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Dravyk 04-22-2005 07:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by RuthXtremePay+Apr 22 2005, 04:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RuthXtremePay @ Apr 22 2005, 04:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:
Originally posted by StreetRacer@Apr 22 2005, 01:10 PM
i gotta run out

believe what you want :)
How convenient[/b]

<!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Apr 22 2005, 05:15 PM
Wheres all that Extreme Pay counterspin now?[/quote]
Looks as though they "conveniently ran", Gonzo. :P

Nice job as well, Technick. :okthumb:

Anthony 04-22-2005 07:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Technick@Apr 22 2005, 02:07 PM
As I understand it the DEA's complaint is this:

Operation “Cyber Chase” targeted major pharmaceutical drug traffickers who allegedly shipped Schedule II-V pharmaceutical controlled substances including narcotics, amphetamines, and anabolic steroids directly to buyers of all ages without the medical examination by a physician required by U.S. law.

(Taken from: http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/pressrel/pr042005.html)

These guys were committing a number of very serious crimes:

1) Importing of class II drugs into the US. Heroin is a class II drug so it is no different in the eyes of the law than someone mailing you a bag of heroin.

2) Repackaging drugs within the US. They were basically splitting up bags of pills sent to them and resending them without any pharmacist's license. Again consider the heroin analogy and you'll see its no different to dealing.

3) Using non FDA approved drugs. This is illegal if you are a doctor or pharmacist or not. Customs will occasionally allow special dispensation for certain drugs if, for example, a life saving or prolonging drug is unavailable in the US. But this dispensation must be sought on a personal level.

4) Failure to provide a doctor's medical examination. These can be only provided through a US licensed doctor and in the case of vicodin, oxycodone, phentermine etc. one with a DEA license. As I understand it however an online questionnaire, if reviewed by a doctor, does constitute a medical examination. But these guys weren't even doing that.

The operation appears to have been sparked by the overdose death of a minor who had ordered vicodin from one of these operators. The operator I believe received a 20 year sentence.

I should add most of this information was gleaned from a lawyer we contacted regarding the legality of setting up an internet pharmacy. He confirmed our common sense thoughts on this practice and as a result we didn't touch it with a bargepole.
Interesting.

Very interesting.

Just reading those points made would definately make the choice who I would do business with. :)

Nickatilynx 04-22-2005 07:13 PM
Exactly!!

... hence who I do , do business with , and who I recommend people to talk to :)

gonzo 04-24-2005 05:10 AM
Extreme Pays = Extreme Jail time.

Funny how when Drav connected the dots the mouths got shut. Ruth since your going to need a new job I think Iraq is looking for a new Minister of Information.

StreetRacer 04-24-2005 12:58 PM
It's alright, i forgive ruth...she is only trying to cover their ass.

Ruth, monster.com is a good place to start

funkmaster 05-04-2005 07:07 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Dravyk@Apr 22 2005, 01:18 PM
I have nothing against ExtremePay, I have nothing for them, I don't know them nor anyone there. I have no agendas.

I'm just a fact checker.

With that in mind, Ruth, please explain the following:

According to the indictment, the distributors included: KEVIN ATKINSON (operator of performancemarketingltd.com

Whois info for, performancemarketingltd.com:
Registrant:
PMG
Suite #659
718 - 333 Brooksbank Ave
North Vancouver, BC V7J 3V8
CA

Whois info for, extremepay.com:
Registrant:
Zambanie Enterprises
Suite #659
718 - 333 Brooksbank Ave
North Vancouver, BC V7J3V8
CA

"the only way we're connected is through this crap posted on these boards..."
... wonder why ruth never responded to this ??

Trev 05-04-2005 07:24 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by funkmaster+May 5 2005, 12:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (funkmaster @ May 5 2005, 12:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Dravyk@Apr 22 2005, 01:18 PM
I have nothing against ExtremePay, I have nothing for them, I don't know them nor anyone there. I have no agendas.

I'm just a fact checker.

With that in mind, Ruth, please explain the following:

According to the indictment, the distributors included: KEVIN ATKINSON (operator of performancemarketingltd.com

Whois info for, performancemarketingltd.com:
Registrant:
PMG
Suite #659
718 - 333 Brooksbank Ave
North Vancouver, BC V7J 3V8
CA

Whois info for, extremepay.com:
Registrant:
Zambanie Enterprises
Suite #659
718 - 333 Brooksbank Ave
North Vancouver, BC V7J3V8
CA

"the only way we're connected is through this crap posted on these boards..."
... wonder why ruth never responded to this ?? [/b][/quote]
It's hard to fight the truth with lies and bullshit!

JR 05-04-2005 07:31 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 24 2005, 01:11 AM
Extreme Pays = Extreme Jail time.

Funny how when Drav connected the dots the mouths got shut. Ruth since your going to need a new job I think Iraq is looking for a new Minister of Information.
i always enjoy how people in the wrong tend to push until it is proved in an open forum that they are wrong.

Dravyk 05-05-2005 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by Trev+May 4 2005, 06:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Trev @ May 4 2005, 06:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:
Originally posted by funkmaster@May 5 2005, 12:08 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Dravyk
Quote:
@Apr 22 2005, 01:18 PM
I have nothing against ExtremePay, I have nothing for them, I don't know them nor anyone there. I have no agendas.

I'm just a fact checker.

With that in mind, Ruth, please explain the following:

According to the indictment, the distributors included: KEVIN ATKINSON (operator of performancemarketingltd.com

Whois info for, performancemarketingltd.com:
Registrant:
PMG
Suite #659
718 - 333 Brooksbank Ave
North Vancouver, BC V7J 3V8
CA

Whois info for, extremepay.com:
Registrant:
Zambanie Enterprises
Suite #659
718 - 333 Brooksbank Ave
North Vancouver, BC V7J3V8
CA

"the only way we're connected is through this crap posted on these boards..."

... wonder why ruth never responded to this ??
It's hard to fight the truth with lies and bullshit! [/b][/quote]
:okthumb:

Robin 05-05-2005 10:32 PM
The Internet doesn't shield you from the law - just because you do it on-line doesn't release you from anything. Anyone caught like this deserves what they get. Drug trafficing is illegal.

Now... They could have got away with it doing high BP meds, Antibiotics, antacids and so on - but scheduled drugs?

They were inviting prison sentences right there...

gonzo 05-09-2005 02:30 PM
Ruth seems to be ok .....


http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=465401

Dravyk 05-09-2005 02:36 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by gonzo@May 9 2005, 01:31 PM
Ruth seems to be ok .....

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=465401
To put it nicely ... some fucking weird hiring choices some companies have made recently. :blink:

Rolo 05-09-2005 02:42 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Dravyk+May 9 2005, 10:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dravyk @ May 9 2005, 10:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@May 9 2005, 01:31 PM
Ruth seems to be ok .....

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=465401
To put it nicely ... some fucking weird hiring choices some companies have made recently. :blink: [/b][/quote]
support reps are not business people... so they should just STFU when it comes to business... :)

JoesHO 05-09-2005 02:46 PM
I have never met ruth, but I guess she decided that things with extremepay were not gonna work out ?

Actions always tell me much more than words.

I am sorry to see the extremepay people have such a bad time, I really like JMan and I know he was there for a while.

good luck to all in their future endeavors.

( Ruth I do not ike being lied to though) so at least come back and apologize for trying to steer peopl wrong here on Oprano with your denials, and attempts to slander a person like street racer that was just giving the honest help that webmasters need to make informed desicions! It is in my mind the most decent thing you can do, to show me that you are a caring person and not just someone that will tell people anything to get a buck out of them .

The Other Steve 05-09-2005 03:06 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by JoesHO1@May 9 2005, 10:47 AM
I have never met ruth, but I guess she decided that things with extremepay were not gonna work out ?

Actions always tell me much more than words.

I am sorry to see the extremepay people have such a bad time, I really like JMan and I know he was there for a while.

good luck to all in their future endeavors.

( Ruth I do not ike being lied to though) so at least come back and apologize for trying to steer peopl wrong here on Oprano with your denials, and attempts to slander a person like street racer that was just giving the honest help that webmasters need to make informed desicions! It is in my mind the most decent thing you can do, to show me that you are a caring person and not just someone that will tell people anything to get a buck out of them .
But Joe that's just SOP for this industry and you'll find it listed in the handbook just below the suggestion that you should blame the rogue designer.

If someone catches you with your pants down immediately try to destroy their reputation.

Facing up to the truth and admitting you were wrong is for pussies.

Nickatilynx 05-09-2005 03:59 PM
So is extremepay dead then?

gonzo 05-09-2005 04:00 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@May 9 2005, 03:00 PM
So is extremepay dead then?
Ruth says Street Racer was full of shit. "Extreme Pay is rockin"!

wwc-mahoney 05-09-2005 05:25 PM
Yeah I heard about this. I knew it was only a matter of time :huh:

AndyK 05-09-2005 07:00 PM
Would imagine they are done from all the bad press, lately and in the past.

Will ask Kevin if I see him around.


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