:lol: :lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
I love pushpills. Any guy you have to follow around with disclaimers is alright with me.

is this like 'there is no money to be made in tgps' Vick?

So first you get the traffic .......................... then where do you send it? You just said yourself 'tweak it with the right content'. If traffic could work by itself, without content, why did your sentence have a second half?

Its funny how so many of you need to jump back to your old argument 'traffic is king', and yet you immediately follow it with 'then you tweak the content to make the traffic valuable' :rolleyes:

Not 1 of you has said ANYTHING that proves traffic (without content) is king. Lots of 'but its easy to get cheap content' or 'anyone can make a page' ... lots of 'if i had 100k se hits and 100k in content i'd choose traffic' blah blah

Note, I never said *anything* along the lines of choosing between the 2 ...

So effectively, the argument is traffic is king ... as long as you send it to the right content?

So how important are the subjects and bodies of the messages you email people? I know you've become a master over the years and can write the copy in seconds, but it probably has to be tweaked regularly to keep up with filters and trends?

Deliverability relies on what's in your message, so how are you going to GET the traffic without the content?

So what is written on a spam email is content?

Getting a tad tenious now...lol

Grogan,

The day you think you are too smart to revisit the basics is the day you stop learning.

Unless you convert all your traffic at 1/1, you still have something to learn. Every one of us can still learn MUCH about managing the relationship between traffic and content.

Let me give you an example of some of a classic.


Subject : George Bush is dead (make it dynamic with a few thousand celeb names)



set against you joing this site!

Click here!


....so that now is content?

ok. point taken. its a dumb thread.

good luck with getting that 100k in targetted se hits without treating every word on your site as content :okthumb:

Grogan,

The day you think you are too smart to revisit the basics is the day you stop learning.

Unless you convert all your traffic at 1/1, you still have something to learn. Every one of us can still learn MUCH about managing the relationship between traffic and content. [/b][/quote]
That is a good post!


However comparing my alledged mail to content is a little weak lol.

I supose 5 million dynamic and cloaked SE pages are content too?

;-)))

CJ,

The accepted definition of content in adult is:


Pictures
Video
Stories
Games

ok Nick. as I said, good luck to you generating 100k se hits if you think content is pics, videos, stories and games :okthumb:

Is advertising material content or is it merely advertising material? When I think of content I think of the stuff they look at, watch, read, etc that makes them want to stay/keep coming back to some site. I don't think of a tour (though it has content in it it beeomes an ad/marketing tool when used in the selling process), text ads, etc. as content myself because that is what gets them to buy initially and NOT what gets them to come back or join the site.

CJ - Traffic and Content go hand in hand but

Traffic has to lead in the dance

Go build the best site ever with the most amazing content, what is it with out traffic?

Traffic is King. Content is Queen.

What's the best traffic? That which makes the most money. On the same program one person's AVS traffic doing 1:50 with 25 sales is identical to another person's TGP traffic doing 1:2000 with 25 sales. The fact it takes the first person only 1,250 hits and the other 50,000 to achieve the same result is in the end irrelevant.

*We* dont tweak content... the people that have the hassle of content do that to earn our traffic. Content is an asset, but you can have all the content in the world, and have nothing with no traffic.. but if you have traffic, you have bling :bjump:

Nick threw out a pearl of an anology the other day about Saltmines and Goldmines.

For me, finding and playing with traffic is fun and still feels like I'm working a gold vein... managing content production or even dealing with having to care about what picture content sells to TGP surfers would be like working in a saltmine to me.

As long as you can keep doing almost anything consistently in this biz you can make money imho.. making millions may not be easy anymore.. but putting together a million whilst having fun is still easy enough, with patience and consistency. Whatever you can do to make your million/s is your gold mine.. and thank r-n there is people out there to make the traffic i scrounge up worth soemthing ;-)

Grab all the traffic in the world, but what are you going to do with it if you dont have somewhere to send it that someone is willing to pay for?

chicken

egg

egg

chicken

Surely its a matter of supply and demand at any given time to decide which is more valuable.

Right now bulk traffic of quality is getting harder and more expensive to attain , but from what I read here and elsewhere , creating unique content is getting easier and cheaper , as well as becoming the norm.

BUZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nickdark was the first to say "supply and demand" LOL

CJ, you bore me to tears.

No ... that's marketing.

You can't do a damned thing with either the cocksucking chicken or the cocksucking egg without a cocksucking frying pan.

Al Swearingen

No ... that's marketing. [/b][/quote]
I agree totally.

Grab all the traffic in the world, but what are you going to do with it if you dont have somewhere to send it that someone is willing to pay for?

chicken

egg

egg

chicken [/b][/quote]
HP - I have a ton of respect for you

If you have the traffic (provided it's not chinese hit bot) you can find somewhere to sell it and profit

HP - I have a ton of respect for you

If you have the traffic (provided it's not chinese hit bot) you can find somewhere to sell it and profit [/b][/quote]
Exactly, but that SOMEWHERE has to have CONTENT of some form whether it be pictures, movies, news, information, hardgoods or whatever.


However, based on the question of which game is easiest to play, moving traffic or publishing content.... I will say that it is possible to gain traffic without content and make a good living. It is NOT however possible to publish content and make a good living without traffic.

We have lots of examples of people in this industry who have made small fortunes who can barely spell HTML, while we have lots of others who have brilliant design skills, shoot beautiful content, etc, but have never managed to make it big.

But it is still very symbiotic... Look around the industry at who has the big bucks. It's the paysite owners. Those who are good enough at publishing content to be able to BUY as much traffic at they can get their hands on and be assured their content is good enough to make that traffic profitable for them.

I think in the end it all comes down to each person should stick to what they are good at and what they enjoy. People who are designers at heart art typically very meticulous and do not do well with building traffic to bulk levels on their own.....they can never let go of quality and concentrate on quantity. They are better served to just buy traffic. On the other hand, the typical traffic hound says fuck the details, and just grabs as much traffic as he can anyway he can and figures he'll make up for any shortcomings on volume. These guys aren't gonna have the patience to deal with pouring over stats and analyzing paysite tours and tweaking them.

That was cold man....

:(

He could always buy a book and learn how to spell it...

I think we saw a VOD for Dummies last week in Borders.

:pearl:

BUZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nickdark was the first to say "supply and demand" LOL [/b][/quote]
supply = content
demand = traffic

I've never seen anyone succeed with the attitude 'its about supply' or 'its about demand'.