I am going to print some of these PD posts and when I can't sleep at night I'll read some of them :zzz:

What makes us different is that our courts ordered the Pentagon to release the papers mentioned in the article. What makes us different is that we have groups like the ACLU which fight for those papers. What makes us different is that we are reading an article on the abuse written by a US reporter.

Now, I think we should comply with the Geneva Conventions.

Something interesting. One of the Abu Ghraib prison detainees who claims to have been beaten, stripped naked, , forced to pile on top of other prisoners, forced to straddle each other detainees backs naked and to simulate oral sex said he "would not refuse an offer to move to America."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...MNGUL6FVGK1.DTL

I keep telling people. What those iraqis were put through in the prison, people in the US pay up to $500 an hour to be treated like that!!

LOL :yowsa:

terrorists should be treated different than any other criminal... since there is no other criminal like a terrorist.

First you gotta prove they are terrorists. I would say that is the whole point. Did I miss something here? What happened to the concept of innocent until proven guilty? Or does this not apply to America? You borrowed a perfectly functional legal system, why fuck with it?
This shit is just asking for trouble. And you wonder why the world dislikes Americans at the moment. If you want to be more secure, then start bacting more civilised and mature as a country. Otherwise....well we don't even want to go there, do we.

This is some funny shit

TERRORIST TEST

QUESTION 1: What is your name?

Non-terrorists have names like Larry, John, or SpongeBob. If the person answers with "Mohammed" or the nickname "The Engineer," he's probably a terrorist.


QUESTION 2: Fill in the blank: I want to ____ Americans.

Terrorists will not be able to help themselves from completing the sentence with the word "kill". Non-terrorist foreigners will fill the blank in with "thank", "hug", or "kneel down before".


QUESTION 3: Fill in the blank: The ones to blame are the ____.

Non-terrorists will probably become confused by this question and leave it blank since they would need to know more information about the problem before being able to assign blame. Terrorists will instinctively fill in the blank with "JEWS!!!" or "jooooos!".


QUESTION 4: What is your opinion about the Crusades?

Most non-terrorist Americans’ knowledge about the Crusades will come exclusively from the beginning of the movie Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves (or Robin Hood: Men in Tights), so one should be wary of any answer that doesn't mention Kevin Costner. Even if the person does know something about the Crusades, he or she will probably not have much of an opinion about it as it seems as relevant to modern life as the battle between Thag and Zork in 30,000 B.C. over who got to next paint a buffalo on the cave wall. Only dirty terrorists care about the Crusades.


MULTIPLE CHOICE SECTION

The terrorist answer to all of these is D.

QUESTION 5:
Islam means ____.
A. peace.
B. submission.
C. That you are a "lam."
D. kill the Jews!!!

QUESTION 6:
Children should be
A. seen and not heard
B. cherished
C. given Ritalin
D. blown up

QUESTION 7:
If you got a new puppy, what would you name him?
A. Rover
B. Fluffy
C. GK Chesterton
D. Infidel... and then hang him

QUESTION 8:
The sun sets every night because of
A. the earth rotating
B. the earth revolving around the sun
C. the sun revolving around the earth
D. a Zionist conspiracy

QUESTION 9:
My parents want me
A. to be happy
B. to make something of myself
C. to get a job
D. to blow myself up in a crowded area

QUESTION 10:
At the end of the Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, I immediately thought
A. "What a great movie!"
B. "It could have been more faithful to the book."
C. "I need to pee."
D. "Kill the Jews!"

Asking for what trouble? Are you going to start telling us about all the terrible terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11? How the worst is yet to come... even though it's quite clear that terrorism is losing everywhere on the planet? How terrorism have never been more alive than now in spite of the obvious fact that terrorist groups are under immeasurable pressure today compared to 10 years ago? Did you just join the "I Hate The USA Cult Of The RawAlex"?

I have spent most of the last 10 years out of the country. I know why the rest of the world doesn't like the US better than most Europeans AND Americans. I have seen more countries and more of the world in the last 5 years than you will see in your entire pathetic life.

Why do you think anyone cares if you visit the US or not? Who are you? The ambassador of Sweden? The President of the EU? You are just one more google quoting shit talker on a message board that does not matter to anyone, anywhere on the planet... welcome to the club.

colin that was some funny shit : )

jr, carefull bro, I think there's laws against mentally abusing the mentally challenged

: ))

Asking for what trouble? Are you going to start telling us about all the terrible terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11? How the worst is yet to come... even though it's quite clear that terrorism is losing everywhere on the planet? How terrorism have never been more alive than now in spite of the obvious fact that terrorist groups are under immeasurable pressure today compared to 10 years ago? Did you just join the "I Hate The USA Cult Of The RawAlex"?

I have spent most of the last 10 years out of the country. I know why the rest of the world doesn't like the US better than most Europeans AND Americans. I have seen more countries and more of the world in the last 5 years than you will see in your entire pathetic life.

Why do you think anyone cares if you visit the US or not? Who are you? The ambassador of Sweden? The President of the EU? You are just one more google quoting shit talker on a message board that does not matter to anyone, anywhere on the planet... welcome to the club. [/b][/quote]
Ya know JR, I wish you were right. But I don't think so.
"I have seen more countries and more of the world in the last 5 years than you will see in your entire pathetic life. "
Firstly I don't have a pathetic life. And secondly, I doubt that very much. You see, kid. I have and do travel. Contrary to what people around here believe, I filled two passports in 6 years. One had two accordians added which total 32 pages. Now if you have accomplished that, then I might fold my tent. Somehow I doubt it.
Now be a good boy and rethink your last post.
I probably have met more "terrorists" than you have read about. So now, tell me about your knowledge and insight into how the world works. No wait. You have been listening to that master of google and fox news, Mike AI. :bwave:

hahaha. boots.

i think we need a bigger boat.

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hahaha. boots.

i think we need a bigger boat.

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LOL. Great try kid. Its a bitch huh?
Tack it up, tack it up.....well you probably know the rest.....

i am going to start calling you Napoleon Dynamite.

"I was hunting wolverines in alaska this summer! what do you think i was doing!?!?"

i am going to start calling you Napoleon Dynamite.

"I was hunting wolverines in alaska this summer! what do you think i was doing!?!?" [/b][/quote]
I was thinking the same thing about you kid. You have lived out of the country for ten years. Hmmmmm. OK....where? So I assume by your response that you haven't actually been around a lot however. Big insults. Little knowledge it seems.


And the silence spoke volumes. Say good night Napoleo....oops...J...I've been everywhere man.....R. :bwave:

i care about that kind of issue, but until now i 'm really confused whose really the enemy.

Ask JR. He is the expert. He has been to Europe or somewhere and knows all about it. He seems to have inside knowledge.

Wow, what a thread.

Terrorists don't play by the rules, so I think we can bend them a little.

LOL PornoDoggy.

You're fucking cracking me up dude.

Colin - totally fucking hilarious man. ROTFLMAO!

no :salute:

OK, PP, your next in the cracker barrel.

rhymer, when was the last time you hugged a terrorist? Maybe we should send you to the middle east, so you can tell them to enjoy life instead of the after life?

On second thought... the mere sight of a messed up socialist might only encourage the terrorists to blow up the whole world :unsure:

Sorry you are too late. I have been there and talked to a few already. BTW, just because someone opposes a stupid war or holding folks for years without trial does not make them a socialist (not that there is anything wrong with socialists). I would hope even the odd fascist would support that....probably not. Not from what I read here anyway. Take a number and wait in line. The freeking cracker barrel is gonna get crowded.

Sure you can be against the war, but I have not heard a single rational argument to why the war is not worth it. The endless rhetoric, which tries to turn every small event into a world crisis is idiotic. There are 25 million iraqis who have gotten rid of their tyrant, and will have their first election in less than 2 months... and the only thing the "anti iraq war" crowd can talk about is how a few islamic nutcases are treated - the same nutcases who would probably cut your throat to the tones of quran reading - yelling from their top of their lungs "God is great, God is great, God is great".

Yes, I feel sorry for the iraqis, and the problems behind and ahead of them, but I have no feelings for those islamic fundamentalist exploding bombs at iraqi marketplaces, police stations etc. killing men, women and children in the hopes of creating chaos.

Saddam is not coming back, terrorists are bad people, and the US is not going anywhere until the last sandy oil titty have been sucked dry... learn to live with it, and break free fom the endless rhetoric.

Sure you can be against the war, but I have not heard a single rational argument to why the war is not worth it. The endless rhetoric, which tries to turn every small event into a world crisis is idiotic. There are 25 million iraqis who have gotten rid of their tyrant, and will have their first election in less than 2 months... and the only thing the "anti iraq war" crowd can talk about is how a few islamic nutcases are treated - the same nutcases who would probably cut your throat to the tones of quran reading - yelling from their top of their lungs "God is great, God is great, God is great".

Yes, I feel sorry for the iraqis, and the problems behind and ahead of them, but I have no feelings for those islamic fundamentalist exploding bombs at iraqi marketplaces, police stations etc. killing men, women and children in the hopes of creating chaos.

Saddam is not coming back, terrorists are bad people, and the US is not going anywhere until the last sandy oil titty have been sucked dry... learn to live with it, and break free fom the endless rhetoric. [/b][/quote]
"but I have not heard a single rational argument as to why the war is not worth it."

First off. There was not terrorists in Iraq. No links to Al Quaeda. Secondly. The terrorists came from Saudia. Thirdly, what right does the United States have to spread their idea of freedom wherever they feel like it. Especially by invading a soverign nation. There are tons of countries in Africa that actually need invading to sort them out and save lives. There was never any wmd found. Sadaam never used WMD. Don't go on about the Kurds. That was tactical battlefield stuff. One MOAB can kill just as many people. WMD is NBC stuff.
So having said that, why does the US feel they have the right to invade at will. Because they can? Bad logic. It just gets you kicked in the ass like 911. We all want the world to be a safer place, but this is totally the wrong way to go about it.

Anyone who resorts to calling someone a socialist because they oppose the war in Iraq is on really shakey fucking ground criticizing anyone's rhetoric.

The fact that an Iraqi has been put into detention does not mean he is a terrorist.
How many thousands of people has the U.S. released with no further action after detaining them for months - and in the case of Gitmo, years? Do you think they are doing that because they are nice guys, because they are soft on terrorists - or because they can't prove anything even under the less-strict requirements of military tribunals?

Nobody with any sense is arguing that the military needs to act like the cops, get warrants, have probable cause, yada-yada-yada, in order to detain someone. This is a combat operation, after all. Deciding to detain really is a "grab em all and let God (or higher authority) sort them out."

I am saying is that the United States has long had standards for treatment of detainees. My reasons for not wanting those standards weakened has everything to do with tactics and long-term goals, and has nothing whatsoever to do with sympathy for terrorists or concern for innocent Iraqis.

It has a everything to do with the poor dumb son-of-a-bitches* on the ground in Iraq - OUR poor dumb son-of-a-bitches. Remember them? They are the ones who are going to have to face these guys for the next couple years, since the Iraqi faux Army certainly won't be able to do it. There is enough fuel on the fire (and weapons left laying about for the taking on account of fighting with a piss-poor but politically expedient battle plan) already - no point in adding more.

(* Timon, before you get your panties in a knot and throw a hissy-fit, I'm paraphrasing that noted American leftist, General George Patton).

This is what I´m talking about ... endless rhetoric. No WMD, No Al Qaeda, Imperialisme Bad etc. - It doesn´t matter... facts are that Saddam is gone (no need to fear WMD anymore), terrorists showed up at the battle ground (there are plenty of Al Qaeda links now), there will be elections (democracy and freedom have arrived).

So whatever reason you might have had to be against the war before - they have been outdated. The goals have changed to fit the new situation - its called to be adaptable, the basic thing you need to survive (if you belive in Darwin). Endless rhetoric is not survival - its what the fundamentalist islamists are doing, and they are losing.

25 million iraqis are getting ready to become part of the world community again, and in the west we keep debating the iraq war like it could be undone, when in the real world there is only ONE way and thats forward - that is what we should be debating. How we get iraq back on its feet, how we secure that those 25 million people will prosper. Forget the reason(s) to why we invaded Iraq - start thinking what we can do when we are there!

Ofcourse there are other ways, but you need to debate those ways instead of trying to blame. You can not make other people see your visions, if you never talk about them....

I would like to offer an apology to all who are socialist here at Oprano - when I said "a mere sight of a messed up socialist", then I did not mean that all socialists are messed up. I deeply regret the hurt this situation has caused the socialist community, and will visit a socialist country soon, so I can help with the socialist tax burden :)

as long as their is 100% surity, no reasonable doubt whatsover, that it IS a terrorist. None of this interigation bullshit. I mean absolute certainty, in writing, that the abused person in question is a terrorist, and has Killed in the name of terror. I would not have a problem with a more extreme punishment. They are not citizens of this country, and are not afforded the rights of a citizen. However, if the person in question has gained citizenship, then he should be treated with all the civil liberties of a convicted felon, and should receive an appropriate sentance for his crime.


Eye for an Eye is bullshit. America is better than that.

I keep telling people. What those iraqis were put through in the prison, people in the US pay up to $500 an hour to be treated like that!! [/b][/quote]
It is still abuse, by definition. an incarcerated person whos civil rights were violated by a person of authority.

American prisons have been shut down for less.


Its a thin line. The ACLU has a good case, but they are missing the point. It happened in a foreign country, by soldiers of another nation. This is a matter for the military and the UN, not the American civil justice system.

Ah ... a funny. :blink:

I don't give a fuck if you offend socialists ... don't care for them much myself.

However, assuming that someone who opposes the war - or the way the war is being conducted - is automatically a socialist is no different assuming that everyone who supports the war is a neofacist tool of the imperialist war machine.

Ask JR. He is the expert. He has been to Europe or somewhere and knows all about it. He seems to have inside knowledge. [/b][/quote]
Дурака учить - что мёртвого лечить.

Of course your can belive and say that - you have the right to a different opinion as long as you use the tools provided by democracy - including freedom of speech and thought... democracy is the right to disagree :)

Дурака учить - что мёртвого лечить. [/b][/quote]
Does that translate to?

"fuck off you suitcase pimp"

?

Not only do I not care about abuse of terrorists, I’m not sure I care much about any private citizens who goes to Iraq to drive trucks or press their religious beliefs in the guise of "relief", fucking vultures. In my obtuse and degenerate mind, there is no "hazard pay" or ideology that could stand up to the oppty of getting your head liberated from your body.

Back to the terrorists...I think we should dress them as powerpuff girls and teletubbies, etc and make them compete in games and tests of skill. Sample trivia question, "Which shitty little pipeline significant country did the US just walk into and take over?"

Give em 30 seconds, if they don't answer, answer incorrectly or impolitely, they get their testicals shocked...simple, good, wholesome American fun. :salute:

Does that translate to?

"fuck off you suitcase pimp"

? [/b][/quote]
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