The reality is, if the federal gov't does not step in, or some major companies start sueing ( microsoft) it may become a neccessity to create andd distribute scumware just to stay in busniess.

DirectNIC gets at least a dozen e-mail a day dealing with scumware, people are getting redirected all the time.

It is going to be a major issue. I think it is much more invasive then spam and pop-ups ever were.[/b][/quote]
I agree Mike , and I see you have already interjected your own caveat

in case YOU have/decide too ;-))))))

gov't or megacorps taking action?

We both know they will take action , BUT by the time they do the cream will have been scooped. Again history shows us this.

Looks like govt has taken notice....Wiseman was right....

http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-22_11-523...0.html?tag=e019

What about a class action civil suit? I am sure many people are harmed business wise by these actions.....

Nick, notice how few of the webmasters on this board (or any other) *actually* do business with you?

You only get applauded because you are amusing, not for your business ideas.

Jayman of Netpond said this last week...

...the perfect adult webmaster would have

1. The charm of Nick
2. The tounge of Serge
3. The business sense and integrity of Mike AI

4. and a wife like MikeAI. :-)

Alex

Just to keep it going ...

5. FM's money
6. RB's looks
7. Shemp's traffic
8. Nick's "lists"

:D

You too can be a cockholster and have your own toolbar.

http://www.webtoolbars.com/signup.asp

They even have an affiliate program......... :blink:

:wnw:

That aint a toolbar, that's a glorified floater....

http://www.awrats.com/weaselsignal.jpg[/b][/quote]
"I go to sleep each night to the sound of my screams...I wake up each morning to the sound of my screams...."


is that from "House of Leaves"?

:wnw:[/b][/quote]
LOL:)

Integrity of MikeAI i can vouch for!

I am unable to comment on serge's toungue:)

And charm is one quality i can acknowledge with nick, could charm the painkillers off of a burn victim;)

Don't be fooled, shes a rental, the wedding was staged;)


seriously though, Mike landing happily married with such a great girl boggles the mind. the rumors must be true!:) LOL

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Grimm I am getting into NO this thursday for the weekend. Lets get together for dinner and drinks!!

Mike is a little too hairy for me. I'd rather have a wife like Colin.

<--- chopped liver?

9. (tie) MikeFold's and Bangwang's friendliness (must be a worn out asshole thing)

Nopers....

It's from South Park :yowsa:

awww shucks. LOL

But you are no slouch yoursellf.

I believe that you wrote back to my lawyers concerning an offer I made you once , which obviously you considered too low, the following.

"Tell Nick to fuck off"

charming , succinct and to the point ;-)))

9. (tie) MikeFold's and Bangwang's friendliness (must be a worn out asshole thing)[/b][/quote]
I thought you were going to say mustaches

:D

I thought you were going to say mustaches

:D[/b][/quote]
Depends...

OMG Grimmster!!!!

On the topic, I dont see how this is any different than anything else that's come before...

and look where that got us

Depends...[/b][/quote]
Do I dare ask ....

... what size

No clue... would give Bang the shirt off my back but damned if going to change his drawers... lol

and look where that got us[/b][/quote]
I'll ask some of your old bosses about it ;)

At the end of the day, the cats out of the bag. As with most things, once the fools at the bottom of the food chain start doing something, the money's all gone out of it.

Look at spam. I know how many people bought processor lists and everything else to start spamming once the word got out about how much you could make and times started getting tight in other revenue areas.

Look at crazy cross sells. Once you give them to everyone, it's all over. I don't mean decent ones that a surfer might actually enjoy, I mean people selling shit that comes with a 5%+ chargeback rate.

Look at tgps, mgps, circle jerks, blind links, pop ups, popunders, exit consoles and anything else that ever made money to the first few people who were doing it big and doing it right.

Spyware's been around for at least 3+ years that I know of, and when it was just a few people experimenting with it, it wasn't all that bad. Now that everyone and their brother is doing it, I figure that a good 30% of the traffic out there is being diverted to other places, and the battle is between the people writing the programs, to try and keep theirs the dominant one.

Toss a few fools into the mix that have no clue what they are doing and you end up with a total clusterfuck and boxes that don't work, governments stepping in and a bunch of frustrated surfers. The reality of it is that if Microsoft themselves do not step up the pace against all the crap out there, they will lose market share to other companies at a rate that will become alarming when it picks up speed.

As a legitimate business person today, I'd be looking at DRM for my content and keeping an eye on my processing. The first one is what, imo, might actually create a situation where people can make money again. The second one is of course the Achilles heel in any enterprise and with all the crap going on right now with investigations here, banks pulling out there and the like, it's going to get better before it gets worse.

Of course every product I deal with these days is either a DRM or a processing related situation, and my best consulting customers are the ones who are looking at the future from this angle...

...anything for a buck eh?
Look at it this way... when a surfer wont click on ANYTHING that smells like adult for fear of spam, double charges, and scumware.....what you going to process then?

I can hardly wait to see who the first "clever" person to figure out a way to abuse the shit out of DRM is, rape himself a fortune from it and render the technology unviable for the long term.

I think Epassport does DRM styled transactions!

I'll ask some of your old bosses about it ;)
[/b][/quote]
that should be easy, I hear you have kept in touch with them all - a lot more than I have :okthumb:

some of us learn from our mistakes, some of us reminisc about what came before and keep trying to replicate it ...

While your employers are making money currently from processing for spyware traffic, and you are defending this technology at every possible opportunity, it will be the little clients who pay for it when epoch falls on their ass from the problems it causes. Shit on the little guys so you can have that 30% of traffic.

Its good that you are all working together though, makes it easier for the ftc to see what you are up to :okthumb:

Of all the people who should have learned caution, you publicly support programs manipulating a users computer to be almost unusable for the programs financial gain ... who exactly is going to surf your DRMed content you are working so hard with your clients to provide if 30%+ of computers don't work properly?

like you said, a few fools come along and ruin a potentially good business model. hooper & the current generation of spyware makers are the fools. this is what we've been saying all along ...

that should be easy, I hear you have kept in touch with them all - a lot more than I have :okthumb:

some of us learn from our mistakes, some of us reminisc about what came before and keep trying to replicate it ...

While your employers are making money currently from processing for spyware traffic, and you are defending this technology at every possible opportunity, it will be the little clients who pay for it when epoch falls on their ass from the problems it causes. Shit on the little guys so you can have that 30% of traffic.

Its good that you are all working together though, makes it easier for the ftc to see what you are up to :okthumb:

Of all the people who should have learned caution, you publicly support programs manipulating a users computer to be almost unusable for the programs financial gain ... who exactly is going to surf your DRMed content you are working so hard with your clients to provide if 30%+ of computers don't work properly?

like you said, a few fools come along and ruin a potentially good business model. hooper & the current generation of spyware makers are the fools. this is what we've been saying all along ...[/b][/quote]


:wnw: :wnw:

CJ Speaks with the passion of the converted!!

:wnw: :wnw: :wnw:

Keep telling it baby!!!

:wnw: :wnw: :wnw:

I see lawsuits in the near future. Once the sharks smell
some blood - this could become the next tabacco suit!

funny how this industry is driven by scams and not by offering value to users like any normal business person should be striving to do.

i hate spam, spammers, except the ones who I hang out with, know (of) or the ones who send me traffic and that goes doubly for the scumware folk.

:inlove: :salute:

<--- chopped liver?[/b][/quote]
more like catfood;)


you can have an appetizer if you wash and park our cars during the main course;)


Mike... Saturday night is set.

that should be easy, I hear you have kept in touch with them all - a lot more than I have :okthumb:

some of us learn from our mistakes, some of us reminisc about what came before and keep trying to replicate it ...

While your employers are making money currently from processing for spyware traffic, and you are defending this technology at every possible opportunity, it will be the little clients who pay for it when epoch falls on their ass from the problems it causes. Shit on the little guys so you can have that 30% of traffic.

Its good that you are all working together though, makes it easier for the ftc to see what you are up to :okthumb:

Of all the people who should have learned caution, you publicly support programs manipulating a users computer to be almost unusable for the programs financial gain ... who exactly is going to surf your DRMed content you are working so hard with your clients to provide if 30%+ of computers don't work properly?

like you said, a few fools come along and ruin a potentially good business model. hooper & the current generation of spyware makers are the fools. this is what we've been saying all along ...[/b][/quote]
cj Posted: Jun 20 2004, 04:38 PM



NO, you can NOT marry me





Really?:) That's ok, marriage wasn't in the cards, but there are a lot of cards;)

Im as smooth as sandpaper, have the charm of a railroad tie...thats the best i can come up with i guess;)


My mother taught me "if you don;t have anything nice to say. don't say anything at all"


fortunately i figured out how to be nice in four letter words;)

more like catfood;)


you can have an appetizer if you wash and park our cars during the main course;)


Mike... Saturday night is set.[/b][/quote]


Cool - we need to work on the details!

Hooper isn't the only one doing spyware. Alot of what he does is just as bad as other peoples practice. Quite a few mailers hit 10 year olds with Tranny spam every day.


But when you wan't to send traffic to these types, remember, they are looking to fuck people hard, so if you are a webmaster, think about if you'd really be on the un-fucked list.

And I don't like hooper one bit, just saying, his scumware is on a long list of surfer fucking tactics. He worships the same god as all of us, the almighty dollar.