and how exactly was hitler a threat to the US? not "US interests", but real american citizens? *

in fact, how were any of the examples i gave a threat to americans? and mind you, i left out totally lame made-up examples like fidel castro and nicaragua and who knows what else?

and now we have a never-ending war on terror that the president himself says is unlikely to be won, but that doesn't stop him from extorting hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars a year to go out and wage it.

keeping the citizenry scared is just a tool for cash extraction and power enhancement.


* and sure, hitler was a bad guy and a lot of people died, but that didn't seem to be a problem when stalin was murdering millions, or mao, or pol pot, or north korea, or any of those other places that innocents died. didn't see the US busting ass to save them.

so the US has a selective process about what threats are threats, and what threats aren't. the US did, however, think that they were threats enough to extract more billions from the citizenry to donate to the military industrial complex. [/b][/quote]
Sorry, I mistook your usual "the US government is evil and in a 100 year long free fall " tirade for a general statement about humanity. Should have known better. It's all about those evil Yanks.

As far as Hitler, come on. Hitler declared war on the US. We didn't pick which side we'd fight on. Countries that declare war on you = threat.

"Military industrial complex"? You need some new books.

Interesting site I came across a while back.

http://www.thewahhabimyth.com/

according to census polls, 2 million more jobless since 2000;)

No, he's referring to liberals and other believers in foreign ideologies. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
I..E... anyone who isnt 100% pro bush, you know, those unamerican people;)

true, but the republican platform has been well discussed. nothing new going to happen here, just a bunch of glad handing, and maybe a handjob between bill oreilly and shawn hannity;)

Ron silver is the king of cinemax movies. every cinemax or hbo original movie has ron silver in it. hes the poor mans andy garcia:)

this is the best part so far, from ESPN's page 2



http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...e=keown/040831

This is way off-topic, if that's at all possible, but answer this: How can a guy who gets paid to give his opinion on political and social issues admit on national television, while he's being paid to give those opinions and while he's sitting at the Republican convention, that he hasn't seen "Fahrenheit 9/11"?



And by the way: It doesn't matter what you might think of the movie, but it seems like required viewing for folks in that business, wouldn't you agree, Mike Barnicle?

thats about as dumb as it gets, you gotta know the questions are going to be asked, so see the movie, that way you dont look like a deer in headlights when the questions are asked.

what little of the interviews ive seen, ive gotten the impression that the GOP is a bit confused, that the aura surrounding this convention was a little more than they had predicted. They need to adjust.

on the bill maher show he announced he would be there, like 2 months ago. he has a media pass, and all required documents to enter.

Yes, he is Sunni - my mistake - thanks for the link :-)

Grimm its nice to see you going back to your liberal roots.....



All of my hard work, down the drain....


:lol:

I´m sure we will see anti bush movie #2, if Bush wins the election... the republicans gave him some great footage - lots of places where he can cut things out of context, and mix it all together with his own spin.

glad to see you are stll a knee jerk conservative. I have not made one liberal statement, im right square in the middle. a swing vote, an undecided, a citizen faced with voting for Kerry or have four more years of what i consider a shifty, lying administration. I am your average american. I don;t like bush, but i won't go to far to the left to get rid of him. If only we could impeach:)

I´m sure we will see anti bush movie #2, if Bush wins the election... the republicans gave him some great footage - lots of places where he can cut things out of context, and mix it all together with his own spin. [/b][/quote]
Think of all the unused golf course footage "w" spends so much time on a golf course you'd think he was looking for Nicole Brown Simpsons killer with OJ;)

glad to see you are stll a knee jerk conservative. I have not made one liberal statement, im right square in the middle. a swing vote, an undecided, a citizen faced with voting for Kerry or have four more years of what i consider a shifty, lying administration. I am your average american. I don;t like bush, but i won't go to far to the left to get rid of him. If only we could impeach:) [/b][/quote]
Grimm you are far from average.

Embrace your liberalness..... I find it amusing that Liberals hate to be called Liberals.

I am a Libertarian by nature, but I am comfortable being called a Conservative. The whole concept of Conservativism is anti-knee jerk... we leave that for all the willy-nilly liberals.

Come one Grimm. I will help you....

repeat....

I am a liberal,
and gosh darnit that is ok!

You will feel better about yourself....

Grimm you are far from average.

Embrace your liberalness..... I find it amusing that Liberals hate to be called Liberals.

I am a Libertarian by nature, but I am comfortable being called a Conservative. The whole concept of Conservativism is anti-knee jerk... we leave that for all the willy-nilly liberals.

Come one Grimm. I will help you....

repeat....

I am a liberal,
and gosh darnit that is ok!

You will feel better about yourself.... [/b][/quote]
I vote for the man, not the party.

and i have no problem being called liberal or conservative as long as its defnition serves the best interest of my nation.

i am a liberal, i am a conservative, i am a libertarian, i am a citizen, i am an American

:)

and im from Ohio. a conservative state. not surehow i got labeled ANYTHING... oh wait. i think that President Bush has proven he is not fit for office. that must be it.

If you run down the issues, i think you will find i lean towards a conservative realm of thinking. outside of moderated gun control, and being pro choice, I am against big government social programs not set up in the way the WPA projects were set up after the Depression. I disagree with handouts in general, however i am for prescription drug benefits for the indigent and elderly. I am for less defense spending, but not in the terms of less units on the ground, but in the terms of a more efficient military. I am against deficit spending, yet at the same time have no problem paying highe taxes than the majority of the upper middle class in order to balance the budget. I think that government programs to regulate the sale and use of drugs are a waste of time and effort. I feel this should be fought on foreign fronts. I am against sending 2 million jobs to other countries. I think a dollar earned on american soil is worth 10 earned on foreign soil. I belive globalization has moved from the economic markets to military defense. But then again i also beleive if we are to ever win the war on terror, we need to reel in the stone age nations that present the biggest threat.


So what does that make me, Mr Labeler, can you fit all that under one word?:)


feel free to ask me any questions. Just none about how i feel about paying more taxes in 2006, because that is the least of our worries, fromm where we are sitting now



:barfon: :inlove:

I vote for the man, not the party.

and i have no problem being called liberal or conservative as long as its defnition serves the best interest of my nation.

i am a liberal, i am a conservative, i am a libertarian, i am a citizen, i am an American

:) [/b][/quote]


Grimm you are not going to be running for office....

You can fess up, there are plenty of liberals here at Oprano.

You are in good company.

let me also note, i am against the DH, for the halo rule, and against the infield fly rule (hell it would make things interesting)

Grimm you are not going to be running for office....

You can fess up, there are plenty of liberals here at Oprano.

You are in good company. [/b][/quote]
if thats the label you want to push me under, then so be it, doesnt bug me at all.

You are kidding me, right? Have you been channeling William Howard Taft and Henry A. Wallace or something?

:okthumb: I'm buying a frame for this post and putting it in my office. [/b][/quote]
Make sure you get a used one. ;-)

I just about spilled my coffee reading that.

The "War on Drugs" has been pre-empted by the "War on Terror"... we now
return you to whatever 'reality' show you've been watching...

:yowsa: :yowsa: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :yowsa: :blink: :unsure:

hahahaahaha anti-knee jerk! You kill me with your jokes


spaz :matey:

coming soon "The War on Porn" and I hope conservative pornographers are the first to get the midnight knock on the door.

Gotta love Bush, that self-made rugged conservative man...

I keep waiting for Osama to be ejected out of a big cake like baby new year;)