feel myself getting dumber just responding to your posts

Originally Posted by JR

the enevitable result of you trying to think, apparently. save your strength big guy, i will stop posting because i can see its not in your own best interest and i did not intend to compromise your mental health.

you are a very angry person. its regretful. life is very short. you will not change the fact that Bush is president with your anger and rage. you only hurt yourself and those around you unless of course you also think that Bush is feeling your pain with his CIA approved brainwave scanner - but i am sure you have taken the necessary precautions for that as well.

Originally Posted by JoesHO1

Did I metnion I think Bush sucks?

seriously, I think he will go downn as the WORST president in history whe nall is said and done.

What do you think the history books will say about Clinton? ( Mr. that is )

Originally Posted by Torone

You are so full of shit, it's a wonder you can stay in the same room with yourself...